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Scott01
13-01-06, 13:00
Well, where do i start?

I once played a trial for nc1 a long time ago, really great game, entertaining, and very addictive. Anyway at the time i didnt get past the trial period because i was a bit young to be playing a game with a monthly fee which required payment via the net. A year or so later i got into starwars galaxies, and then after the trial i begged and reasoned with mum until finally she agreed to let me pay via dads amx (american express card), so i got stuck into star wars for a while (until i became too obsessed and mum stopped me from playing for a while, as i was starting to get my priorities a little mixed up with school and all) then when i was able to come back to star wars at the end of the year (for the holidays) it turned out that starwars was screwed over with an attempted game re-vamp, so i went looking for some mmorpg's to substitute for star wars, and then when i came back to neocron, 2.0, and 2.1 had been developed and released: awesome, a new mmorpg thats been stable for a long time, wont get screwed up like starwars etc etc. so i was really intent on starting up on NC2 but....
It seems that the trial requires a credit card, even though its free :rolleyes: yea i know you guys have your reasons or whatever, but I also have my reasons, seeing that several others, or actually quite alot of people seem to be having some really ugly problems with the new payment system - which at the moment is the only thing stopping me (and probably thousands of others) from subscribing, especially with the stories of other peoples unfortunate mis-haps with Click2Play - What i wanted to know was:

Are the rumors of a new payment managing site/system true? is Reakktor looking for someone else to take care of the payments? and if so, could we get an estimate of when we may expect a new payment method? (I'll be back when click2pay have left ;) )

I do hope that Reakktor understand what kind of dirty stain click2play is leaving on neocron - I for one dont, and will not, trust them - and sure as hell aren't going to be giving them mums credit card to play with.
She even said she'd be happy to let me subscribe using one of her less important cards with a lower max debit limit, but it seems click2play only like fool around with peoples important and expensive cards. (Visa/MasterCard) :rolleyes:

Brammers
13-01-06, 13:28
1. It's been said many times, that NC is not alone in requiring you to have a credit card to play the free trial, otherwise everyone would be playing the trial accounts all the time!

2. If you don't like Click2Pay, try PayByCash.

3. As for the new payment system, read what you like into the planfile (http://ng.neocron.com/index.php?id=108).


In sense of product framework there will be a major change in the sector of payment services. But we will give you more details on this later.

That could mean they are changing the way you pay, who collects the money, or it could even mean you get your own personal Drom to collect your cash to play. Bottom line, that quote doesn't tell you anything useful.

Nidhogg
13-01-06, 13:32
It's true that we are reviewing our entire payment structure with an eye to improving it. I'm sure you can appreciate that these aren't changes we can make overnight so I'm afraid I can't offer any further information other than to confirm that we are looking to improve the current situation. Holger will make an announcement when that time arrives.

N

Preach
13-01-06, 13:40
Click2Pay are gonna get so wtf pwned... and about time too... i suggest barrels in their call centre, moonies headin at the head office and carb, dirus and Holger doing the mexican dance from the Three Amigos right in the middle, whilst naked of course

Scott01
13-01-06, 13:54
1. It's been said many times, that NC is not alone in requiring you to have a credit card to play the free trial, otherwise everyone would be playing the trial accounts all the time!

2. If you don't like Click2Pay, try PayByCash.

3. As for the new payment system, read what you like into the planfile (http://ng.neocron.com/index.php?id=108).

That could mean they are changing the way you pay, who collects the money, or it could even mean you get your own personal Drom to collect your cash to play. Bottom line, that quote doesn't tell you anything useful.


Yes I do understand and I agree as to why Reakktor want a credit card even for the trial, and I am really busting to play NC but i really dont want to give out credit card details to a group such as Click2Play, so i will wait until a new system is organised and then I will re-attempt a trial :( .

As for pay-by-cash, I live in Australia, and to be constantly sending money via mail, and the extra fee, and to have to pay for a trial aswell - Im not sure this is going to work for me :( especially as i was planning on trialling NC to make sure it was still the way i remember it :p

And im glad Reakktor is concidering changing payment systems, much more than sony online entertainment ever did for star wars which was ruined because of their poor relation with their customers and the constant negative feedback. >>>Thumbs up for Reakktor ;)

xyl_az
13-01-06, 14:04
just an info: Paybycash offers also their services to creditcard owners via paynova payment service (some kind of e-wallet, you upload cash from your credit card to e-wallet and then pay to PBC)

Scott01
13-01-06, 14:29
So i might be able to use American Express to pay "paynova" via the net, who then pay "paybycash" for me, who then pay Reakktor?

"Me>>PayNova>>PayByCash>>Reakktor"??? :eek:

xyl_az
13-01-06, 15:07
dunno what kind of card is the american express card, but as far as i know paynova accepts most credit cards so it shouldnt be a problem (i'm using visa), i think. Just log into the launcher and select paybycash as the payment options - they will guide you what kind of payment is available.
So technically its more like you>>paybycash(through launcher)>>paynova>>paybycash>>KK

Well, to be honest i'm actually having problems but hopefully its just some technical issue (some web error i think, waiting for support answer). Look at the player guides and answers forum to see my case.

Scott01
13-01-06, 15:20
So if i do this though it means theres no handling of cash/cheque mailing right? or do i still have to put money in the mail and send it to PBC?

xyl_az
13-01-06, 15:26
So if i do this though it means theres no handling of cash/cheque mailing right? or do i still have to put money in the mail and send it to PBC?

nope, you just send your cash right from your account to paynova e-wallet and PBC will take the needed amount from them every month. You are the only one who can send funds (with your c-card via paynova site) to your e-wallet and you decide how much etc. PBC just check if the needed amount is there and transfer the fee.

Scott01
13-01-06, 15:33
Awesome, sounds like a good plan, but this still means i have to pay the extra fee for using PBC and I dont get the free trial period, correct? O_o

xyl_az
13-01-06, 15:34
Awesome, sounds like a good plan, but this still means i have to pay the extra fee for using PBC and I dont get the free trial period, correct? O_o

i'm afraid yes...

Nidhogg
13-01-06, 15:36
You can use American Express to transfer funds to Paynova.

N

Scott01
13-01-06, 16:04
Ok so i startup Neocron launcher just to check prices for PBC, and i get to PBC in payment method and it says: (where i have (e) its euros, i dont have the symbol on my keyboard O_o)

14.99(e) setup = $25aud
9.99(e) monthly = $17aud

Then when i get to PBC's options theres a dozen or so options, so I try paymate (Thats the one, yes? or is it one of these other options?), and then it quotes a price for me which says:

Paymate amount due: $35.12 US Dollars
PayByCash price: 28.29 Euros
Product: Neocron 2 License Fee
Subscription: 1 month payment
Account Name: Scott01

And so i used a currency calculator and it turned $35.12USD into $47aud and 28.29 Euros into $46, is that $47 for going with paymate or is that $47+$46=$93 for 1 month :eek: like wtf? Did i set something up incorrectly? (I failed @ teh internet, ohnoes :( ?)
I mean, i was pushing it to be paying $23aud a month (amount i used to pay monthly for SWG), but c'mon $47/$93aud is a bit steep.

xyl_az
13-01-06, 18:58
its paynova, not paymate

RusSki
13-01-06, 20:40
Did u try using ur conversion calc to turn 35 us dollars into... wait for it..... 28 euros.

Its gonna cost u just under 46 aussie dollars to begin with (this is for the one time only payment of the game licence and 1 month play time)
After that its gonna cost u 16 aussie dollars per month to play.

Hope that helps... now get ya moms credit card and get in game.

Scott01
14-01-06, 01:43
ahh i was thinking that may have been the problem, so NC2 license is basically buying an imaginary boxed version via the net, setup costs mean your paying for the game, not the subscription correct?

And also, it might be because im in australia or something but it doesnt have an option for paynova :confused: Or do i just setup an account for cash by mail and then afterwards go to nova and setup a credit card manually?

http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/5941/paymentmethod5kq.jpg

RusSki
14-01-06, 12:38
Yup its like buying a boxed copy that includes one months play time to begin with.

Having checked out some of the payment options you have and knowing that your gonna pay via credit card i think these options are the among the best:

http://www.paymate.com/au
http://www.neteller.com/ab/

They both provide realtime creditcard transactions thus meaning you can pay for your account right away.

Best regards.

Scott01
14-01-06, 13:13
Paymate say they only accept Visa, MasterCard & "Bankcard". :( Sorry to be picky but the reason i couldnt use C2P was because mum didnt want me to pay via her visa because its her main credit card and its the most important one, and our family dont often (actually very rarely) make bank transactions over the net. However mum agreed to let me pay (with her permission) via one of her less important cards which have a lower debit limit.

Im looking into neteller now...

Edit: Neteller wont tell me which cards they accept, i tried to sign up an account to find out but they are asking for passport numbers etc. :confused:

RusSki
14-01-06, 14:13
Ok so if u cant se mastercard or visa what credit card are u planning to use?
Plz dont say amex cos... well err... its shit.
And i cant think of any other credit cards that are well known and supported.
Visa ftw

Ur gonna have to trawl thru each of the other options and check their own websites.

Scott01
14-01-06, 16:11
Its all good, Dad is going to apply for a mastercard with a small budget on it to keep as a seperate card for online purchases, then mum wont have to worry about the security of her visa :D

Only problem is that it will take up to 4 weeks to arrive, I guess i'll have to twiddle my thumbs until then :rolleyes:

Edit: Actually is there a way I can get around putting in a credit card to play the trial while i wait? Like can i enter a bogus credit card number so that i can try it out?

Nidhogg
14-01-06, 17:33
Edit: Actually is there a way I can get around putting in a credit card to play the trial while i wait? Like can i enter a bogus credit card number so that i can try it out?
Only if you want the police knocking at your door (fraud). ;) The payment system wouldn't continue if the card didn't exist in any case.

N

RusSki
14-01-06, 22:11
ya not a good idea credit card fraud is taken very seriously by the authorities.

The hassle of getting another card just to pay for a computer game is surely not worth it.
With all the online protection that the big companies offer now and the somewhat better security you are quite safe.
But lets face it, if someone really wants your details they will get them.

Silly thing is that chances are i could look thru ur trash and get personal/financial details.

xyl_az
14-01-06, 23:05
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RusSki
14-01-06, 23:11
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xyl_az
14-01-06, 23:12
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heh - that's a good one :)

Scott01
15-01-06, 14:24
Only if you want the police knocking at your door (fraud).

Oh, my bad 8| i guess i wont be trying that then...

awkward silence
15-01-06, 15:08
I use a good old bank wire. Takes 2-5 days but you can pay in advance to not let your account expire. I let my bank pay it monthly so i need to do jack =)

They've (PBC) fucked up once in the 3 years that ive played and it was a minor fuck up, which they corrected as soon as a mailed them.

KK has fucked up my accounts more than PBC has (those were sorted easily too), thus i think it's reliable.

Tratos
15-01-06, 16:21
KK has fucked up my accounts more than PBC has (those were sorted easily too), thus i think it's reliable.
KK or Click2Pay? as KK have never fucked my account up - just their providers which were minor fuck ups at that.

Nidhogg
15-01-06, 16:26
There's a certain point you cannot go beyond. Any more libellous statements will be dealt with harshly. If you want to discuss this then PM me.

N

El Jimben
15-01-06, 20:24
It's true that we are reviewing our entire payment structure with an eye to improving it.
N

Lol, it could hardly be any worse than the P.O.S they're using currently.

Scott01
11-02-06, 14:16
Finally the credit card arrives, I sign up, log in, create a character... and the game hasnt changed in 2 years... Few shops been swapped around, less players but the game is outdated very badly. Rather dissappointing :( The game has an awesome idea/concept, but the lack of players and the older style game engine really does weigh the game down.

nellus
11-02-06, 16:01
Its true we dont have masses of players but you will find that the populations vary quite drastically throughout the 24 hour period.

I often play for 24-36 hour stints when i come home from work for the weekend (yer its sad i have no life :) ) and the ammount of people about and chatter on the com is so different.

The busiest times tend to be early evening CET time which would be what early morning for you so try then see whos around but dont give up on us just yet.

Have fun

See you ingame

Nidhogg
11-02-06, 16:02
Finally the credit card arrives, I sign up, log in, create a character... and the game hasnt changed in 2 years... Few shops been swapped around, less players but the game is outdated very badly. Rather dissappointing :( The game has an awesome idea/concept, but the lack of players and the older style game engine really does weigh the game down.
The only changes you've detected in two years are some shops moved around and less people? You sure you're playing our game? Did you have your eyes open the whole time? :p

N

nellus
11-02-06, 16:04
Hes still waking up its early over there

Spermy
11-02-06, 16:32
Finally the credit card arrives, I sign up, log in, create a character... and the game hasnt changed in 2 years... Few shops been swapped around, less players but the game is outdated very badly. Rather dissappointing :( The game has an awesome idea/concept, but the lack of players and the older style game engine really does weigh the game down.

Pfft - it does some amazing things for something based around the genesis (?) engine.

Richard Slade
11-02-06, 20:07
Tbh I play this game due to the idea, not the build..
Funny but that's the way it is..

Zones suck (totally)
The graphics (New NC2 models that is) suck
The bugs are everywhere
The balance is somewhere lost on Irata III

But damn I love this game and will do anything to keep it alive...

Let's just hope that the payment system lvoes me..
What is the most likely to work option as it is?

Spermy
11-02-06, 21:51
Tbh I play this game due to the idea, not the build..
Funny but that's the way it is..

Zones suck (totally)
The graphics (New NC2 models that is) suck
The bugs are everywhere
The balance is somewhere lost on Irata III

But damn I love this game and will do anything to keep it alive...

Let's just hope that the payment system lvoes me..
What is the most likely to work option as it is?

SPLASHPLASTIC!

As a sidenote - I was lucky enough to have a chat with a KK know-what. Since that chat, i've a new attitude towards NC. Given what they had to work with, and teh results they achieved, the outcome is fucking amazing.

I now understand why they cant just stick a new engine under the hood, also.

Actually, I understand quite a lot now. Hence the non-bitching of late :p

Richard Slade
12-02-06, 14:04
SPLASHPLASTIC!

As a sidenote - I was lucky enough to have a chat with a KK know-what. Since that chat, i've a new attitude towards NC. Given what they had to work with, and teh results they achieved, the outcome is fucking amazing.

I now understand why they cant just stick a new engine under the hood, also.

Actually, I understand quite a lot now. Hence the non-bitching of late :p
Ya, those guys tend to destroy everything you've stood for ...
Hence my actual tries to make constructive posts..Not that I'm good at it,
but nowadays I try atleast..
They should start blogging tbh ;)

Spermy
12-02-06, 14:34
Ya, those guys tend to destroy everything you've stood for ...
Hence my actual tries to make constructive posts..Not that I'm good at it,
but nowadays I try atleast..
They should start blogging tbh ;)

I can still whine dammit! but now it's mostly at the community :p

BlackDove
12-02-06, 16:10
Rumors of new payment system?

...are greatly exaggerated :p

Scott01
13-02-06, 06:32
mmm well i played it again later in the day when there was actually people on, i managed to get out of the boring sewers and into the Aggressor cellars... Much more fun teaming with ppl :lol: I wish this game had the community that it used to though :( i miss having the plaza 1 sector swarming with ppl

Apocalypsox
13-02-06, 08:31
the thing i miss most about NC i think is the genrep in the plaza 2 mall type thing, by the restauraunt. was good for newby chars and capped alike.

ANYWAYS so says GMs ive talked to we might get paypal in 2.2 but that was a while ago. i just hope us U.S people get a good payment system so we can play again :(

Zephar123
02-03-06, 17:58
the thing i miss most about NC i think is the genrep in the plaza 2 mall type thing, by the restauraunt. was good for newby chars and capped alike.

ANYWAYS so says GMs ive talked to we might get paypal in 2.2 but that was a while ago. i just hope us U.S people get a good payment system so we can play again :(

from what ive been told the big hangout spot now is techhaven

RentonDraines
05-03-06, 17:56
Seriously Niddy, you need to go to the accounting meeting and just yell "GET A FRIGGIN VISA/MC VENDOR ACCOUNT ALREADY!!! WTF" and then turn and walk away.

I own a small business. We pay $0.20 per transaction to accept credit cards. Would it really kill KK to simply get an SSL page set up and just use a credit card vendor? Of course, those of us who don't want to use one could use pay-by-cash or whatever, but come on. If ever porn site on the net can accept credit cards, why can't Reakktor?

It just seems like there's some mysterious common-sense-stealing-demon lurking in KK's offices. Too much Cron 55?

Brammers
05-03-06, 18:23
Seriously Niddy, you need to go to the accounting meeting and just yell "GET A FRIGGIN VISA/MC VENDOR ACCOUNT ALREADY!!! WTF" and then turn and walk away.

I own a small business. We pay $0.20 per transaction to accept credit cards. Would it really kill KK to simply get an SSL page set up and just use a credit card vendor? Of course, those of us who don't want to use one could use pay-by-cash or whatever, but come on. If ever porn site on the net can accept credit cards, why can't Reakktor?

It just seems like there's some mysterious common-sense-stealing-demon lurking in KK's offices. Too much Cron 55?

You really don't have a clue here.

I'm sure someone has shouted at the accounts manager. Sure it may cost $0.20 per transaction.

What you dont mention is how long it takes to setup a properly approved payment system. It takes longer if you have to interface it with your own system.

Sure you could get one in 5 minutes for your porn site, granted, but would anyone use it? I certainly wouldn't. Getting a SSL page for any server is easy, but keeping a server secure is a big job in itself, which does require security expertises.

Then there is the coding to collect payment. Last time I did some coding to accept online payments using using worldpay, it had to be first tested internally, then the site has to be tested and approved by by worldpay, who don't let stuff go through that easilly. The coding, testing and approval cycle took me the best part of 2-3 months.

RentonDraines
05-03-06, 18:57
erm, how long has neocron been live? What's 2-3 man-hour months to ensure that your present and future customers have a working, reliable payment structure? I guarantee that many man-hours have been spent in troubleshooting and customer support for Crap2Pay, oh and let's not forget, THEY were supposed to be a better replacement! "OMFG THEY MIGHT HAVE TO DO WORK" doesn't really answer anything.

What other mmo games use a GAMBLING PAYMENT SITE to collect their monthly fees? How many companies simply accept payment on their own site?

Try this. Do a search for "online payment services." I just did and i got 226 MILLION hits. Of those, KK chose Click2Pay, and I think that speaks for itself.

Brammers
05-03-06, 19:04
Try this. Do a search for "online payment services." I just did and i got 226 MILLION hits. Of those, KK chose Click2Pay, and I think that speaks for itself.

Out of those 226 million hits, how many of those hits are relevent?

Paper Dragon
05-03-06, 19:12
What other mmo games use a GAMBLING PAYMENT SITE to collect their monthly fees? How many companies simply accept payment on their own site?

How many posters with a vendetta pay attention to what Reakktor are in order to improve the situation?

Not many, apparently.

dangermaus
06-03-06, 18:35
How many posters with a vendetta pay attention to what Reakktor are in order to improve the situation?


what does that even mean?

Paper Dragon
06-03-06, 19:06
what does that even mean?

It means that in all their complaining and whining for Reakktor to listen and do something, they have a frightening lack of awareness themselves.

;)

"Do something Reakktor!"

"Do something Reakktor!"

"Do something Reakktor!"

"Do something Reakktor!"

"Do something Reakktor!"

"We are!"

"Do something Reakktor!"

"Do something Reakktor!"

"Do something Reakktor!"

"WE ARE."

"Do something Reakktor!"

"Do something Reakktor!"

"Do something Reakktor!"

So on and so forth. Several times Reakktor have said they're working on things - and they're getting close to finalising the contracts - but you still get people warbling on as if KK haven't said anything at all.

Nidhogg
06-03-06, 19:22
Actions speak louder than words so we don't mind "are we there yet" messages until we're actually there. ;)

N

Paper Dragon
06-03-06, 19:28
Actions speak louder than words so we don't mind "are we there yet" messages until we're actually there. ;)

N

It''s the "omfg, KK aren't doing anything" folks that drive me up the wall. :p

It isn't "are we there yet?" it's more "why haven't you started the car?" despite the bloody thing moving along the M25.

RentonDraines
07-03-06, 08:32
[EDIT: "we're talking about a new payment idea" for 3 months, doesn't a solution make.]

omfg.

niddy, i feel for you more than you know. Nothing I've ever said was directed at you.

PD, do you give them money so that you can work for them? how does that work?

Neocron is not a new game.
Neocron is not some "indy title" that's going to win the sundance film festival and get saved.
Neocron isn't Gandhi, and isn't going to make us all repent our capitalistic ways.

What Neocron is, is a great idea turned into an average game with a sub-par financial structure. Reakktor may be working out a new payment plan, but this will be the 3rd time around, and why should anyone shut up and be happy about what they're doing? After 5 years, wouldn't it make sense for Reakktor to pay attention to the customers and their opinions on how they want to spend their money? When was the last time Reakktor did anything so well that everyone went "wow Reakktor is on the ball! Sorry I doubted them?" I'll save you the trouble of forsaking your gods and tell you: NEVER.

Basically, people (let me be specific: those of us who know Reakktor from experience) don't take Reakktor's word for it because we uhm,..... know from experience.

Let's be specific.
Payment options. OK. Reakktor can't, for whatever reason, handle taking money themselves. Well, Heaven forbid they take the route of 1000's of other companies and hire a known, respectable payment company and be done with it. That wouldn't be indy enough? What's wrong with Paypal for example? (wait, PD before you go off on your anti-paypal rant, lick the reakktor squizz off your lips and realize it was just an EXAMPLE.)

The internet isn't new anymore. Online payments aren't some scary new technology anymore. Reakktor, there is a big world outside of Deuchland. Get over yourselves, and grow up.

Again, nidhogg: Nothing you've ever said has made me cringe. I can't say the same about PD.

Paper Dragon
07-03-06, 15:23
The payment choice wasn't Reakktor's decision, sweety.

/pat

;)

madleet
07-03-06, 21:39
i am also looking forward to NC2 having a new payment scheme rather then the old one tat ppls compliains got alot of issue with it
that why its puts me off to play NC2
i was in t he trial of NC before and i love it but NC is kinda err not as friendly in the user interface that why

anyidea NC2 will have a new interface?
since its kinda revamped with 2.1?

imper1um
08-03-06, 02:41
When Click2Pay leaves, were all going down to their office to Rez kill their asses for them being asses. ;-)