View Full Version : What is kk doing with our money? (kk answer this !!!)
what is kk doing with our money , trowing parties?
cus u wouldn't think its put in the game if u c the state of some servers today.
cmon guys do something about all the things we hate in the game and bring the good things up again. and something must be done about the city / doy balance really.
i still think that some stuff that was in nc1 where cool and dint had to change, like the op hacking procedure just no hacknet in it u know i c alot of ppl on opfight cursing that they dont have a 4th hacker wth?
and what is it with the defence at the city and at doy?
lol t the city : maybe 20 stormbots in the surrounding zones,
at doy XD maybe 100 doybots in the few zones surrounding the gates. cmon why seem all the gms to be pro doy?
even the new players aren't gona like it after a while u know. and now that WOW is liked so much it dosnt take much for someone to go there, cant keep up with the leaving count, but u guys are lucky that there are the new noobs entering the game.
and all the promisses damn, when is anything of that gona be implemented in the game????
anyway there are still some good thinks to eas the pain the bad things cause.
but i ask again kk try to listen to the ppl. make the players fill in some kind of "big neocron poll"
and can finally someone of the dev's, gm's or other nc creator dudes post some kind of reply in this tread.
Asurmen Spec Op
24-10-05, 20:59
what is kk doing with our money , trowing parties?
cus u wouldn't think its put in the game if u c the state of some servers today.
cmon guys do something about all the things we hate in the game and bring the good things up again. and something must be done about the city / doy balance really.
i still think that some stuff that was in nc1 where cool and dint had to change, like the op hacking procedure just no hacknet in it u know i c alot of ppl on opfight cursing that they dont have a 4th hacker wth?
and what is it with the defence at the city and at doy?
lol t the city : maybe 20 stormbots in the surrounding zones,
at doy XD maybe 100 doybots in the few zones surrounding the gates. cmon why seem all the gms to be pro doy?
even the new players aren't gona like it after a while u know. and now that WOW is liked so much it dosnt take much for someone to go there, cant keep up with the leaving count, but u guys are lucky that there are the new noobs entering the game.
and all the promisses damn, when is anything of that gona be implemented in the game????
anyway there are still some good thinks to eas the pain the bad things cause.
but i ask again kk try to listen to the ppl. make the players fill in some kind of "big neocron poll"
and can finally someone of the dev's, gm's or other nc creator dudes post some kind of reply in this tread.
Do you know how much it costs to upkeep the things!?
honestly, WTF!?
Servers ARENT cheap.
Upkeep ISNT cheap.
dude do u like the state the game is in now?
then they shouldn't make promisses like the ones we all saw some time ago
Asurmen Spec Op
24-10-05, 21:02
dude do u like the state the game is in now?
then they shouldn't make promisses like the ones we all saw some time ago
No, I dont, but I know its not cheap.
Hm, let me see.
You want them to tell what they are doing.
But if it fails and they ditch it you whine..
Reaaaalllyyy
I cant blame them for not talking alot, they try things, they fail, they give up.
You guys hold onto it like a penis at a porn convention
then they should tell what they are trying
instead of trying to stop "exloding"(other word for the forbidden word *)
Asurmen Spec Op
24-10-05, 21:05
They do........
Hmm... lets see.
Today: October 24, 2005
Planfile #4 from 31 August, 2005 states:
"We are aiming to complete this process within the next 2-3 months."
Now count with me....
September:- One
October:- Two!
TWO!
Could KK by any small strech of the imagination be actualy doing what they have infact told us and keep proving with new screenshots and renders of Neocron 2.1 every couple of weeks instead of frequent patches?
You can call me a cock come Mid-December if 2.1 isnt here and alot of people will say we've given enough chances but wait untill deadlines arnt met before we roll out the KK hate wagon.
:rolleyes:
yea my account runs till december might be the last reactivation
so ur point is to have KK make a 'big poll' ??
and now who do you think makes those big, stupid polls ?
the same guys that are working on trying to make NC better.
now if u pulled ur head outta us ass and quit flaming KK with stuff thats already been told in xxx other posts, maybe u could breath in a lil oxygen and make ur brain cells work.
understand they have a lot of ppl working on this game, prolly as much as the whole neptune pop.
now thats a lot of ppl that WORKS and GET PAID.
KK doesnt need to answer ur post, they should actually close this thread,
ITS DEAD.
lol ur the one flaming here in just posing facts
Heavyporker
24-10-05, 23:27
Don't even get me started, Snake_be.
What you're posting aren't facts. They're ill-formed and blithering opinions.
Be real clear on the difference between fact and opinion, THEN you can start up an argument that isn't on the lower end of half-assed.
Neocron is one of the cheapest online games going, I think its like Ģ7 a month and eve-online is Ģ10 a month so yeah they don't exactly rob us :rolleyes:
/edit I'm enjoying neocron more than I ever did, I don't really know why but I think its because the trade channel is once again filled with chatter and plaza 1 can have over 10 in it at peak times. Then theres at least 2 people DMing me instantly when I go to sell a 4 slot spell wow that makes it feel so much better when I'm building stuff for people
vashtyphoon78
25-10-05, 00:06
Don't even get me started, Snake_be.
What you're posting aren't facts. They're ill-formed and blithering opinions.
Be real clear on the difference between fact and opinion, THEN you can start up an argument that isn't on the lower end of half-assed.
amen. snake needs to learn what he is saying.
Asurmen Spec Op
25-10-05, 00:19
Wow, i havent been butt loved by the anti KK bandwagon just yet..
Im suprised
what is kk doing with our money , trowing parties?
cus u wouldn't think its put in the game if u c the state of some servers today.
cmon guys do something about all the things we hate in the game and bring the good things up again. and something must be done about the city / doy balance really.
i still think that some stuff that was in nc1 where cool and dint had to change, like the op hacking procedure just no hacknet in it u know i c alot of ppl on opfight cursing that they dont have a 4th hacker wth?
and what is it with the defence at the city and at doy?
lol t the city : maybe 20 stormbots in the surrounding zones,
at doy XD maybe 100 doybots in the few zones surrounding the gates. cmon why seem all the gms to be pro doy?
even the new players aren't gona like it after a while u know. and now that WOW is liked so much it dosnt take much for someone to go there, cant keep up with the leaving count, but u guys are lucky that there are the new noobs entering the game.
and all the promisses damn, when is anything of that gona be implemented in the game????
anyway there are still some good thinks to eas the pain the bad things cause.
but i ask again kk try to listen to the ppl. make the players fill in some kind of "big neocron poll"
and can finally someone of the dev's, gm's or other nc creator dudes post some kind of reply in this tread.
Firstly they hardly ever reply and I put that down too being very busy, secondly your post is so messed up no one wants to read it, I'm not the best speller and my grammer sucks but care to take a look at how I vented my anger at how this game is and how I think it should be.
http://forum.neocron.com/showthread.php?t=129094
I wrote what I don't like and clearly stated how I think it could be made better and people are free to post there thoughts, your thread looks like RAWR RAWR THIS RAWR RAWR THAT I HATE YOU KK YOU SUCK..
emm with the populations atm their prob opperating at a loss...
Wow, i havent been butt loved by the anti KK bandwagon just yet..
Im suprised
Same here, im worried.
emm with the populations atm their prob opperating at a loss... i think there's quite a large amount of people who have accounts but don't play very much
emm with the populations atm their prob opperating at a loss...
You really think a company would operate at a loss ?
Some posts on this forums are not even funny :rolleyes:
You can call me a cock come Mid-December if 2.1 isnt here and alot of people will say we've given enough chances but wait untill deadlines arnt met before we roll out the KK hate wagon.
:rolleyes:
You wanna do it now get the inevitable out of the way then ? :lol:
You really think a company would operate at a loss ?
hmm... lets see... callash & arbiter are gone...
so i wouldnt say that they would operate at a loss ;)
hmm... lets see... callash & arbiter are gone...
so i wouldnt say that they would operate at a loss ;)
Callash has been replaced iirc.
heh I play this game because I like it, if people don't like it and no longer play they should just leave imo, I know of the whole cancel account thing but not telling anyone you quit. Imo the mods should now start checking into peoples accounts to see if there active when ever some one makes a flame or kk hate post. Most of us paying active account people don't want to read the constant bashing when ever a thread such as this is posted in the effort to help pinpoint the problems. You just got to look at the other websites out there to see how many people are prepared to try and bash this game into the ground cos they no longer play. :rolleyes:
Asurmen Spec Op
25-10-05, 03:17
I agree LT.
Nuff said
Yeah I agree too, if you don't play any more, whats the point in ruining it for other people.
I'm still here... and I can sure as hell tell you, if I didnīt think it was worth playing, I wouldnīt have been paying for 3 years..
But I do think itīs worth playing, and itīs the only game that Iīve had to pay for, that I have actually bothered playing for more than a couple of months.
Sure there are times you get a thought, why the fuck am I playing this game? Iīve done everything a million times... and I am pretty sure a lot of other people think that way..
And you know what??
Not 1 person that has ever played neocron has tried everything.
There is always some little thing that you never noticed before, that you will suddenly run into and think.. whoa... this must be new.. only to find out itīs been there since the very beginning.
These days, even though there is practically constant war and sometimes a little more hate between people than is supposed to be, then itīs no worse than that we can actually say :
-People have gotten the decent amount of self-respect not to ninjahack ops.
-Wars are actually hectic, even though itīs sometimes overmonked, but still enjoyable.
-You can sometimes even get resurrected by the opposing clan after a great war, and say Great fight.
Of course there are lots of things that can still be better, and there always will be... But I donīt think you will ever find a game with as much potential as neocron has, and certainly not a more addicting game.
Some people will disagree with me, but in my eyes weīve come a very long way from the start of neocron 1 till now, and itīs been a couple of years, so we should have... But the only perspective that neocron 1 was better than neocron 2 in, is from a selfish point of view, of wanting to be the super overpowered hybrid immortal god killer machine...
Some will say itīs still here... but itīs all about tactics, some more lame than others.
And as previous people have said, donīt rant about stuff that isnīt overdue yet...
And if you feel so mistreated, and really think this game isnīt worth playing, then ask yourself. "Why am I playing it?", if you honestly canīt find of a good reason, then why continue?
Iīm playing this game, because in my eyes itīs one of the most fulfilling games I have ever seen. Itīs not perfect, itīs not flawless, but it gives me what I want. So why argue with it.
Asurmen Spec Op
25-10-05, 09:44
I agree, NO game has kept me as long as NC, NC is coming up on 2years if I remeber correctly.
My clostest was EQ 4 years, for 4 months
Ive never quit NC, I have been forced by click2pay to take a 6month break though
dude do u like the state the game is in now?
then they shouldn't make promisses like the ones we all saw some time ago
No the state of the game is not great, but you are paying for the state of the game ..... as it is now .... If your paying for promises then your paying for nothing .... You know what you got
then they should tell what they are trying
instead of trying to stop "exloding"(other word for the forbidden word *)
Exploit is not a forbidden word, instead when you say exploit, it normaly follows with a working example, so discussing of these exploits are forbidden ... saying Batqueen, PE and safe zone in the same post or thread is enough for any PE to go to batqueen and check what other PE's are doing, then emulate that (I hope ther eis not Batqueen, PE safe zone exloit else I am in shit).....
lol ur the one flaming here in just posing facts
Facts ....
A team of about 15 to 20 people (Developers, artists and marketing) at a least maret rate if not a little more as you want to keep quality
Euros (I take a gues of about 50k euros pa each = 50 000 * 15 = 750k euros.)
Rent for these 15 people say 5 000 euros a month = 60K
Bills (Water, elec, gas, council related) 1K a month = 12K
SDR for servers ... a very wild guess here but say 20k a month = 250k a year
Main site rental = 50k a month = 600K
Hardware maint costs , say about 5k a month = 60K
Network pipe (This is a wild figure too but its probably about 5k a month) 60K
Tea and coffee for the office, stationary .... plus tons of other consumables I dont mention.... plus computers for developing on, and so forth ....
Anual costs is about 1.5 - 2million euros a year .... to cover these costs on a 12 euro a month ave you need
1.8 million / 12 (euros a month) / 12 months = 12500 active subscriptions ....
Work it the other way .....
Servers pop say 800 active accounts on terra and german server, + another 300 accross the otehr servers
= 800 +800 + 300 * (12 euros a month * 12 months ) = 280K a year ....
Hmmm not a lot of cash .... so common sense seems to indicate thaqt KK is not do all that well .... mebbe only 10 - 12 people working there then ......
A few comments: Neocron is a niche game run by a small company who's only product is Neocron. Salaries cost money. Servers (lots of servers) cost money. Gigabit ethernet backbones cost money.
Please don't flame people for asking questions. Let's try and have a nice balance of positive and negative - not too much to give me ulcers, but just enough to keep us on our toes.
It's probably best just to assume that the word exploit and absolutely anything related to it is a forbidden word. Just keep away from that whole topic on the forums or you risk a 2-day temp ban.
N
Scanner Darkly
25-10-05, 11:52
You really think a company would operate at a loss ?
Some posts on this forums are not even funny :rolleyes:
Plenty of companies "in the real world" operate at a loss in the short term, many lose millions in a year, but with the right amount of forward planning this can be overcome and the company can get back in the black.
However, I don't think this is the case with Reakktor. I think at best they would continue for a short time at a small loss. If you think they're rolling in cash with the current level of subscriptions, then they would have all retired onto their super yachts off their private Carribean paradise after the first year of NC, when there were 4x (or insert your own figure here) as many people as we're likely to see now.
My guess is, since KK have such low ambitions in terms of scale and marketability of their product, (they seem content with the "niche market" status of their game) they have factored low subscription volume into their cost analysis and could operate with just a few hundred subscribers and pay the bills.
Having a rudamentary knowledge of economics leads to some horrible prose style it seems.
I think reakktor sits in a group and as I commented in another thread a loss making subsidiary is not necessarily a bad thing. Losses can often be used to the advantage of the group.
In fact we are assuming KK is loss making tbh, maybe its not, maybe it is but its not the only condition one would assess in looking at KK as a going concern.
Lets just hope it's not in trouble! as i love this game!!! :D
We're not making a loss. If we were we wouldn't be here. Period.
N
/edit - that's not to say that we're raking it in either.
Sorry fir flaming euh... whoever it was..
I just tought that post deserved to be closed, even not exist.
And yes i agree, non paying customers shouldnt be allowed to post after a certain time period. (3months)
sure its all good on the anti side they own all the ops and they have alts in the city. and the doy side is better formed then the city, the city is one big mess no one goes out to take and hold an op properly. if the city could be a little more organized it would be much better i dont say the city havn't been improving but there is still a long way to go.
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i am not saying i dont like the game or something i like it but the bad things aren't nice. this game is a game that really has averything i like first prerson shooter, role playing, cool apocalyptic world, enoughstuff to do in the world of nc. and all that thanks to the dev and the rest of the kk crew.
sure nc cant be an utopia but it seems lately that everything is going downhill.
i liked the balance between pro and anti much better in nc1
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u know as good as i do that if all the ppl who didnt like the way the game is going quit the game that the population would go down like a brick, but these ppl like the consept of the game and some of them are still hoping for beter times and thats where the quiters hooked off.
they stopped believing.
i know, i made the switch from 4 anti chars to 4 pro chars 2 months ago, joined the biggest clan i could and we trying about everydays.
but me, man, i dont care much about ops, ops are just an excuse to fight this or that clan.
of course itd be nice for us (Trauma ) to have one so antis could come and fight us, but seems all anti care about is owning the map.
i admit we took some ops when enemy had close to none online but we didnt ninja the whole map, we aint into that.i guess making a come up is hard.
all im into personally is fighting. weve been trying to establish ourselves to krupp and a couple others, but all we get is major 2rhinos zerg+alliance when we take an op at 4vs3.
seriously, if u guys rather make allypkrs and come to plaza2 to fight trauma instead of leaving us at least one op to come and fight us...
we tried at least once a week for the last month to estabish ourselves but it wont happen, we get all the cheap shots done on us.
i guess what im trying to say is : we dont want the map guys, we wanna op fight.
ok were not v good at keeping em atm (we lack pure HN guys, we have none)
im not trying to blame ya guys tho (antis) im still cool with a lot of antis.
im just saying if antis wanna fight pro then they should let em establish at certain ops.
I giggled when i read these thread, I honestly did. Firstly Nid neocron and KK are not operating in a niche market though this can be interpreted on how you perceive the gaming market, as a post apoclyptic cyberpunk multiplayer online (the game doesn't really deserve the term massive I've known backwater HL mods with better peak user counts See natural selection for reference) game with fps and rpg elements, then yes thats niche cus ur looking at it in the most specific catergory of all but rarely are markets considered in such specifics. so take a step up the specifics ladders, two catergory's emerge FPS/RPG hybrid and Post Apocyliptic Cyber Punk, in the former of these Neocron is far from a niche game, in the later, Neocron is at the moment in the luxary of a niche BUT WON'T BE FOR LONG there are a number of FPS/RPG in neocrons type of setting on the horizon with far more money behind them, But still the market is still not often considered this specifically the main catergory under which the market neocron is in is MMO(RPG/FPS) which is one of the rapidly expanding catergories and by far is no niche market anymore. Maybe when neocron was first conceived the MMO arena was still taking its baby steps and wasn't exactly dominated by big corps like it now is. To even consider the neocron is not competing with games such as WoW, SWG, EO, EQ is ridiculous. The last vestage of uniqueness with neocron is the post apocylptic cyberpunk setting, and within a year we'll have two games with better engines and more money behind them on the scene. If neocron's market stragery is based around the idea that its operating in a niche market. Then it may be time to throw it away and start anew.
So I ask everyone, If in a year one of the games that operates in neocron cyberpunk setting has a better engine, where tradeskills aren't just seen as work horses and are valued skills where its gritty and tough, and isn't a leveling treadmill and is similarly priced to neocron, would you stay around neocron or would you leave. Be honest.
Thanks for the blast from the past. I'm sure I read that post from you a year ago yet here we still are, and more interestingly, here you still are.
N
NexusPlexus
25-10-05, 19:06
Thanks for the blast from the past. I'm sure I read that post from you a year ago yet here we still are, and more interestingly, here you still are.
N
A year ago server pops were at 250 (Saturn pre screw up) people, and forums were bussing ......
Now server range from 6% (PVP) to 16% (Terra) .... Althou german server got a few more (but then they always did)....
250 to 160 in a year thats like 35% drop in people ..... hmmmm .....
Seems we are not all here then ....
Forums are dead as hell .... Nid likes this, he dont have to work as hard .... [ edited - don't push it ]
Hell i posted something about 3 months ago and its probably on page 3 of the forums still .....
none the less NC here for what its worth right now ... I just playing on previously paid time, no future subs comming tfrom my pocket ...
Omg Face of Mankind will steal all of NCs population....:rolleyes:
We're not making a loss. If we were we wouldn't be here. Period.
N
/edit - that's not to say that we're raking it in either.
My guess is, since KK have such low ambitions in terms of scale and marketability of their product, (they seem content with the "niche market" status of their game) they have factored low subscription volume into their cost analysis and could operate with just a few hundred subscribers and pay the bills.
Both of you are probably correct. So my guess is that KK earns enough to pay the rent, but only because they make do with a small team. Which would explain the slow progress, with only one or two devs you cannot do much in parallel ;) .
what is kk doing with our money.
Dunno and don't care, since as of today they're not getting any of mine anymore. :cool:
Asurmen Spec Op
25-10-05, 22:45
Oh, the "Game X will take down NC" is back.
Wow, PS, FoMK
Bullshit, there are enough fans to keep NC, and honestly nid, check to see if people on here are acually playing, most the bashers havent played for months but still surf the forums
wich is worse then me
Oh, the "Game X will take down NC" is back.
Wow, PS, FoMK
Bullshit, there are enough fans to keep NC,
True other games haven't killed nc per se, however the other games are one of the reasons the pop has dwindled to what it is.
Anyways about kk. I'm not going to bitch about the shit we haven't got, but at the same time I don't have the faith in them I used to have either.
Oh, the "Game X will take down NC" is back.
Wow, PS, FoMK
Bullshit, there are enough fans to keep NC, and honestly nid, check to see if people on here are acually playing, most the bashers havent played for months but still surf the forums
wich is worse then me
Yeah I hardly know anyone who quit nc and plays WoW these days. :rolleyes:
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anyone who quits NC to play wow didn't belong here in the first place *points to LEed players*
Asurmen Spec Op
26-10-05, 00:45
Yeah I hardly know anyone who quit nc and plays WoW these days. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, guess what kiddo, NC and WoW are different, If you leave for WoW, you dont belong in NC anyways
Toilet-Duck
26-10-05, 00:46
Omg Face of Mankind will steal all of NCs population....:rolleyes:
Wow I just did a search on that looks awesome :eek: whens it due out?!
Asurmen Spec Op
26-10-05, 00:47
FoMK isnt awsome, tbh
Yeah, guess what kiddo, NC and WoW are different, If you leave for WoW, you dont belong in NC anyways
Yeah, I mean none of the people I fought with or against belonged in nc we are so much more better off without them. o_O
anyone who quits NC to play wow didn't belong here in the first place *points to LEed players*
Most of the nc1 clan we were in quit this game and went play wow.
I would have to agree with the thread starter about the imbalances/disparity between the two cities...
KK should take the time to sort out a few simple things like balance between NC/DoY, mob spawns and item availability....
Niche game?!?!
Shit, this game could be huge....
Wow I just did a search on that looks awesome :eek: whens it due out?!
Its crap tbh, was in Beta. In fact i won't play it even if they resolve all the issues there just isn't enough to keep you interested and if you think NC has a lack of content? then try FOMK :lol:
NC2 shifted the balance to DOY city to my annoyance as i'm an avid NC city supporter! They got a super army defending sectors for miles around coupled with a few of the good levelling spots and MC5.
totally unbalanced!
Most of the nc1 clan we were in quit this game and went play wow. after joining their clan in wow during my 10 days trial, i can honestly say that i don't care about them any more. They're like, "omg omg omg instance instance instance", "fuck you, that item should be mine", "it's your fault we all died in that instance!". Don't know if they were always like that or if it's playing wow that has done that to them. It's as if they're running a company, not playing a game
Snake_BE is HILARIOUS.
I love it when people try to start arguments without even a rudimentary knowledge of engrish.
Hmm, while I don't think a specific game will kill Neocron, you have to admit, these forums are very quiet, clan sizes are down, op wars are down, generally its more quiet than its ever been.
When I try to locate my old clan mates, most of them have actually gone to Eve more than WoW, because in many ways it has the same harsh, freeform atmosphere as Neocron. You will note that Eve goes from strength to strength...I just never managed to get into the 3rd person, no cockpit style of it.
Bugs Gunny
26-10-05, 14:58
Yep, all my old clanmates in blood (the ones that were in blood during the crahn days) have gone to EVE and WOW.
And they will never return.....
james_finn
26-10-05, 15:00
This is in response to the thread title, and not to the rest of the content as tbh I cant be bothered to read it :P
You pay for a service, that service is that the game you pay for is accessible i.e. the servers are online, that is all you pay for im sure it says that in the EULA, patches and updates are up to KK, you dont pay for the patches so dont bitch and moan. I for one am enjoying the state of the game at the moment, Ive only just returned and yes there are still some problems, but I think its a lot better than it was in beta! So kudos to KK for that.
Delphi
Oh, the "Game X will take down NC" is back.
Wow, PS, FoMKNot yet, not in 2005. 2006 might be more interesting:
-Fallen Earth
-Twilight War
-Tabula Rasa
All of those have at least a halfway similar scenario (SciFi/Cyberpunk), and in all cases the developing company has hinted at a more action-packed gameplay than in traditional MMORPGs.
Of course, any one of these games may be a joke like FoMK. But all three of them?
Unlikely. I think NC will get some serious competition next year.
When I try to locate my old clan mates, most of them have actually gone to Eve more than WoW, becaus
Im still here sel, bloom and beld to ;) And a lot more :angel: ( maybe 2 - 3 persons that'l be...)
I am still here too, Skusty. But dunno if i will make another break from nc soon. But i will be on forums and will wait for some new content and bug fixes, and i will surely come back again and again. Because this game have much to offer, more than many other big games, even with all these bugs and low pops.
id agree with everything above, Most of the people i know have left NC for Eve, wow and Guildwars, but the main reason they tell me they moved isnt the lack of gameplay or content, its the ease of which they are able to pay, Eve and Wow are a few simple Clicks, and guildwars is a 1 off payment until expansion packs(heck id h8 to think how much money guild wars has taken in) neway all this low server pop lack of Op BAttles and small clans could be solved by just giving the community a nice simple and easy way to pay, u know, u give em ya details and its all payed for in an instant, to be truthfull its what im hoping and waiting on with bainted breath, i live so far from my bank and click 2 pay well.. lets not go there gives me little room to manouver, maybe 1 day NC with get Paypal or payby cash's direct debit facility... lets hope.
Peace Viper 911
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Bloodstorm
28-10-05, 01:19
GuildWars are totally free, you only pay for the game it self.
My opinion about World of Warcraft is this, I simple hate it, I have no idea why, but I never liked Warcraft since it showed its face on the market, the only games I liked from Blizzard was the Diablo series and StarCraft.
Again to talk about other MMO's, most people leave Neocron as mentioned earlier, that they can't activate accounts and such, I don't see why this convesation about the evolution of the game is going to slow, are even taking place.
I see no reason to push the Devs to release an expansion that WILL improve the game alot, before the expansion is even ready, Just take a look at Starwars Galaxies, that game was a most have game once, now because of all the Patches and expansions that no one were willing to wait fore the game was rappidly decreased in the gameplay area, nothing worked, and everything sucked, and it still does, even though the Devs for Starwars Galaxies are doing everything they can to fix it, it just wont be enough, because no player will be satisfied, and this is what will happen to neocron if to many players forces to Deactivate their accounts if a damn expansion set is not released as promised. Give the Dev's the time THEY need to make the expansion, and when they come out, enjoy them and say, the waiting time wasn't that bad afterall, again... it's just a game.
Well i'm still here but have noticed a distinct downturn in the number of new runners coming to me for their weapon supplies :( And business is not down because i'm shite :lol: just less runners about tbh, same names, same people, same game ;)
mmm lets see
38 computers
numerous staff to pay
payment to share holders
upkeap of website
nids payment to the maffia to hide all the boddys of the ppl he has hammered
protection money for microsoft who sent the boys around to break some fingers
erm soz im going of topic hear aint i
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