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Belt Drop - Add first access privalage
Remove the hovercabs from the plaza sectors, the second you jump in one, noone can aim at you with a direct damage weapon.
1. remove LE
2. remove safezones
3. remove ppus
2. remove faction/city guards
3. belt drop in warzones
thats about all
Safezones are gone now
And yeah remove that stuff aswell. I'm not sure about le's though. There has tobe some tradeskillers on the server. Though there are too many le'ers running aroung atm.
Mechanicus
13-09-05, 16:28
just make it so only tradeskiller spy professions can start with an LE in
just make it so only tradeskiller spy professions can start with an LE in
FFS
it seems i want to be the one and only tradeskiller on New Neptune... :rolleyes:
in other words: if i can do it, you can do it too
/edit/ nvm... its pointless anyway, i seriously doubt KK will ever remove LE from the 'hardcore' server so i probably wont play this game again
1. remove LE
2. remove safezones
3. remove ppus
2. remove faction/city guards
3. belt drop in warzones
thats about all
Yeah that's about perfect. I dont mind the idea of having LEs for traders with 100 skill in res/const though although traders always have apartments to work from. It would be good if you could buy some kind of tradeskill apartment with the crytons vendors in it.
I didnt think there were any safezones on the server though? Thought that was fixed.
RogerRamjet
13-09-05, 17:19
Increase rare drops so no one cares about losing rares.
Dargeshaad
13-09-05, 17:37
Increase rare drops so no one cares about losing rares.
NO! Rares should be rare, if you want to use a rare you better be able to keep yourself alive or suffer the consequences...that is possible loosing that rare if you die. It's called a trade-off, you gain an edge against people not using rares, but you also has the possibibility of loosing that rare...i like it!
:edit:
Ok I just rethought it abit, and can now see it sounds a bit retarded since people can have godmode ie. PPU support and never die
just make it so only tradeskiller spy professions can start with an LE in wouldn't work. you could choose tradeskiller and then be a combat spy
Vae Victis
13-09-05, 17:40
dont remove LE's..
how the fuck can u lvl as a lowbie?
im up for the rest though, remove PPUs, remove safezones, first access privilege
first access privilege it's more fun w/o first access.
dont remove LE's..
how the fuck can u lvl as a lowbie?
ohnoes, arent we scared of the possibility that someone could actually do something to us and not the opposite?
....
RogerRamjet
13-09-05, 17:46
NO! Rares should be rare, if you want to use a rare you better be able to keep yourself alive or suffer the consequences...that is possible loosing that rare if you die. It's called a trade-off, you gain an edge against people not using rares, but you also has the possibibility of loosing that rare...i like it!
:edit:
Ok I just rethought it abit, and can now see it sounds a bit retarded since people can have godmode ie. PPU support and never die
Thing is, people wont use rares unless theyve got backup. Theres gonna be an army of Tsunami rifle wielding PEs, with noob stealth and heals that never drop, and epic chips then never drop or brake.
The guns are not called "rares" by KK. They are just guns that are made from Tech Parts. No need for them to be hard to get on the PvP server.
I think they should Do the PVP server how like Other MMORPG's do PVP servers...
Take guild wars for example, You start at lvl 20 and get a choice of armour and weapons to select...
I'm starting to get bored of neptune since it's not what i was expecting!
Why dont they do something like the old test server where you could get everything right at your finger tips...This isn't a PVP server, Just a "Belt dropping experience" server!
I want my PVP server where you can get guns easily and do non stop fighting for fun......:(
Nobby NOT happy!
Well just unsatisfied...
Dargeshaad
13-09-05, 17:56
I want my PVP server where you can get guns easily and do non stop fighting for fun......:(
A bit cliché, but why not go play CS instead then?
Vae Victis
13-09-05, 17:59
ohnoes, arent we scared of the possibility that someone could actually do something to us and not the opposite?
....I never said I had a lowbie there.
my PE is near cap on neptune.
just isnt fair to those who are /2 going up against a madman /65
I never said I had a lowbie there.
my PE is near cap on neptune.
just isnt fair to those who are /2 going up against a madman /65
well, assuming the LE would gone, i would have lvl there from scratch (at least 2 chars: tradeskiller and a combat spy) and enjoy dieing and running away from the badass lvl /65 pkers. I would have found this quite entertaining, challenging and fun at the same time.
Said it for many years and shall say it again, rare weapons should give a very small advantage over the best non-rare equivalents, so that anyone can pvp effectively, rares therefore are about prestige rather than a necessity, and people take more risks. This would fit in nicely with the pvp server, and should be applied to all servers. Dirius' weapon balance work should have done this in my opinion.
And here's two more points - if you remove the LE I would not be expecting a SINGLE post of complaint about a lack of tradeskillers on Neptune o_O And lets not get carried away with KK's workload on just the one server when there are other servers which MUST be kept evolving for the game to keep going.
well, assuming the LE would gone, i would have lvl there from scratch (at least 2 chars: tradeskiller and a combat spy) and enjoy dieing and running away from the badass lvl /65 pkers. I would have found this quite entertaining, challenging and fun at the same time.
Maybe you enjoy wasting time poking and waiting off si (like 30 sec on neptune) and running around with 10 ath and 10 agil, but other people don't.. it's just a waste of time. I seriously think you're the only one that wouldn't get frustrated...
Scanner Darkly
13-09-05, 18:50
ohnoes, arent we scared of the possibility that someone could actually do something to us and not the opposite?
....
Still here? I thought you were on your way out PERMANENTLY...
I think LEs are no problem for anyone - if you want to have lots of enemies to kill in a week or two then stop whining about that. Otherwise there will be dozens of newbies getting pked unable to level and then you'll have noone good to fight for ages.
Unless you came on Neptune to just noob gank and not actually PVP...
Don't take this as a flame, but if you can't handle fighting capped people who get to that level in their own time and set their character up for pvp before they take their LE out - you should not bother playing on Neptune...
Love,
YT
Nikabolokov
13-09-05, 19:40
Had to reply to this, it needed saying,
If you can't face life without the LE, the fear of being killled, the fear of loosing your feared weapon, then you should stay on Terra, in my opinion.
Neptune was what a LOT of old players were crying out for, and now its been reduced to a crippled hardcore server.If the LE was not on the server, or Toxen and Bugs' ideas are applied then the populations would rocket compared to now.
Asurmen Spec Op
13-09-05, 19:56
ohnoes, arent we scared of the possibility that someone could actually do something to us and not the opposite?
....
couldnt have said it better myself
Belt Drop - Add first access privalage
Rich idea. People would appreciate this change, since main purpose is probably preventing people to get your loot once you've done all the shit job.
It's a shame God's never thought about this before he places lions and hyenas in the same hunting areas.
Asurmen Spec Op
13-09-05, 20:00
Rich idea. People would appreciate this change, since main purpose is probably preventing people to get your loot once you've done all the shit job.
It's a shame God's never thought about this before he places lions and hyenas in the hunting areas.
God never had NCs buttsexoring community
Mechanicus
13-09-05, 20:03
yeah us > lions tbh
Scanner Darkly
13-09-05, 20:14
I think you're still missing the point - if this is to become a high level PVP server not a newb ganking one, LEs must stay.
It's not like they will stay for long in a runner's head, since most people will be just aiming to cap and get the damn thing out of their head.
I can see how this will annoy a lot of griefers tho...
I think you're still missing the point - if this is to become a high level PVP server not a newb ganking one, LEs must stay.
It's not like they will stay for long in a runner's head, since most people will be just aiming to cap and get the damn thing out of their head.
I can see how this will annoy a lot of griefers tho...
agreed. all the people whining about people with LE's likely lack the skill to kill anyone outside of a gank squad and/or if their victim isn't a newbie.
I think you're still missing the point - if this is to become a high level PVP server not a newb ganking one, LEs must stay.
we can argue all night long but its up to KK really...
in my opinion neptune should have been the pvp server, not the "high lvl PVP server" - we have plenty of such: terra, mars, mercury. they are all "high lvl pvp servers".
I would like real pvp server and thats why LE must go.
and u talk about griefers? just check few latest threads and you would see how all those ubar griefers and ubar pvpers are all trembling with fear at the thought that someone could gank them when they are "unprepared" (low lvl, without ppus, without 20:1 advantage etc etc). someone could ganke their tradeskillers, scammers and exploiters??? omg, thats horrible. Someone could actually do the same to them as their capped chars did to noobs? Shock horror eh?
neptune idea was a dream of a world where people would take consequences for their actions, where reputation could actually mean something, where you could roleplay with your actions instead of acting as a roleplayer...
what can u do on neptune? lvl with LE, fight in warzones and tradeskill with your LEd alt. Cant u do the same on other servers? wheres the difference?
Scanner Darkly
13-09-05, 21:04
Obviously how you and I play the game differs so lets agree to disagree and like you say leave it at that.
I like the LE there not for personal protection, but to deprive capped or higher level idiots the pleasure of killing /10 /20 /30 runners - that gives me a nice warm glow inside. Before all that frustrated rage gives you an embolism, remember that you're sitting at a computer playing a game :rolleyes:
i want no LE so i can make a clan that only ganks noob PPUs trying to level (aka ruin server)
Mechanicus
14-09-05, 01:00
im gonna reroll my droner to a ppu just to piss off the morons who think ppus are gona be removed
no one thinks they're going to be removed; but that doesnt mean they shouldnt be... all the no skill ppu whores already ruined terra..
Mechanicus
14-09-05, 01:04
thats strange, i have great fun on terra on my tank, ppu and pe
thats strange, i have great fun on terra on my tank, ppu and pe
Most of the people here don't enjoy seeing the constant red and blue OP wars.
@ Giga: Without first access it's just stupid, what's the point of killing someone just to get the belt stolen by someone standing on the sideline?
Also I think Neptune would be a great place to test ppu changes put forward by whoever. For example, my remove para and foreign sd :rolleyes:
About the le issue, maybe it should drop out at /30 and have a requirement of 100 cst/res/barter/repair or something along those lines to put back in/keep in.
Original monk
14-09-05, 08:58
@ Giga: Without first access it's just stupid, what's the point of killing someone just to get the belt stolen by someone standing on the sideline?
im always the guy at the sideline :lol: remembers me of beta: first = first :p proffesional lootingskills baby :P
nah yust kidding i dont even have my LE out :) i die more then enough by mobs allready how it is :) no armour isnt all that but good for conleveling hehe
changes ?
start with removing the tons of guards and copbots ... in doy tons of guards and tons of the jhonny5's patrolling the area should go ... its a hardcore pvp server but still youre protected by guards everywhere in the both city's :/
Mystic-Crusader
14-09-05, 09:05
changes ?
start with removing the tons of guards and copbots ... in doy tons of guards and tons of the jhonny5's patrolling the area should go ... its a hardcore pvp server but still youre protected by guards everywhere in the both city's :/
Agree 100%
start with removing the tons of guards and copbots ... in doy tons of guards and tons of the jhonny5's patrolling the area should go ... its a hardcore pvp server but still youre protected by guards everywhere in the both city's :/
Would love it if somthing like this happened.
I would like it if kk made it so if you where within 10 base rank of someone, you could attack eachother if you had an LE in.
Also i think that when you kill someone on neptune you should receive the money they payed for their backpack.
BTW eprodigy, nice postcount.
Obviously how you and I play the game differs so lets agree to disagree and like you say leave it at that.
I like the LE there not for personal protection, but to deprive capped or higher level idiots the pleasure of killing /10 /20 /30 runners - that gives me a nice warm glow inside. Before all that frustrated rage gives you an embolism, remember that you're sitting at a computer playing a game :rolleyes:
I second that
The LE needs to stay. May I remind you that not all started on Neptune at the same time, not all knows how to powerlevel, or enjoy the support some do, and in the end it must be left in the runners choice as to when to remove the LE and when not. There is no real reason for someone to go on neptune other than pvp so in the end everyone will take LEs out and things will start getting intended form. All thats needed is just some patience.
Furthermore we have all seen asshats chasing and killing nibs in there, so idiots are still in existence. What good will killing a low level nib that tries to level in MB from a capped rare using runner?
Bugs Gunny
14-09-05, 10:05
There's allready a lot of people with capped ppu plugs pking on neptune, and they feel absolutely leet... ganking people at the el farid gr with ppu support for instance....
Neptune should be ppu free. That would realy make it hardcore.
With current leveling everyone can cap off the launchers.
MC5 chips and rares could be removed for all i care.
No ppus and just the normal weapons would make the fights very interesting and last longer.
Original monk
14-09-05, 11:14
i wouldnt mind removing mc5 chips and regular rares (tough techparts hunting is fun and selling/buying em is a nice business :/ )... it wont take long that neptune gonna be flooded with mc5chips anyway cause the first day there where droners exploiting mc5 allready ... bah :(
RogerRamjet
14-09-05, 11:14
No MC5s would pwn.
roger, whos your char on neptune ?
started a pe yesterday :>
Vae Victis
14-09-05, 11:20
rogers account aint active yet, he was playing a friends PE.
he should get his acc today (same as me.. I hope).
Bugs Gunny
14-09-05, 11:27
Here's my ideal neptune:
No MC5's
No PPU's. (removal of blessed ppu spells and higher)
No Parashock.
No guards. Just guards in hq's.
Beltdrop in all zones.
Techhaven is a safezone.
Techhaven gets a neofrag.
No rare weapons, but instead the highest level of all normal weapons can ALSO be built from techs to artifact stats. (would make for less specialised and some interesting setups)
Drugflash removed
Antidrugs get a 3 use stack.
With all these changes removal of stealth for pes should also be done.
All this would make ion blaster using droners pwn people though, so maybe give droners a reticle?
Apu-hybrid would be the way to go, so they might need some loving with the no hl use.
No resurection... You die, tough, suck it up and get poked.
Original monk
14-09-05, 11:34
dronerexploiters in mc5 cause a serieus threath to neptune economy ... not to say balance is fucked up allready:
PEOPLE IF YOU WONNA HAVE A HEADSTART THEN YUST START A DRONER AND GO DRONE IN MC5 WITH YOURE AOEDRONES, SAFESPOTS ENOUGH FOR YOURE DRONE AND YOU CAN YUST BUY YOURE DRONES IN THE STORE (NOT LIKE THEY GONNA EXPLODE BUT HEY, YOU CANT BE SURE ENOUGH)
this is happening allready now by alot of others so chances are small you gonna get busted wich makes it a very lucrative exploit, woops did i say exploit i meant leveling up ! yah leveling up !
with some luck the other half of the server will be starting to exploit MC5 also with there drones and mc5 will be shut down till KK finds a solution to this form of exploiting wich is going on for so long now ... why should you bother capping a apu or tank and ppu to go hunt in there ... while a /45 droner with an le in can solo that cave ... why should you bother hunting techparts for hours while a single nibLEdroner can farm mc5 with a ratio of 1 part every 5-10 minutes wich pays not 1 not 2 but 10 times more then a regular tech ...
everyone knows about this exploit .. KK says droners are not allowed in there but still i bet its the only class that hunts in mc5 ... why go true all the trouble of hunting there for days when you can buy youre parts cheap of a droner ?
Bugs Gunny
14-09-05, 11:43
Well, if they closed mc5, which is a boring place anyway and just put the mc5 chips as an fsm item that can only be bought with 100fsm at a cost of 2-5 mil per chip it would solve the whole mc5 problem and lower the "need" for ppus in the game.
(But not for neptune, there mc5 should be a place where there's mc5 guards who don't attack but have a bunch of strippers they are watching)
Original monk
14-09-05, 11:48
yup close it and find an alternative way of getting mc5 chips like FSM or runs like the hurlerking mission/ xbowmission where you can choose youre kind of mc5chip at the end ... this way everyone including spy's (not talking about droners here) and PE's can get there o so needed chips also :)
if this happens im sure alot of dronerexploiters that hunt there gonna be very unhappy cause they see there mainbusiness dissapear ... and have to find there money in another place yust as every other player
Here's my ideal neptune:
No MC5's
No PPU's. (removal of blessed ppu spells and higher)
No Parashock.
No guards. Just guards in hq's.
Beltdrop in all zones.
Techhaven is a safezone.
Techhaven gets a neofrag.
No rare weapons, but instead the highest level of all normal weapons can ALSO be built from techs to artifact stats. (would make for less specialised and some interesting setups)
Drugflash removed
Antidrugs get a 3 use stack.
With all these changes removal of stealth for pes should also be done.
All this would make ion blaster using droners pwn people though, so maybe give droners a reticle?
Apu-hybrid would be the way to go, so they might need some loving with the no hl use.
No resurection... You die, tough, suck it up and get poked.
i like that.
+ all drugs get a 5use stack.
+ remove ceres disk (just lvl up and get your weapon :>)
+ remove ppl like ice. they just suck =/
RogerRamjet
14-09-05, 12:42
Here's my ideal neptune:
No MC5's
No PPU's. (removal of blessed ppu spells and higher)
No Parashock.
No guards. Just guards in hq's.
Beltdrop in all zones.
Techhaven is a safezone.
Techhaven gets a neofrag.
No rare weapons, but instead the highest level of all normal weapons can ALSO be built from techs to artifact stats. (would make for less specialised and some interesting setups)
Drugflash removed
Antidrugs get a 3 use stack.
With all these changes removal of stealth for pes should also be done.
All this would make ion blaster using droners pwn people though, so maybe give droners a reticle?
Apu-hybrid would be the way to go, so they might need some loving with the no hl use.
No resurection... You die, tough, suck it up and get poked.
/spaff :D
Best ideas for a pvp server ever.
Bugs Gunny
14-09-05, 12:54
Oh boy... E.Cryton agrees with me..... What has the world come to? :D
Original monk
14-09-05, 13:13
i agree with youre changes :)
especially the TH gets a NF part and the no rezzurection part :) (gonna be tough in certain caves tough :) but still .. worth it ! )
dont give drones a reticule btw, maybe town em down yah :)
Bugs, if they make those changes to Neptune without a similar level of loving for Terra and the other servers, then I and many others will quit. This new utopia you think you are living in could quite easily be the death of Neocron if they do the things you are asking.
KK need to be extremely careful how they manage thier workload in the next month, they have taken a huge gamble with this server and I for one hope they have a good long-term strategy for both server types. Anything more than a few different belt drop / synaptic rules and the other servers are going to be dead. In fact, if Neptune continues to be the most popular server after 6 months I will be pressing for all servers to be made 'pvp' servers.
So in summary, this thread should be called "Neocron - Things That Need to be Changed"
Bugs Gunny
14-09-05, 14:12
Neptune is what players have asked for all along.
It's the most popular server, right from the start it opened, and i think it will remain that way.
My guess is more and more people will move over due to their friends playing there and their old server being a barren wasteland with nobody in it.
If KK ever decided to make all servers pvp servers, they would have to give people one week to reimplant the le chip.
Oh boy... E.Cryton agrees with me..... What has the world come to? :D
after replying to your post i had to vomit :'( ...
Bugs Gunny
14-09-05, 15:03
after replying to your post i had to vomit :'( ...
Same here, want some of my pills and mouthwash ?
Vae Victis
14-09-05, 16:18
after replying to your post i had to vomit :'( ...u always vomit when u see bugs
Neptune is what players have asked for all along.
It's the most popular server, right from the start it opened, and i think it will remain that way.
My guess is more and more people will move over due to their friends playing there and their old server being a barren wasteland with nobody in it.
If KK ever decided to make all servers pvp servers, they would have to give people one week to reimplant the le chip.
I wonder if its popular because people can quickly cap their chars; People like short cuts hence the exploiting (prob., most don't because they might get caught and banned)
They'll be bored in a week.
I think the quick SL, faction sympth, and fast levelling were a mistake, unless its a tempory meansure to quickly increase the high level player count to balance out the server. I live in hope.
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PS. If you really want to, then make LE deactivate at rank 30. Release a new buyable LEv2 chip that has the same effect as the LE but with maluses: R-C-100, P-C-100, H-C-100, M-C-100, RCL-100, WPW-100, HCK-100, APU-100, PPU-100 et voila a true tradeskiller chip, eh ;P ^^ ) (HCK is not a tradeskill as its used for hacking OPs, breaking into safes and levelling in hacknet. T-C remains unaffected because a crafter should be able to stealth into dangerous areas in order to provide a crafty crafting service.)
Dribble Joy
14-09-05, 16:32
New toy.
Anyway, frankly, I don't think we even needed this PvP server, the PvP problems on the other servers are not cause for a new one. Some people have in this thread have asked for the removal of PPUs on Neptune. Why should that happen there but not the other servers? Irt's a universal problem, with a PPU fix, people could PvP like they wanted without the need for a new server.
If people are looking for a quick fix, a get away from the lvling, the trading, the community, etc. then (and I know this will sound cheesy, cliched and a bit carebearish) why are they playing a MMORPG in the first place?
It's the wrong solution to a different problem. A proberly balanced normal server will be much more sucsesfull than two badly balanced and thoughtout ones. One where PvP, and RP can co-exist.
love bugs ideas other then 2 things
i like my mc5
i like resurrection. its not the dieing that gets me its starting all over
AltonMoney
14-09-05, 16:47
1. remove LE
3. remove ppus
lol right. lets take out a class. GG
Three cheers for Drib. I agree.
New toy.
Anyway, frankly, I don't think we even needed this PvP server, the PvP problems on the other servers are not cause for a new one. Some people have in this thread have asked for the removal of PPUs on Neptune. Why should that happen there but not the other servers? Irt's a universal problem, with a PPU fix, people could PvP like they wanted without the need for a new server.
If people are looking for a quick fix, a get away from the lvling, the trading, the community, etc. then (and I know this will sound cheesy, cliched and a bit carebearish) why are they playing a MMORPG in the first place?
It's the wrong solution to a different problem. A proberly balanced normal server will be much more sucsesfull than two badly balanced and thoughtout ones. One where PvP, and RP can co-exist.
Maybe someone from KK could give us some info, because it seems kinda pointless... the question would be: are rules of the LE-Neptune server already set in stone? Or are all these threads just meaningless?
i doubt we will ever get an answer to this question but it cant really be worse than now so i guess its worth to try...
I also agree with you Dribble Joy.
PPU's cause problems that need to be fixed on all servers.
Oh... and I'm glad people are agreeing with me now that we didn't need a PvP server in the first place.
DJ knows exactly where I'm coming from as he was also on Uranus where we had some great PvPer's and OP wars but we also had alot of RPer's and people who liked to tradeskill.
Maybe someone from KK could give us some info, because it seems kinda pointless... the question would be: are rules of the LE-Neptune server already set in stone? Or are all these threads just meaningless?
i doubt we will ever get an answer to this question but it cant really be worse than now so i guess its worth to try...
I posted this (http://forum.neocron.com/showpost.php?p=1871974&postcount=29) on one of the first threads of it's kind.
N
I posted this (http://forum.neocron.com/showpost.php?p=1871974&postcount=29) on one of the first threads of it's kind.
N
which means absolutely nothing. "maybe we do, maybe we dont, we dont care fuck off" - at least this is how i view it
A proberly balanced normal server will be much more sucsesfull than two badly balanced and thoughtout ones. One where PvP, and RP can co-exist.
How can pvp and rp not co-exist? They only realy made leveling faster, not said "RP IS NOT ALLOWED HERE".
u always vomit when u see bugs
but i even got to vomit if i read his posts !
hm, or are u talking about bugs like 0sl bug, money bug etc ... ?
Mr Friendly
14-09-05, 20:37
im gonna reroll my droner to a ppu just to piss off the morons who think ppus are gona be removed
the GM staff has been workin on a ppu fix for over a few months now, havent talked PMd callash ever since i forgot that idea of my own & just forgot about PMn him entirely @_@ but yea, basically at the time they were narrowed down to a slight few ideas, ironing out the possibe issues compared to the fixes (pro vs con basically) never got around to tellin em my idea...
I posted this (http://forum.neocron.com/showpost.php?p=1871974&postcount=29) on one of the first threads of it's kind.
N
Any chance you could nudge some of the Devs to find out which angles of the game can be tweaked in the limited working room we have right now? this may save some typing from the community and allow us to generate ideas which can actualy be done.
increase rare part drop rate
increase soul light regeneration
remove ppu
make stuff in shop better quality
Asurmen Spec Op
14-09-05, 22:49
remove rares and epic weapons.
flame oN!
remove PvP server :D
Yeah what good is it if you can't even make simple gameplay adjustments?
lol right. lets take out a class. GG
no, remove a bug.
Dargeshaad
15-09-05, 07:56
no, remove a bug.
I thought it was a feature? :lol:
which means absolutely nothing. "maybe we do, maybe we dont, we dont care fuck off" - at least this is how i view it
No, what it means is that they CANNOT change things EXTREMELY on two servers.
I understand completely, that the option of starting with an LE is not an option they can turn on and off, and that the option of removing Monks is not an option they can just set to 0, or PPU's and such set to 0, its hard coded into NC, since it was never meant to be removed.
I thought it was a feature? :lol:
which features a bug, true ;).
What I find really funny: I only spot Le'd runners on the so called PvP server. There is nothing to PvP actually so far...
guess why ... coz everyone wants to cap his char without getting pked ...
think the gankfest will start in a week or so ..
guess why ... coz everyone wants to cap his char without getting pked ...
think the gankfest will start in a week or so ..
Yeah I also think so. Nevertheless it's still funny to have the highest percentage of LE'd players on the PVP server
Ive seen a lot of people pulling their LE's now, wich is nice.
I assume it was like this on Terra for awhile, but Neptune is slowly slipping into more people without LE's...but I started thinking...I am a hybrid with a lot of spells, I dont really want to lose my best attack spell, so I stick it in slot 1...but there is no safe slot O_o so why do I even bother to pull my LE?...crud muffins...with no safe zones, after I pull that LE I am a target, if somebody REALLY hated me they could pk me everywhere, and I could never have my stuff rebuilt....that would...suck....total ass...
At least make TH Sec 2 a safe zone again to promote SOME trading....I mean...we have to re-arm ourselfs don't we?
Ive seen a lot of people pulling their LE's now, wich is nice.
I assume it was like this on Terra for awhile, but Neptune is slowly slipping into more people without LE's...but I started thinking...I am a hybrid with a lot of spells, I dont really want to lose my best attack spell, so I stick it in slot 1...but there is no safe slot O_o so why do I even bother to pull my LE?...crud muffins...with no safe zones, after I pull that LE I am a target, if somebody REALLY hated me they could pk me everywhere, and I could never have my stuff rebuilt....that would...suck....total ass...
At least make TH Sec 2 a safe zone again to promote SOME trading....I mean...we have to re-arm ourselfs don't we?
It's not impossible to go into plaza (or wherever) with nothing in your quickbelt & nothing in your inventory to avoid this. You just need money & maybe a BP.
I really dont like the idea as TH as a safe zone, there's actually people wandering around the city now that's how I like it. It's much more friendly to low level players.
Bugs Gunny
15-09-05, 12:06
I can't wait to start hunting all those hybrids and ppus with my speedgat hc pe.
Hell, if neptune realy gets infested i'll make a clan, specificaly to kill monks, no matter what faction or clan.
I allready have a fitting name for it.
I can't wait to start hunting all those hybrids and ppus with my speedgat hc pe.
Hell, if neptune realy gets infested i'll make a clan, specificaly to kill monks, no matter what faction or clan.
I allready have a fitting name for it.
We will just pwn you anyway.... :rolleyes:
I'll roll a pure apu, and have a buddy role a pure ppu, just for gunning down your clan then. :lol:
Oh nos! Don't use an apu either! Cause its a MONK! OMFG!!! :o
We will just pwn you anyway.... :rolleyes:
Ha :) Is that through all the skill all you monks have or possibly a balance issue? ;)
Bugs Gunny
15-09-05, 12:52
Heh, want to take bets on how many apu and ppu spells i'll have collected in a week or two?
Two clannies are some of the best pe players on the server. I'm sure a lot of people in apu-ppu teams will go "Oh shit..." when all three of us unstealth around them.
Heh, want to take bets on how many apu and ppu spells i'll have collected in a week or two?
Two clannies are some of the best pe players on the server. I'm sure a lot of people in apu-ppu teams will go "Oh shit..." when all three of us unstealth around them.
More like you go "Oh shit..." when 3 apu's and two ppu's pop out to stick it in your arse.
:lol: Face it, APU and PPU teams are unstoppable. Just accept your defeat and go hunt techs or something.
We will just pwn you anyway.... :rolleyes:
I'll roll a pure apu, and have a buddy role a pure ppu, just for gunning down your clan then. :lol:
Oh nos! Don't use an apu either! Cause its a MONK! OMFG!!! :o
3 pes can OWN a apu even with a ppu, dm and noob heal = dead
Bugs Gunny
15-09-05, 13:26
Well, with three pes HUNTING for apus and ppus WE get to choose the fights, not you :-)
End result, we get the belts, you'll never get ours.
Yeah I also think so. Nevertheless it's still funny to have the highest percentage of LE'd players on the PVP server
...which is also the reason why there shouldnt be LE on neptune at the first place. Cause everyone is big bad and ugly mofo only when capped and with ppu and when encountering someone who cannot win. If the situation was reversed, as i would like it to, all those nasty pkers/griefers/whatever would probably hurry back to terra because of the fear of gankers...
right now, lack of safezones is pointless, as everyone have their own safezone chip equipped.
Though even without LEs and safezones there still would be ppu safezones - but those are killable sometimes. So u can at least try, while safezones and LE remote safezones are undefeatable. I personally classify those 2 kinds of safezones as exploits within the game ruless. PPUs arent exploits, they are just bugs which needs to be fixed. But there is no "fix" for a safezone or LE except to remove/deactivate it.
And KK failed to do it...
Bugs Gunny
15-09-05, 13:44
Xylaz, i've allready seen capped players go on gankinghunts for noobs without le, some even had ppu support to make sure they'd never get hurt.
Removal of the le on the server would bring more ppus to the server.
4 pe's :>
i'll come along !
Xylaz, i've allready seen capped players go on gankinghunts for noobs without le, some even had ppu support to make sure they'd never get hurt.
Removal of the le on the server would bring more ppus to the server.
well yes, but like i said, ppus are at least killable (its not easy of course, but its possible, at least theoretically - and they should be fixed :rolleyes: ) and LEs are not - which is my main problem.
the problem with noobganking is highly relative, from my point of view such situation would have more advantages actually. Newbies would be forced to gather around (noob clans), to look for ganking free areas (exploration), to learn whom to trust and whom not (reputation system). After all it was supposed to be "hardcore" server, not neccesarily "newbie friendly".
My main problem with LEs with a non-safezone environment are tradeskillers. Its pointless to make a tradeskiller there as everyone will have their own private LE tradeskiller, so nothing will change here and i was hoping for a significant change in this matter (it would allow reputation to exist).
another problem i see with the current neptune set is that it should be "PVP" server, which means you should be free to pvp anytime anywhere and anyone. I craved so much all those noobfights with tl 20 weapons, sniping with tl 10 rifles, making noob clans etc etc. Its like half of the game which is missing for me...
From my noob levelling experience there, i notice that the xp gain increase is all well and good, but it exacerbates an already existing imbalance on the other servers.
On Mars / Mercury / Terra, one levels away from 0/2 to gain xp to use better stuff, as well as to earn money to buy / build the new stuff. When the dings have passed, you check your stat, you run off to the weapon / armour vendor and see your shiny new item showing its correct colour meaning you can now use it.....only the price is red. Your bank balance is rather disappointing. So you hunt some more for cash, then buy the item. Only trouble is, you gained more xp in the process, so you are nearly ready for the next item up from that.
Now look at Neptune. I hunt away in the low level areas and dungeons. I ding like crazy and in no time at all i'm ready for my TL10 gun. I get good stats on it but i cant go out and kill higher level creatures as i can only afford one piece of armour. I could stretch to two, but then i wont afford medikits to heal myself unless i spend points in recycle. I have enough PSI points now to use basic buffs, but now i only have enough money for a glove. Once i can afford a spell, i cant afford to get it ressed and built.
Money earned from low level creatures is pitiful. As a noob with a 0/2 rank, i earn something like 49nc for a small spider 70 something for a small sewer rat, and an almost impossible aggressor at that level will earn me the princely sum of 280nc after sweating away for 10 minutes killing it, during which time, i've spent double that on ammo and medikits to stay alive.
I know that money comes easily once you can kill the 60/60 mobs with ease, so once you're past lvl 45, you can be a millionaire if you get down to work in the right places. Once in a cave with an apu in team, youre rich too, but the low level creatures don't pay enough for newbs to get a decent foothold.
Btw, im assuming a totally new player here who is not relying on handouts from rich clanmates or their alts. Imagine a new player and a few of his friends, who are also new and trying to earn money the legit way.
So my point is this: if the xp gain can be increased to such a level on Neptune, can the cash gain for creatures be increased proportionally? I'm not saying this has to happen for every creature in the world, but specifically everything from Launcher Cyclops down. 150nc for a spider or rat sounds fair. As does 500nc for an aggy and 2000nc for a launcher cyclops. Consider also increasing the aggy mission money from 1500nc to 3000nc and the cyclops mission reward from 2000nc to 5000nc. This would only be fair considering the great expense low level players go to to actually kill these creatures. They can't kill them in a few hits like capped players can.
Considering that we are going to lose a lot of stuff on Neptune, we will be relying on more than better xp and better chance of slots. Some things can only be bought for hard cash.
Well, with three pes HUNTING for apus and ppus WE get to choose the fights, not you :-)
End result, we get the belts, you'll never get ours.
We will see grasshopper...
I joined the neptune server realised I had an LE in a combat char and logged off back to Terra.
I wanted so much to have fights in the sewers with another 1/3 :)
a PvP server with an LE is just like any other server with a few rule changes on belts, safeslots etc.
If they set it up so tradeskillers could be safe and all others were free to PvP someone within 10 Levels of themself to stop a X/66 ganking a Y/2 then it would be a true PvP server worth a look tbh.
I wanted so much to have fights in the sewers with another 1/3 :)
yeah i second that
yeah i second that
Well untill KK second that and implement a better system i won't be on Neptune tbh :(
Well untill KK second that and implement a better system i won't be on Neptune tbh :(
and i second that as well :(
and i second that as well :(
Thank you.
Anyone third ? Lets vote this in! :D
Bugs Gunny
15-09-05, 14:21
I don't see how you can have a cashflowproblem.
I've just taken and sold all the loot, then did the reveler epic and now i'm hunting techs to sell for cash.
Once you start hunting techs and armorparts you're set.
@ ERIC: We must realy realy hate ppus, if we go hunt them together with our mutual disgust of each other :D
I'll gladly team up with you to get their spells. Maybe collect them and fraps it when we throw them out in the ocean by viaroso 3, or stick them in the salvage processor.
(..) but the low level creatures don't pay enough for newbs to get a decent foothold.(..)
Sell Loot?
That's the way I earned my money, when I was new to the game.. Works fine..
I must admit, Mr Kot is correct, but I cannot moan much myself since money is a right ok thing to get when you're a droner...I did ask him to make a droner but he wouldn't have it :p
Face it, APU and PPU teams are unstoppable. Just accept your defeat and go hunt techs or something.
problem is good ones are. and you still 'support monks'. finaly found a way to not die every time i guess.
Not playing on Neptune but one of the most common arguments I keep seeing for keeping LE's in neptune is with regards to tradeskillers.
I have a simple way to get round this problem. Make apartments safe zones and the tradeskillers can work away in complete safety.
Hell-demon
17-09-05, 23:05
Just make tech haven a safe zone. Snorted
Asurmen Spec Op
18-09-05, 02:09
screw that
I will work in a non safe zone, stealth always at the ready
wear a heavy energy belt
some one comes, poof.
Come back on a combat charecter
kill
repeat
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