View Full Version : Synch bug is killing off playernumbers
Bugs Gunny
18-08-05, 09:36
Well, i can't realy remember which patch started it, but we all know that logging in or resuming the game is a pain.
On average i have to resume 3 times before everything works and i'm not missing stuff from inventory-quickbelt.
Now while this may suck when you are in the midle of a raid or fight and crash when opening inventory or upon zoning, it's still playable.
This means we as remaining NC players are the ones that have learned to live with it.
However there are a number of people who for some reason have this isue a lot worse. They have to spend sometimes 15 minutes trying to log in, and when they do and they crash they just say" screw it, that's me for tonight".
Well, the current status of the game has allready cost our clan a few members, and i wonder how many other people have left because of it.
And it's NOT due to their internet connection. These people go via the same route from the us as other players who don't have the problem, they have high end systems and high speed internet connections which have never caused problems with other games.
This is not a troll or a flame at KK, but looking back on my days in NC1, all the promises, then the whole "please transfer your account to NC2 package" which included player shops, a "wonderful" hacknet, item tracking, accesories, a "new" engine and dx9........
Which ones of the above actualy work at least 80% or are even functional?
I like the game due to the pvp system but i honestly believe that we had exactly the same thing in nc1. At least then it was easier to find a fight, and you could actualy play the game instead of spending 30mins every night going on trade, trying to get something which you just bought in a store back in nc1.
I know we can't turn the clock back to nc1, but you guys realy need to fix the game and give us the stuff you lured us into nc2 with.
This is not a troll or a flame at KK, but looking back on my days in NC1, all the promises, then the whole "please transfer your account to NC2 package" which included player shops, a "wonderful" hacknet, item tracking, accesories, a "new" engine and dx9........
Which ones of the above actualy work at least 80% or are even functional?
Hacknet is okay I guess? Item tracking supposedly is in but it's hidden now so who knows? :rolleyes: player shops, accesories, new engine and dx9 definately don't work/aren't in!
Dargeshaad
18-08-05, 09:45
The login/sync bugs are pretty much what's keeping me away from playing, I simply can't be arsed with the hazzle each time I have to login (or relog, which I have to do frequently due to low memory or because of drug flash on my spy)
i used to have snyc/login bugs but theyre gone, pbly as of #141
i used to have snyc/login bugs but theyre gone, pbly as of #141
Same they never were much of a problem for me but now they are completly gone.
Asurmen Spec Op
18-08-05, 10:00
Its funny, I only get bugs when it doesnt matter, Raiding,Swampcavz0ring, even with friends, no problem with relog.
I relog in my APP
Its impossible to synch in
Disturbed21
18-08-05, 10:01
However there are a number of people who for some reason have this isue a lot worse. They have to spend sometimes 15 minutes trying to log in, and when they do and they crash they just say" screw it, that's me for tonight".
Hey that sounds alot like me! :p
I've given up trying to PvP much in the past few weeks.
PvP just isn't fun anymore when it takes an average of 10 attempts to successfully login. If I fatal during a fight I either miss the entire fight or wind up dead on one of my unsuccessful logins. :rolleyes:
I really do hope they get this sorted soon. Not only are they loosing ppl that have played for a long time but they aren't going to gain any new ppl with these types of bugs...
Asurmen Spec Op
18-08-05, 10:09
Hey that sounds alot like me!
:rolleyes:
I've given up trying to PvP much in the past few weeks.
PvP just isn't fun anymore when it takes an average of 10 attempts to successfully login. If I fatal during a fight I either miss the entire fight or wind up dead on one of my unsuccessful logins. :p
I really do hope they get this sorted soon. Not only are they loosing ppl that have played for a long time but they aren't going to gain any new ppl with these types of bugs...
Its funny, some people I know dont get any login then some get 10-15 in one login attempt everytime
when i relog 1 outta 3 times im missing all imps cant draw a wepaon or something liek that all i have to do to fix it is relog tho and its usuaully ok again and i still think its to much poor guys who cant login for 15 mins :(
ive noticed restarting ur game between logins and making ur char completely gone helps a LOT cuz when people just log out log in log out log in with their char still ingame it keeps being bugged for some people
Well, i can't realy remember which patch started it, but we all know that logging in or resuming the game is a pain.
On average i have to resume 3 times before everything works and i'm not missing stuff from inventory-quickbelt.
Now while this may suck when you are in the midle of a raid or fight and crash when opening inventory or upon zoning, it's still playable.
This means we as remaining NC players are the ones that have learned to live with it.
The synchs, missing items, right click bug, all on logging in just fuck this game!
I tried for ages to get some mates to try this instead of WOW and finally I got them to try the trial. Only 2 of them mind you and they lasted One night!!
They asked "How do you play that peice of buggy shit??"
A newcomers perspective is not our hardened way of looking at it. No way would they pay to play neocron :( so only one RL buddy still in game.
Without overcoming these bugs NC will suffer as FIRST IMPRESSIONS COUNT!
Noobs just move on to the next free trial to find something worth playing :rolleyes:
and you could actualy play the game instead of spending 30mins every night going on trade, trying to get something which you just bought in a store back in nc1.
The Item distribution through FSM's is fucked due to no player shops tbh. It was setup with Shops in mind. We buy sell etc whilst offline.
Now all we see is people spamming trade FSM<<90 symph needed!! to get eyes, spells, imps etc..
May work ok for the high level shit but try getting someone to Genrep to their faction and back for a licence or a low level item. Not worth doing it and certainly not worth the hassle of logging an ALT to do it either(especially with the above problem!) all compounded by the lower population, hell is their anyone in PP with 90 symph?? :p
KK REDESIGN item distribution at least in light of your decision to no longer proceed with Player shops, Just shove some smugglers in if you don't wanna redesign it all.....Please......
Can't possible be that hard for the game to detect a login bug and do a forced re-synch
Bugs Gunny
18-08-05, 13:32
Nope, but what if the forced resynch goes on and on for 15-30 mins?
Nope, but what if the forced resynch goes on and on for 15-30 mins? Whenever I get login bugs (which I rarely do), it gets fixed the first re-synch I do. Anyway, the biggest problem atm is the netcode
[TgR]KILLER
18-08-05, 13:38
(or relog, which I have to do frequently due to low memory or because of drug flash on my spy)
lol dispite bugs is right about all the login bugs and yea i give you the one that relogging because of mem leaks is a huge problem to.. but god don't go blaim the game that you have to relog while you want to drugwhore on your spy :lol: :lol: i say they gotta fix that tbh.. thats a bug to relogging shouldn't make your drugflash go away the drugflash was put in for a reason :lol:
BloodLetting
18-08-05, 17:21
Whenever I get login bugs (which I rarely do), it gets fixed the first re-synch I do. Anyway, the biggest problem atm is the netcode
Agree 100% lag death sux.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
vashtyphoon78
18-08-05, 17:58
Nope, but what if the forced resynch goes on and on for 15-30 mins?
thats what alt+f4 is for.
Agree 100% lag death sux.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: devs are the worst because they hit as long as they are close on THEIR screen
As for the login/Sync issues, my hands are basically tied in trying to track down the issue on my side of things, I can't track something when I rarely get the issue. Maybe I'll take a trip to one of your houses to mess with the issues there :p Atleast then maybe I could get some info I can send into the office outta it.
dx9 definately don't work/aren't in!
Funny, works for me, only time I use DX7 is with the map editor.
As for the login/Sync issues, my hands are basically tied in trying to track down the issue on my side of things, I can't track something when I rarely get the issue. Maybe I'll take a trip to one of your houses to mess with the issues there :p Atleast then maybe I could get some info I can send into the office outta it.
Funny, works for me, only time I use DX7 is with the map editor.
Is DX7 faster?...I get some serious, and I mean SERIOUS screen lag sometimes now, especially when looking at water, or in the wastelands...I never got that in NC1, always stayed in double digit FPS, never below 20...now I hit 2 and 3 :(
BTW, where the heck do YOU live? I'm so moving into your house...I get sync bugs EVERY time I go to login...it does not fail, what information can I get you?
Is DX7 faster?...I get some serious, and I mean SERIOUS screen lag sometimes now, especially when looking at water, or in the wastelands...I never got that in NC1, always stayed in double digit FPS, never below 20...now I hit 2 and 3 :(
BTW, where the heck do YOU live? I'm so moving into your house...I get sync bugs EVERY time I go to login...it does not fail, what information can I get you?
Dx9 is faster on my pc, only reason I even use Dx7 for the map editor is because its engine was never upgraded to Dx9 so none of the text I need to know whats what shows up.
Toronto, Canada basically.. I have a 6mb DSL connection :p As for info, I need stuff like net stats at that time, mainly to try and figure out whats going on between the client and the server. The last time I was having sync issues int he middle of the game was last week, but that was a router on this side of the ocean acting up.
I invite you to my house in Jersey to work on the problem. 100% of the time I log in i'm sync bugged and such, takes me ages to get it off, Once i"m not in sync I have no weapons/invent, So i zone and sometimes that works.
Aka - pain in the ass
-- System --
I invite you to my house in Jersey
That should explain it right there :p
Funny, works for me, only time I use DX7 is with the map editor.
If I use dx9, I cannot use vehicles.
http://forum.neocron.com/showthread.php?t=127625&page=2&pp=15
If I use dx9, I cannot use vehicles.
http://forum.neocron.com/showthread.php?t=127625&page=2&pp=15
I've had that problem twice since I've started playing Neocron, both times it was in NC1. There was no Dx9 back then. I know exactly what happens when it kicks in, however at the time I wasn't even a GM so I wasn't looking into the causes of anything. If it ever happens to me again, you can bet I'll being starting a debugger to try and track down whats going on.
Your sound issues reminds me of the one I used to get with certain PSI spells, again this was in NC1, and stopped after I got rid of my Live! 5.1 card(it died after my brother decided ginger ale was a good thing to drop beside a computer with no side cover on the case..)
As for the elastic band zoning, I havent had that in a few months either. Some people claim turning on V-sync helps, tho I never did this myself. I did notice it's linked to the bandwith counter. Try zoning with the FPS/Mem/Bandwith meters showing, you'll notice it happens when your bandwith is > 2000.
That should explain it right there :p
hey hey hey! whats that supposed to mean? Jersey Sucks? Only people that live in Jersey can say that no one else :-p
hey hey hey! whats that supposed to mean? Jersey Sucks? Only people that live in Jersey can say that no one else :-p
Why is it that everyone knocks Jersey?? New Jersey the Garden State.....Home of the New York Giants..lol :lol:
Dirus, why not post a list of commands the people that frequently have these problems should run the next time they get them? That way you'll get the data needed quickly.
I got a comp with a GeForce 4TI4600 in it and I never got the rubberband effect in NC1 or in the beginning in NC2 (using standard detonator drivers). Then I installed Omegadrivers and suddenly I got it everytime I zoned. As soon as I turned on vsync it dissapeared. I tested several times turning it off (and then got the problems again) and then turning vsync back on and they once again dissapeared. Loads of people have reported the same problem and solution when it comes to the Omegadrivers.
I recently exchanged my omegadrivers to some other optimized drivers but I still had the rubberband effect at zoning when I turned vsync off. And again it dissapeared when I turned it back on.
Orion']Dirus, why not post a list of commands the people that frequently have these problems should run the next time they get them? That way you'll get the data needed quickly.
I got a comp with a GeForce 4TI4600 in it and I never got the rubberband effect in NC1 or in the beginning in NC2 (using standard detonator drivers). Then I installed Omegadrivers and suddenly I got it everytime I zoned. As soon as I turned on vsync it dissapeared. I tested several times turning it off (and then got the problems again) and then turning vsync back on and they once again dissapeared. Loads of people have reported the same problem and solution when it comes to the Omegadrivers.
I recently exchanged my omegadrivers to some other optimized drivers but I still had the rubberband effect at zoning when I turned vsync off. And again it dissapeared when I turned it back on.
Alt+F turns on the FPS/Mem/Bandwith meters. The thing with most issues tho is that there is no real "commands" to turn on to get the info, alot of it involves running 3rd party programs and watching whats going on at a low level.
Built-in Windows Commandline utilities are,
"pathping 62.140.29.50" <-- will basically pin point any hops along the way that may be an issue, shows stats such as percet of packets dropped ect. *Warning on my system this takes 7mins to complete one test*
And usually kicks out something like this.
C:>pathping 62.140.29.50
Tracing route to 62.140.29.50 over a maximum of 30 hops
0 127.0.0.1 [127.0.0.1]**Changed.. this will normally show your own ip**
1 192.168.2.1
2 64.230.199.2
3 64.230.232.177
4 64.230.220.229
5 64.230.242.118
6 if-7-0.core2.TTT-Scarborough.Teleglobe.net [207.45.198.1]
7 if-4-0.core1.TTT-Scarborough.Teleglobe.net [207.45.222.205]
8 if-6-1.core1.CT8-Chicago.teleglobe.net [66.110.27.37]
9 so-1-2-0.e1.Chicago1.Level3.net [65.59.88.193]
10 so-2-1-0.bbr2.Chicago1.Level3.net [209.244.8.13]
11 ae-1-0.bbr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [212.187.128.21]
12 so-1-0-0.mp2.Hamburg1.Level3.net [4.68.128.30]
13 ge-4-2.hsa2.Hamburg1.Level3.net [195.122.140.196]
14 ge-2-0.edge1.ham1.de.inetbone.net [62.67.234.30]
15 212.162.3.84
16 62.140.29.50
Computing statistics for 400 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 127.0.0.1 [127.0.0.1]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 0ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 192.168.2.1
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 8ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 64.230.199.2
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 6ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 64.230.232.177
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 6ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 64.230.220.229
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 6ms 1/ 100 = 1% 1/ 100 = 1% 64.230.242.118
0/ 100 = 0% |
6 7ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% if-7-0.core2.TTT-Scarborough.Teleglobe.net [207.45.198.1]
0/ 100 = 0% |
7 7ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% if-4-0.core1.TTT-Scarborough.Teleglobe.net [207.45.222.205]
0/ 100 = 0% |
8 18ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% if-6-1.core1.CT8-Chicago.teleglobe.net [66.110.27.37]
0/ 100 = 0% |
9 33ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% so-1-2-0.e1.Chicago1.Level3.net [65.59.88.193]
0/ 100 = 0% |
10 33ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% so-2-1-0.bbr2.Chicago1.Level3.net[209.244.8.13]
0/ 100 = 0% |
11 120ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-1-0.bbr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net[212.187.128.21]
0/ 100 = 0% |
12 126ms 1/ 100 = 1% 1/ 100 = 1% so-1-0-0.mp2.Hamburg1.Level3.net [4.68.128.30]
0/ 100 = 0% |
13 125ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ge-4-2.hsa2.Hamburg1.Level3.net [195.122.140.196]
0/ 100 = 0% |
14 125ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ge-2-0.edge1.ham1.de.inetbone.net[62.67.234.30]
0/ 100 = 0% |
15 124ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 212.162.3.84
0/ 100 = 0% |
16 124ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 62.140.29.50
Trace complete.
Which as you can see, I have two nodes between me and the server that have both lost a packet.
Asurmen Spec Op
19-08-05, 06:09
Alt+F turns on the FPS/Mem/Bandwith meters. The thing with most issues tho is that there is no real "commands" to turn on to get the info, alot of it involves running 3rd party programs and watching whats going on at a low level.
Built-in Windows Commandline utilities are,
"pingpath 62.140.29.50" <-- will basically pin point any hops along the way that may be an issue, shows stats such as percet of packets dropped ect. *Warning on my system this takes 7mins to complete one test*
And usually kicks out something like this.
Which as you can see, I have two nodes between me and the server that have both lost a packet.
Bolded item is backwards, should be pathping
Mr Friendly
19-08-05, 06:17
Why is it that everyone knocks Jersey?? New Jersey the Garden State.....Home of the New York Giants..lol :lol:
lol burned man, you got burned.....Burned!
shut up your armor's pink.
Light red!
Oh bugger, posted in the wrong thread.
Delete me please.
C:\DOCUME~1\ADMINI~1.TRI>pathping 62.140.29.50
Tracing route to 62.140.29.50 over a maximum of 30 hops
0 <33 [<3]
1 10.26.52.1
2 12-215-8-97.client.mchsi.com [12.215.8.97]
3 12-215-1-82.client.mchsi.com [12.215.1.82]
4 12.123.5.218
5 ggr2-p300.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.123.6.33]
6 so-1-1-0.edge1.Chicago1.Level3.net [209.0.227.77]
7 so-2-1-0.bbr2.Chicago1.Level3.net [209.244.8.13]
8 ae-1-0.bbr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [212.187.128.21]
9 so-1-0-0.mp2.Hamburg1.Level3.net [4.68.128.30]
10 ge-4-2.hsa2.Hamburg1.Level3.net [195.122.140.196]
11 ge-2-0.edge1.ham1.de.inetbone.net [62.67.234.30]
12 212.162.3.84
13 62.140.29.50
Computing statistics for 325 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 <33 [<33]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 14ms 2/ 100 = 2% 2/ 100 = 2% 10.26.52.1
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 15ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 12-215-8-97.client.mchsi.com [12.215.8.97]
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 26ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 12-215-1-82.client.mchsi.com [12.215.1.82]
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% 12.123.5.218
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% ggr2-p300.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.123.6.33]
0/ 100 = 0% |
6 28ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% so-1-1-0.edge1.Chicago1.Level3.net [209.0.227.77]
0/ 100 = 0% |
7 27ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% so-2-1-0.bbr2.Chicago1.Level3.net [209.244.8.13]
0/ 100 = 0% |
8 130ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-1-0.bbr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [212.187.128.21]
0/ 100 = 0% |
9 141ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% so-1-0-0.mp2.Hamburg1.Level3.net [4.68.128.30]
0/ 100 = 0% |
10 135ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ge-4-2.hsa2.Hamburg1.Level3.net [195.122.140.196]
0/ 100 = 0% |
11 133ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ge-2-0.edge1.ham1.de.inetbone.net [62.67.234.30]
0/ 100 = 0% |
12 134ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 212.162.3.84
0/ 100 = 0% |
13 135ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 62.140.29.50
Trace complete.
C:\DOCUME~1\ADMINI~1.TRI>
Ow....
Ow....
I'd be more worried about the 2% loss right off your door step then the 2 that have 100%. Those two are most likely just configured not to respond to that type of query.
I'd be more worried about the 2% loss right off your door step then the 2 that have 100%. Those two are most likely just configured not to respond to that type of query.
I hate Mediacom...its been the same thing for...................3 years.
I sat pinging that host for the past hour, and have not lost a single packet, but what the heck would that be?
Which as you can see, I have two nodes between me and the server that have both lost a packet.
Is all of the login process also UDP? If so - losing a packet here and there can be fatally detrimental. I'm just guessing when the game is still "logging in" and you're not actually in-game receiving game data, maybe it's number of resends is limited?
Tracing route to 62.140.29.50 over a maximum of 30 hops
0 webdev [192.168.0.157]
1 209.173.10.22
2 gateway-atm2-0.403-pressent.blo.ptd.net [204.186.238.241]
3 gateway-atm4-0-0-300-leh2blo.leh.ptd.net [207.44.120.181]
4 gateway2-atm3-1-310-str22leh.str.ptd.net [207.44.126.117]
5 nw2nj31ck4-pos2-0.att.net [12.119.12.69]
6 tbr2-p012402.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.123.219.133]
7 12.122.80.37
8 so-1-0-0.gar4.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.68.127.5]
9 ae-1-55.bbr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.68.97.129]
10 as-1-0.bbr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [4.68.128.214]
11 so-1-0-0.mp2.Hamburg1.Level3.net [4.68.128.30]
12 ge-4-1.hsa2.Hamburg1.Level3.net [195.122.140.164]
13 ge-2-0.edge1.ham1.de.inetbone.net [62.67.234.30]
14 212.162.3.84
15 62.140.29.50
Computing statistics for 375 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 webdev [192.168.0.157]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 5ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 209.173.10.22
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 15ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% gateway-atm2-0.403-pressent.blo.ptd.net [204.186.238.241]
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 29ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% gateway-atm4-0-0-300-leh2blo.leh.ptd.net [207.44.120.181]
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 22ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% gateway2-atm3-1-310-str22leh.str.ptd.net [207.44.126.117]
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 24ms 1/ 100 = 1% 1/ 100 = 1% nw2nj31ck4-pos2-0.att.net [12.119.12.69]
0/ 100 = 0% |
6 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% tbr2-p012402.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.123.219.133]
0/ 100 = 0% |
7 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% 12.122.80.37
0/ 100 = 0% |
8 31ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% so-1-0-0.gar4.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.68.127.5]
0/ 100 = 0% |
9 29ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-1-55.bbr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.68.97.129]
0/ 100 = 0% |
10 105ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% as-1-0.bbr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [4.68.128.214]
0/ 100 = 0% |
11 111ms 1/ 100 = 1% 1/ 100 = 1% so-1-0-0.mp2.Hamburg1.Level3.net [4.68.128.30]
0/ 100 = 0% |
12 110ms 1/ 100 = 1% 1/ 100 = 1% ge-4-1.hsa2.Hamburg1.Level3.net [195.122.140.164]
0/ 100 = 0% |
13 107ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ge-2-0.edge1.ham1.de.inetbone.net [62.67.234.30]
0/ 100 = 0% |
14 110ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 212.162.3.84
0/ 100 = 0% |
15 109ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 62.140.29.50
Trace complete.
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