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The Newbie-helper project will soon be relaunched with the aim of helping new runners arriving with the International Release. The new Teamleader, NH Horus, will lead the project and is looking forward to your support!
Runners who have been playing Neocron for longer than 6 months, have detailed knowledge of the game and think they are able to answer newbie questions are welcome to apply for a Newbiehelper position at Chenoa@reakktor.com. She will forward the applications to NH Horus, who will then get back to you with an answer.
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All Helper places have now been filled so please do not send in any more applications. Thanks for your great response!
Additional request:
Please write into your application, who you are in this forum. Thanks. :)
paolo escobar
12-04-05, 00:08
hey sounds like a cool idea, how will it work in practice tho m8, i'm interested in knowing? ingame or via some other method of Q and A.
Certainly a good idea as nc can be rather tough to begin with.
Transformer
12-04-05, 00:26
is there an age limit on this one?
is there an age limit on this one?
If they haven't mentioned one, there isn't one.
Infact, the age limit thing is completely mad tbh; if you're under 18, you can get a parent or guardian to sign any NDAs for you.
Sounds good anyhow.
age limit is good... old people are wise and full of knowledge ;)
Well my birthday is on next friday. 18 then :p
´But yeah i agree some sort of age limit is always good, atleast 18 and 20-21 would be what i recommend.
Transformer
12-04-05, 04:10
Well my birthday is on next friday. 18 then :p
´But yeah i agree some sort of age limit is always good, atleast 18 and 20-21 would be what i recommend.
this is based on game knowledge not on how "wise" your are. some of the most experienced people in the game don't have to be old. I've been playing the game since i was 14. i'm 16 now...thats nearly 2 years (for people who are REALLY bad at math :lol: ) but because i'm not over 21 doesn't mean i have no knowledge of the game...
So, anything on what you will do if you become a "newbie helper", like will your name go on a list that the new players can contact in game or something?
@ Transformer: if you are seriously interested in this job, then do not hessitate, and write an application.
Basically we can be met in de MC5 area (beginner area of course ;) ).
Additional to that we will have a look at the 'new runners corner'.
Generally our job will be to help the (really) new runners to get on with the game (for example giving hints for further gameplay or telling, how to do certain things).
Bugs Gunny
12-04-05, 11:15
It's good that KK starts this.
Nothing like a first impression, where you're actualy greeted by a real person who wants to help you.
Dribble Joy
12-04-05, 12:43
This was actually dreamt up ages ago, but it kinda stalled for some reason.
Dr Strange
12-04-05, 13:02
related question;
does the 6 month requirement need to be 6 months of Game Period time through the C2P/NC2 launcher login?
I ask cause I played NC2 on a friends account during the first month or so, then made my own account. And of course everyone gets their "free" month which also I'm not sure if that counts as official play time.
not trying to nitpick just wanted to know if playing on a different account plus your own for 6+ months could be considered as well
Dribble Joy
12-04-05, 13:14
I think that the 6 months thing is a bare minimum, they probably want people that have 1 to 2 years+.
just wanted to know if playing on a different account plus your own for 6+ months could be considered as well
If it were up to me, i would count ALL playing experience, regardless of whose account. It's the knowledge u have gained (and can pass on) that matters. ;)
Transformer
12-04-05, 13:25
@ Transformer: if you are seriously interested in this job, then do not hessitate, and write an application.
Basically we can be met in de MC5 area (beginner area of course ;) ).
Additional to that we will have a look at the 'new runners corner'.
Generally our job will be to help the (really) new runners to get on with the game (for example giving hints for further gameplay or telling, how to do certain things).
oh i did^^ just don't want my chances to be ruined by a simple age limit which IMO wouldn't affect the performance of a helper.
Bugs Gunny
12-04-05, 13:40
oh i did^^ just don't want my chances to be ruined by a simple age limit which IMO wouldn't affect the performance of a helper.
I think under 95 years of age would also be a good age limit to not have it affect the performance of the helper :-)
Another Suggestion is ...
Add new channel called noob help.
This is only channel active in MC5. When you leave MC5, this and other default channles are active
When you reach level 20 this channel is no longer an option for you, so you cant see it or chat on it as by then you are really not a noob
At anytime you can disable it, but only below level 20's can use it and see it
enigma_b17
12-04-05, 14:12
application sent :)
Age limits are bad. I've been playing since Beta4 NC1, that's... what, four years experience? And i'm 14 right now.
I'd be signing up if it weren't for the fact my characters are hackers and Hacknet is still broken...
enigma_b17
12-04-05, 14:23
age limits are not bad, u may be mature for ur age but alot of other people arent and a 14 year old with a capped char trying to help a newbie would be like
newbie: "so....whats this thing in my qb"
newbiehelper: "omg1111one, its a knife, omg11111111"
newbie: "how do i use it"
newbiehelper: "omg1111one, SELECT THE F***ING THING, can i show u my twirly, omg11111one1"
my point being that an age limit decreases the chances of some1 like that or simliar fooling kk and getting an important position where they can affect the opinions and feelings (about the game) of other people :)
Age limits are bad. I've been playing since Beta4 NC1, that's... what, four years experience?
about 3, if that.
Bugs Gunny
12-04-05, 14:33
LOL.
You forgot to mention :
"IRl33t. ME>U irl, tbh"
"Now ask me a noobish question you nib, tbh."
new tank player :'How can i use the hacktool?"
"You gr out to mb, kill the titans with your speedy or gunning a rev and ask a spy to haxxor the warbie and you can then have the techs ressed."
new tank player:"Euh..... " *pulls out his gun and shoots newbie helper*
few questions.
Will there be a citycom list of the newbie helpers so people can contact them through that?
Will the newbie helpers ingame chars be written somewhere here on forum?
I ask cuz I would like to be able to contact them ingame, if some of them are online when I am..
After all we´re in same profession... sorta.. Niddy knows what I mean.
new tank player:"Euh..... " *pulls out his gun and shoots newbie helper*
you forgot the LawEnforcer ;)
enigma_b17
12-04-05, 14:39
well obviously hell tell him to take it out first :P
Bugs Gunny
12-04-05, 14:45
How could i forget, the leet pvper rule n°1: "Tell every new player to pull his le, as it gimps his leveling" :-)
I stand corrected gentlemen.
I don't have the time to help out new players, as i have a fulltime job, a hobby, two kids and a gf, but if i run into a new player i usualy try to make some time to answer questions.
Transformer
12-04-05, 15:03
age limits are not bad, u may be mature for ur age but alot of other people arent and a 14 year old with a capped char trying to help a newbie would be like
newbie: "so....whats this thing in my qb"
newbiehelper: "omg1111one, its a knife, omg11111111"
newbie: "how do i use it"
newbiehelper: "omg1111one, SELECT THE F***ING THING, can i show u my twirly, omg11111one1"
my point being that an age limit decreases the chances of some1 like that or simliar fooling kk and getting an important position where they can affect the opinions and feelings (about the game) of other people :)
In some ways I agree; In most I don't. I believe that at this point in life a young adult (including myself) has the responsibilty to be able to know when to be mature and make the right decision in this matter. Yes, I can agree that someone who was immature and didn't care about what the person needed, then we would have an issue, but tbh; Who seriously would take the time to fill out and application and go through this process and start yelling at a noob going OMGWTF NOOB!!!? Its lack of responsibility that leads to this problem, not age. and YES i understand a younger person may not have as much responsibility but it doesn't mean you should rule them out. Everyone should be given the chance to show their potential.
RogerRamjet
12-04-05, 15:22
Sent my email off this morning, at school atm and i aint got a reply yet. Hope it comes by tonight.
yeah well, i was kinda joking about the age limit.
We all know that there are pretty mature 14 years old young gentlemen out here :) and that there are completely immature 30 years old pricks who only play this game to piss people off (not me, of course :lol: ).
Besides 30 years old pricks usually have job, divorce or wife upon their necks, another job, few hobbies and lots of anger they need to vent out ingame ;) And a very little free time on their hands, usually
Young gentlemen have lots of free time and they are highly idealistic and unspoiled by the 30 years old prick's influences :p
Hi all,
due to the high amount of applications for this project ( :eek: & :) ) i ask the applicants for a little bit patience concerning an expected answer.
Greetings
Horus
paolo escobar
12-04-05, 19:55
I think that the 6 months thing is a bare minimum, they probably want people that have 1 to 2 years+.
No i think that is wrong, experience is essential ofcourse. However i think the idea of 1 to 2+ years smells of elitist pwnzor, been here since beta attitude.
What i think is more important is that the applicants really want to devote time and effort to helping new comers to nc. I dont exactly think the new players will need full details on how to drone in mc5, or raid crp will they????
As long as they hav an accurate general knolege of neocron i think they will be able to service the needs of our new friends more than adequately.
There are plenty of people with less than a years playing time under their belt that could still provide all the information and help to new players that anyone else with much more nc experience could.
Transformer
12-04-05, 20:48
No i think that is wrong, experience is essential ofcourse. However i think the idea of 1 to 2+ years smells of elitist pwnzor, been here since beta attitude.
What i think is more important is that the applicants really want to devote time and effort to helping new comers to nc. I dont exactly think the new players will need full details on how to drone in mc5, or raid crp will they????
As long as they hav an accurate general knolege of neocron i think they will be able to service the needs of our new friends more than adequately.
There are plenty of people with less than a years playing time under their belt that could still provide all the information and help to new players that anyone else with much more nc experience could.
exactly
GL to all who applied btw
age limits are not bad, u may be mature for ur age but alot of other people arent and a 14 year old with a capped char trying to help a newbie would be like
newbie: "so....whats this thing in my qb"
newbiehelper: "omg1111one, its a knife, omg11111111"
newbie: "how do i use it"
newbiehelper: "omg1111one, SELECT THE F***ING THING, can i show u my twirly, omg11111one1"
my point being that an age limit decreases the chances of some1 like that or simliar fooling kk and getting an important position where they can affect the opinions and feelings (about the game) of other people :)
Umm I have not seen anyone in my whole time playing Neocron see somone speak like that.
Jesterthegreat
12-04-05, 22:15
@ Transformer: if you are seriously interested in this job, then do not hessitate, and write an application.
Basically we can be met in de MC5 area (beginner area of course ;) ).
Additional to that we will have a look at the 'new runners corner'.
Generally our job will be to help the (really) new runners to get on with the game (for example giving hints for further gameplay or telling, how to do certain things).
hmm... I'd apply... totally willing to do it... but i have 4 chars i use regularly, no mc5 chars, and only 1 account...
Umm I have not seen anyone in my whole time playing Neocron see somone speak like that.
Yeah.. I take it he was exaggerating there :p
...more familiar is the "You should really take out the LE.. lotsa fun!!!" "select genrep by pressing m2" dialog :rolleyes:
...overall I think this Newbie-Helper thing is a very good idea. It's not new and it failed before, but it's definitly worth the effort as Neocron is all but easy for day-0 beginners. Some helpful ppl arround who are there to give advice and even more important to explain the basic game-mechanics do make a big difference to people trying out the game. http://neocron.jafc.de/images/icons/icon14.gif
/edit 4 jester: I dont find a single remark aimed at age in that post of mine and I wouldnt step down to saying something along these lines. Age is not a statement itself... at the most it suggest a likeliness ;)
Jesterthegreat
12-04-05, 22:20
Yeah.. I take it he was exaggerating there :p
...more familiar is the "You should really take out the LE.. lotsa fun!!!" "select genrep by pressing m2" dialog :rolleyes:
i know people marries with kids who tell people to remove LE's.
i know 14 year olds who actually would help people.
age means nothing. if they were given some kinda power i would hope for a 18 minimum (legally responsible, without parents signiture), but the impression i got was that its much like the "mentor" system from many games... no power, just a little tag at the most.
RogerRamjet
12-04-05, 22:21
Hi all,
due to the high amount of applications for this project ( :eek: & :) ) i ask the applicants for a little bit patience concerning an expected answer.
Greetings
Horus
im glad theres lots of people prepared to give up their time for new runners, make me feel fuzzy inside tbfh.
Jesterthegreat
12-04-05, 22:24
shamethey arent adding a 5th slot (or 2nd, or 3rd... depending on server) which is limited to MC5 somehow. as i said i would love to do this... but i use all my chars on a regular basis.
:edit: and before anyone thinks of flaming me due to my pvp / clan actions... dont.
i have done more for / while in this community than alot of people. not once have i said im better for it, and i still dont... but im not "just a pker"
Dribble Joy
12-04-05, 22:26
I personnally think that 6 months is not enough, that's all.
Jesterthegreat
12-04-05, 22:28
I personnally think that 6 months is not enough, that's all.
the same as age... i know people who have played long time, but have large gaps in their game knowledge.
i know people fairly new... who know a hell of alot.
RogerRamjet
12-04-05, 22:37
Perhaps he means your character will be teleported into the beginner MC5.
Jesterthegreat
12-04-05, 22:42
Perhaps he means your character will be teleported into the beginner MC5.
again... with all 4 chars in heavy usage i couldnt keep a char there.
unless they added the MC5 gr to my gr list... then i could go there and help as and when i wanted...
could use my (still) LE'd spy to do it.
can i get some kinda feedback from the HN guy or a mod / dev? if you are swampped with aplications i dont wanna add another one if i then get chosen and turn it down because i would have to reroll one of my chars.
RogerRamjet
12-04-05, 22:51
Yeh that would help, a GR straight in.
Transformer
12-04-05, 23:40
they should start replying soon, or at least sending notifactions back to you saying that they got your email or what not...i hope...
trigger hurt
13-04-05, 03:15
Age limits are bad. I've been playing since Beta4 NC1, that's... what, four years experience? And i'm 14 right now.
I'd be signing up if it weren't for the fact my characters are hackers and Hacknet is still broken...
3 years :p. Unless you lied about your age when you signed the NDA during NC1 closed beta.
@KK - Good to see. Hope it works out and that it gets properly supported. Systems like this in other games have proved worth their weight in gold time and time again.
you're under 18, you can get a parent or guardian to sign any NDAs for youWrong and also irrelevant.
I seriously doubt these volunteers will have access to anything that requires an NDA. At most they may be asked to agree to a set of procedural rules for handling requests (ie reporting and ticketing) but that seems unecessary and unlikely.
As for the other positions where KK have applied age limits there are very good reasons to do so and if they did not act in such an approprate manner they would be open to all manner of criticism.
/edit @DJ - I agree. It may exclude a few people that are capable (and still include others that aren't) but in general terms experience does correlate to knowledge and it follows that a higher limit (within reason) will improve the average quality of candidate.
I think we also need a newbee PVP specialist to answer any PVP questions ie the ins and outs of PVP..and now for the best part we get all the applicants for this job into Neofrag and the last one standing wins this position :) :)
I think we also need a newbee PVP specialist to answer any PVP questions ie the ins and outs of PVP..and now for the best part we get all the applicants for this job into Neofrag and the last one standing wins this position :) :)
i don't think, that a pvp specialist will be necessary, because a real new runner has to struggle with the game itself.
Further to that, he has got the Law Enforcer inside, so PvP is - in my humble oppinion - not an issue for newbie helpers, where they have to be specialists.
And i'm sure, that a newbie helper will not say "remove your LE", because that's the worst thing a newbie can do. O_o
trigger hurt
13-04-05, 18:40
I think we also need a newbee PVP specialist to answer any PVP questions ie the ins and outs of PVP..and now for the best part we get all the applicants for this job into Neofrag and the last one standing wins this position :) :)
The newbies don't need the burden of understanding PvP that early on in their time playing Neocron. What they do need to understand is that if you remove the Law Enforcer, someone will eventually kill you. This person might be in an enemy faction or in an allied or neutral faction.
This needs to be explained to them and they need to understand that it's ok to run around with their law enforcer in until they are ready to defend themselves.
There is far too much to know about the pvp side of things that you can't just throw it at someone and expect them to get it.
Con Setups, Armor Setups, Weapon choices, slotted heals/shelter/deflector/etc, slotted weapons. There is far too much in that area for anyone to be able to describe it to a newbie. If they want to know about pvp, they'll just have to see it first hand.
hi,
we got a very high amount of applications, and we thank you
for your great interest in this project.
Please do not to send any more applications from now on.
Thank you.
Greetings
Horus
Hi,
there are still applications being sent to us. Therefore sorry for writing this:
Please do not send any more applications for the newbie helper project!
Thank you.
Due to a filled personal appointment calendar for next week, it might be, that it will take some days before the applicants will receive further informations from me.
Greetings
Horus
just out of curiosity, could I have my question on one of the previous pages of this thread answered at some point?
I really would like to know..
Will there be a citycom list of the newbie helpers so people can contact them through that?
Will the newbie helpers ingame chars be written somewhere here on forum?
Atm using ingame Help channel with constant attention would be a way, but actually not every noob is thinking at this one first (or may want to have access to a more user-friendly one). Using a list on a forums wouldn't do anything as far as many players are not really reading them (or won't even use them for months).
I think your question was : "Which way(s) of communication would answer the best (and fastest) to any noob looking for help ?", then perhaps "How may a newbiehelper technically find his children in the mass ?"
Dribble Joy
15-04-05, 20:28
It depends on the powers of the newbie helpers, if they can't move from MC5 then their usefullness is limited.
Will there be a citycom list of the newbie helpers so people can contact them through that?
Will the newbie helpers ingame chars be written somewhere here on forum?
As far as i know now: No. But i intend to post a list here, if we have build up the team. Let's see ...
On the other hand we will have a look on the help channel, so that would be a possibility to contact us.
Dribble Joy
22-04-05, 21:37
When will people hear back about this?
When will people hear back about this?
In 2 weeks :D
Theyve dumped the whole 'when its ready' technique
When will people hear back about this?
In 2 weeks :D
Theyve dumped the whole 'when its ready' technique
:D
slightly different
Like you all i've got a real live :eek: . I just returned from a seminar, where i was not able to work on this project.
enigma_b17
25-04-05, 17:50
Havent heard a thing about this since i sent in an appy ;) just wondering whats goin on, apart from the delay getting back to people (any eta on that btw?)
Havent heard a thing about this since i sent in an appy ;) just wondering whats goin on, apart from the delay getting back to people (any eta on that btw?)
all the applications have been read and evaluated, we have choosen some candidates, and now we are preparing the mails. All, who send an application via e-mail, should receive a reply this week.
enigma_b17
25-04-05, 18:12
:o
ok thx for the info :)
How do u use your weapons?
Please help can't play the game until i know how to do this.
Only on a 10 day trial.
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
enigma_b17
26-04-05, 00:28
well its sort of the wrong place for it, but u simply press a button (ie 1-0) make sure u have ammo in your inventory and that ur gun is loaded with ammo to start off with (ie drag a clip from ur inventory to ur gun) and u should be ok.
How do u use your weapons?
Please help can't play the game until i know how to do this.
Only on a 10 day trial.
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Check out the New Runners Corner thread - I posted an answer there. Thanks.
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Jesterthegreat
26-04-05, 13:27
well its sort of the wrong place for it.
if he didnt read the thread, just the thread title, its an easy mistake to make i guess
enigma_b17
26-04-05, 13:35
if he didnt read the thread, just the thread title, its an easy mistake to make i guess
hence why i said "sort of" :)
Hey did it do somthing like AO or can you maybe do somthing like ao sorta cool all new accounts / new char on it you warp to them offer them help. Maybe also tours and stuff ;P
Doc Holliday
27-04-05, 19:19
is the helper guide thing now closed? ive only just been able to get my forum account back despite my game account being active for a month or so. any chance of a late application being submitted? horus? nidster?
Dribble Joy
27-04-05, 19:20
My god, I thought you were dead....
Doc Holliday
27-04-05, 19:34
My god, I thought you were dead....
lol. not dead. not in love with the community as it stands either. me quiting was the best thing i could have done at the time and i dont regret doing it. what did kinda piss me off was the scathing reviews of a game i used to love. so i decided to see if its poss i can volunteer for the newbie helper thing in my spare time. i have a little of it atm in between playing a few other things. i stopped by nc once in a blue moon to see whats going off. cant quite bring myself to play again but would still like to do something for the community.
that about sums it up. my bro might play again and if he does i might but till then i will go back to my cave and troll there a while :)
peace to all of you even vae victis. it wasnt hard to figure out who you are.
Dribble Joy
27-04-05, 20:08
Well PM horus, see if you can get in.
Afaik, he has exam stuff atm (as many of us do) so it's not progressing much atm anyway.
Doc Holliday
27-04-05, 20:20
i pmed nid already i will see what happens. cheers anyways.
The mails have been sent now. Eveyone sending an application via email should have received a reply now.
We do not accept further applications, i'm very sorry :(
Doc Holliday
27-04-05, 21:33
The mails have been sent now. Eveyone sending an application via email should have received a reply now.
We do not accept further applications, i'm very sorry :(
ok worth a shot. nid if u see this before the pm ignore it. nice 1 anyways horus.
Yay - "reserve". Although I think what the email means to say "through the broken english) is thanks but no thanks.
Hello,
thank you for your application. We received many of them,
and we had to select only a few. That wasn't easy.
Unfortunatelly you are not one of them. But we will
remember your application in case of perhaps needing more
people in future.
Greetings
NH Horus
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When ever I try to do something nice...they leave little Nobby out... this letter...I made my German class, only 1 person came...... :(
Thanks Dave for coming anyway. You're the nicest person ever and you have a lot of patience with me. thanks :)
so who's the noob helpers ?
"through the broken english)
English is not my native language, and i'm doing my best to
use it in the correct way. I'm very sorry in case of making
any mistakes. 8|
.
so who's the noob helpers ?
they already know ;)
.
i meant if the list would be public or what
hopefully didnt pick idiots to be the helpers :)
Doc Holliday
01-05-05, 18:02
i meant if the list would be public or what
hopefully didnt pick idiots to be the helpers :)
thats why my account is active :angel:
so where can we find these n00b helpers? do they have GM rights? do they have god_mode? can we r0x them?
so where can we find these n00b helpers?
very soon: Area MC5 (Beginner Area)
do they have GM rights?
AFAIK No.
do they have god_mode?
LawEnforcer implanted ;)
can we r0x them?
What do you mean with "r0x". Shoting, killing and annoying us? o_O
Is that the reason for asking, if we will have god_mode?
Any attempt to grief the newbie helpers will be seen as an attempt to financially impact the company. We don't like that...
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Doc Holliday
04-05-05, 18:40
Any attempt to grief the newbie helpers will be seen as an attempt to financially impact the company. We don't like that...
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Cookie for the first person who makes sig out of that little gem. You can imagine what comes next.
Jesterthegreat
04-05-05, 21:00
Any attempt to grief the newbie helpers will be seen as an attempt to financially impact the company. We don't like that...
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trying to kill is griefing now?
Any attempt to grief the newbie helpers will be seen as an attempt to financially impact the company. We don't like that...
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sorry but i am CM killing is Roleplaying for me, witch is 1 of the things you promote in this game, now its not allowed?
pretty gay man...
Your not aloud to grief or harras the GM or Devs are you? and since the newbie helpers are sort of "volunteer employees" in the same way as GMs and a majority of people in the Ceres Project are....id think it was logical to assume you cant harras the Official Newbie Helpers either......O_o
Jesterthegreat
04-05-05, 21:05
Your not aloud to grief or harras the GM or Devs are you? and since the newbie helpers are sort of "volunteer employees" in the same way as GMs and a majority of people in the Ceres Project are....id think it was logical to assume you cant harras the Official Newbie Helpers either......O_o
as i siad... trying to kill qualifies as griefing now?
why not just make the whole game a safezone?
What do you mean with "r0x". Shoting, killing and annoying us? o_O
Is that the reason for asking, if we will have god_mode?
I think Nid was meaning more this part was 'griefing' as you cant kill them anyway...LE.....
Jesterthegreat
04-05-05, 21:09
being annoying is griefing then?
i got a list of "griefers" in my ignore box then...
Obsidian X
04-05-05, 21:09
sorry but i am CM killing is Roleplaying for me, witch is 1 of the things you promote in this game, now its not allowed?
pretty gay man...
Its probably not roleplay - I doubt the City Mercs would take out contracts on members of the KK support team... :rolleyes:
Edit: Besides which, Horus stated that the Newbie Helpers are living inside Newbie MC5 - you won't be able to go there to "r0x" anyone anyway, so I don't see what the problem is.
Jesterthegreat
04-05-05, 21:11
Its probably not roleplay - I doubt the City Mercs would take out contracts on members of the KK support team... :rolleyes:
in rp terms they arent part of a kk support team.
and, speaking as a cm, i will kill whoever i have a contract on if at all possible...
and no i dont disclose the contract details to you or anyone :p
Obsidian X
04-05-05, 21:22
in rp terms they arent part of a kk support team.
How do you figure? Look at Horus's signature. I'm pretty sure it says "Voluntary Helper, Neocron Support Team". Your half-assed attempt at RP doesn't make them exempt from rules regarding Support staff; they aren't "normal" runners, hence aren't under RP jurisdiction. And they're at MC5 anyway.
Jesterthegreat
04-05-05, 21:43
How do you figure? Look at Horus's signature. I'm pretty sure it says "Voluntary Helper, Neocron Support Team". Your half-assed attempt at RP doesn't make them exempt from rules regarding Support staff; they aren't "normal" runners, hence aren't under RP jurisdiction. And they're at MC5 anyway.
im the one with "half assed RP"?
your the one using their RL title in an RP sense. simply put in an RP sense they are people there to help others... but in RP terms kk doesnt even exsist.
get a clue before you attempt to flame me.
Obsidian X
04-05-05, 21:46
im the one with "half assed RP"?
your the one using their RL title in an RP sense. simply put in an RP sense they are people there to help others... but in RP terms kk doesnt even exsist.
get a clue before you attempt to flame me.
So where do GMs fit into your skewed vision of "RP" then? I'm not wasting my time with this anymore, you're just arguing purely for the sake of it, the fact is you spat your dummy out becuase you can't kill people who have been appointed to help newbs, deal with it.
Would it really hurt your heads to think just for 1 second?
You wouldnt attempt to kill a GM trying to find a solution for your lost mc5 chips, or your suddenly lost woc lvl? would you?
Why would you want to kill people trying to help new runners that you can later kill?
You´re not afraid of a little competition now are you?
GMs have godmode, otherwise they would be hunted down and be dead all the time, and they stay invisible so they wont get rammed down with a million tells and plz gimme this or plz kill that, or send me there, do this do that, sex me.
If they weren´t godlike and invisible, they wouldn´t have time to help anyone, and i think anyone that has a problem would like some help, no matter how long they´ve played.
So why even bother try to kill them?
Why not just for once think, would I want them to kill me, when I called them to help me?
As said, you wouldn´t try to kill a person helping you when you lost your most valuable item. And if you would, you deserve to be ignored, and then I have but 1 thing to tell you.
I´m glad you lost it.
ok, here some word from me (it's my personal view of this topic):
We as Newbiehelpers are in the MC5 in order to help the new people to get along with the "new" game. Despite the fact, that we also belong to a faction, this does not say anything. We will help any newbie in MC5 regardeless of the faction.
We are NOT a kind of new enemy or new mob.
Keep in mind, that we are spending our free time to help you without being payed. We do it voluntarily. If someone is 'griefing' us (the NewbieHelpers) (and Nidhogg wrote "newbiehelper", not "any player"!), we will sure loose our engagement. In this case you are destroying a helpfull service for Newbies.
As far as i know we are not part of the story. But if you want us somehow implemented in the story, then i suggest following: We could be some kind of "nurses", taking care of the people awaking in the MC5.
By the way: The NewbieHelpers will remain in the MC5-Area. We can not be met outside.
I hope this (personal view) cleared the topic.
Jesterthegreat
05-05-05, 08:41
if anyone reading this can quote me saying that i want to kill them then please do now.
no?
ok... thats one thing sorted then.
2. if a GM is RPing... such as playing the part od ronald rodriguez... he doesnt walk around saying "i r teh gm, i r teh kk... respect me". GM's have a far better grasp of rp than you seem to obs. if you think that a GM, not rping, just working fits into rp... if you think that your rp is so much leeter... i pity you.
:edit: obs... dunno if i killed you to offend you or something... but try to read my posts, not just my name.
:edit: obs... dunno if i killed you to offend you or something... but try to read my posts, not just my name.
hahahahaha
sorry, its too hard ;)
on a serious note though, you have worked hard for your current reputation so you should expect that really.
Jesterthegreat
05-05-05, 13:41
hahahahaha
sorry, its too hard ;)
on a serious note though, you have worked hard for your current reputation so you should expect that really.
i also post alot of things. did i say i wanted to kill the helpers? no.
in fact i was considering applying... and would have if you were given a 1 slot account or some such (im all for helping peeps, but im not up for deletin one of my chars to do it).
check the help forum... i post helpful things. simply put when i post here, other than some RP posts, im not my ingame character.
if people are too simple to read the post, and cant see past my name / clan... well... thats just sad.
Obsidian X
05-05-05, 13:53
if anyone reading this can quote me saying that i want to kill them then please do now.
*Sighs*
You'd make a great politician or lawyer someday you know. Everyone knows thats what you were saying implicitly but I can't quote it because you didn't say it explicitly.
2. if a GM is RPing... such as playing the part od ronald rodriguez... he doesnt walk around saying "i r teh gm, i r teh kk... respect me". GM's have a far better grasp of rp than you seem to obs. if you think that a GM, not rping, just working fits into rp... if you think that your rp is so much leeter... i pity you.
You're referring to the Ceres project there. Ceres Project members have GM characters for roleplay purposes, EGMs RP to a lesser extent. I was actually referring to Suport GMs, which you conviniently left out of your argument. Example: Carbonite fixing peoples hair in Tech Haven, how is that RP, how is that part of the storyline? Is Carbonite Roleplaying a hairdresser (dressed as a copbot for that matter)?
Exactly, thats not RP, thats Neocron Support.. Horus has said that Newbie Helpers aren't a part of the storyline, therefore trying to justify killing/annoying them with RP seems a bit silly, don't you think?
:edit: obs... dunno if i killed you to offend you or something... but try to read my posts, not just my name
Whoa, sorry to deflate your ego there friend, I know you've worked hard for your reputation as the big, bad evil PKer but I really couldn't give a toss. I'm not having a go because you've killed me in the past (which wouldn't bother me if you had, its a game after all, but afaik our characters have never really crossed paths), but it does wind me up when people try and destroy community incentives like the Newbie Helper Project that aren't harming anybody.
Jesterthegreat
05-05-05, 13:56
shamethey arent adding a 5th slot (or 2nd, or 3rd... depending on server) which is limited to MC5 somehow. as i said i would love to do this... but i use all my chars on a regular basis.
:edit: and before anyone thinks of flaming me due to my pvp / clan actions... dont.
i have done more for / while in this community than alot of people. not once have i said im better for it, and i still dont... but im not "just a pker"
saves re-writing the message...
1. i was willing to take part in this... not stop it.
2. i asked if you considered trying to kill someone as "griefing" because that idea, imo, is stupid.
3. read the rest of that quote, i cba to make loads of points.
internet is gendered, overemotional medium, so your rational deduction doesnt change anything here.
You have implied that you want to engage (along with kuya) into some disrupting actions against newbie helpers. That simply made people a little mad at you. That's all
Your explanation is right of course, no one hasnt done anything wrong here really. Its just you and kuya suggested (implicitly of course) some nasty plans concerning newbie helpers. Maybe u didnt mean it at all - but this is where your reputation comes into play :p People assumed too much and you didnt deny it (at least not explicitly ;)
Jesterthegreat
05-05-05, 19:26
internet is gendered, overemotional medium, so your rational deduction doesnt change anything here.
You have implied that you want to engage (along with kuya) into some disrupting actions against newbie helpers. That simply made people a little mad at you. That's all
Your explanation is right of course, no one hasnt done anything wrong here really. Its just you and kuya suggested (implicitly of course) some nasty plans concerning newbie helpers. Maybe u didnt mean it at all - but this is where your reputation comes into play :p People assumed too much and you didnt deny it (at least not explicitly ;)
since i said in an early post i dont have any chars i would delete... its unlikely i have access to the noob MC5 and couldnt attack them even if i wanted to.
rational thought > internet
**looks at the last few pages of this thread**
**looks at PC Zone next to monitor**
**nods**
Scanner Darkly
05-05-05, 20:55
Some people just have too much time on their hands.
Oh wai
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