View Full Version : Roll play . . . A new take on denial.
I ahve played pencil and paper games on and off for well over 15 years now in all variety of genres. Sitting for hours, sometimes days in the same spot on the couch, smoking, eating Dorittos and drinkin Mountain Dew. All the while, not really RPing, jsut playing a game. This then progressed to MMO's online. From within the first 15 days of Asherons Calls' launch, I was irrefutibally hooked. THe name, MMO was funny to me, I was killin bad guys and such with buddies. We weren't shouting out "Hail, me friends are slaying blahblahblah . .", donning big, floppy brimmed hats and wooded swords. Just llikeminded folks, killin shit and havin fun. No harm, no foul.
Fastforward to now . . .
So, there is a war atm in the Dome between some factions. FF, Blood,, Dark, KoS, etc. Many posts were exchanged in the Terra section of the forums. As I was interacting with the thread and posting and whatnot, something occured to me.
That, rollplay, in and of itself takes many, MANY forms. And most, FAR more subtle than I had ever thought through to. The image floating in my head of "Rollplayers" were dorks, dressed in ratty old, "period" clothes, running through the steam tunnels @ University of Michigan and accidently killing someone while RP'ing D&D. This happened many many moons ago, when I was but a rather woung buck. None the less, this is the image I have carried in my head when the word Roll Player comes up. But, this morning the true detail of RP really came crashing through my frail and cracked walls of denial. Just the act of hunting a pro city down to kill him, can on some levels be construed as RP.
The thread in the RP area about the FF/Blood thing really helped me see this in a different light. Having said that, it is time for mne to come clean, come out of the closet and annouce . .
I, too, enjoy the more subtle aspects of RP.
:angel:
Jesterthegreat
28-03-05, 16:58
role playing is playing a role... its that simple.
it doesnt have to mean having a silly accent and being in a group.
it doesnt have to mean sitting in a fast food playe in plaza 2.
it doesnt have to be liked by the community.
it just has to be your role ingame.
my PE? hes loves a fair fight. he loves to duel people in neofrag.
my APU? he attampts to help his clan in the fight against anti city by assisting in fights for outposts.
my tank will do the same as my apu, hopefully much better.
my rifle spy... well he will be one of those people you love to hate :p
my rifle spy intends to kill as many anti city dogs as possible... wirh the minumum risk to himself possible
Just the act of hunting a pro city down to kill him, can on some levels be construed as RP.
Nice post :)
/me pull Jorille
Digital-Talios
28-03-05, 17:52
Roleplaying is fun. It doesnt mean you have to run down a player with a foam sword. My roleplaying can be known by reading my signature. Its fun roleplaying a fanatic :angel:
Hell-demon
28-03-05, 17:57
Roleplay how you want. You can be anyone you want and do the things you want (with in reason and game limitations). I myself am an open minded roleplayer, on the one hand you might assume I'm roleplaying a different persona and on the other hand you may think I'm being myself. This ambiguity is up for interpretation so I'm a mix of rolelayer and norm :rolleyes:
I've roleplayed Jack Drake for a long time.
My character is selfish and violent. Roleplaying in a cyberpunk game isn't being all extra nice and tradeskilling. I've ranted about this many times here on the forums in the past. I guess you can roleplay a nice kind, anti-violence, tradeskiller BUT that sure isn't what I imagine when I think about a harsh cyberpunk world.
I believe that Jest, Kirja, and I played a great example of how one could roleplay a harsh criminal character on Pluto. It was a ton of fun and full of pvp.
I ran an event (NC1) where I (different character not Jack) kidnapped the City Admin FC. I bribed a noob to lie and get him into the outzone (all roleplayed) and my clan took him away at gunpoint. We disarmed him and everything, he really had no idea we had this whole event planned. I kept him in my apartment in the outzone and my clan and sorta beat the shit out of him :D It was really fun and people who normally didn't roleplay at all would *spits in face* and such. He went along with everything. In the end after several days we had the information we wanted and drove him out to the big junkyard/pit in the wastelands and left him there to die. It was done very well and by far the most rewarding event I've done in any game.
Here is another example (NC1 Pluto). The City Merc FC got a good sized group of CM players together in vehicles to escort a shippment to Neocron. They had no idea that the Black Dragon FC was getting BD players together to meet them at a crossing and grab the shipment. Black Dragon setup on the road with 3 revelers and we had people standing on hills/buildings at the crossing where CM was going to pass. They ran right into us and one of the best fights I've ever had took place.
Anyways... Roleplaying is very possible in NC. Players should try harder. This stuff is still possible just contact GMs.
You don't have to be a tradeskilling LE wearing pussy.
Hell-demon
28-03-05, 20:03
If you mean Kirja as in Kirja Iljusha she was anything but mean... In fact she saved me from a horde of mutants. After that i did odd jobs for her :rolleyes: Good times
If you mean Kirja as in Kirja Iljusha she was anything but mean... In fact she saved me from a horde of mutants. After that i did odd jobs for her :rolleyes: Good times
Hm, she could be quite rude to some people in character :p but not everyone of course.
Bugs Gunny
28-03-05, 20:57
Ah, another roleplayer not afraid to admit it :-)
One thing i would like to try one day is be a cop in cityadmin.
Funnies thing i ever saw was "TEH LAW" and their drugbust on Castoff, the templars clanleader.
My first role-playing experience in Neocron was right after I got my CA epic PA. I was in the clan NCPD at the time and we always role-played NCPD officers. I got a call from someone I met in Plaza a couple of days before, Trillian. She told me to come to her apartment, she needed police assistance.
When I got there (in my PA), Kirja was in Trillian's apartment and wouldn't leave after a drug deal that apparantly didn't go well. I threatened Kirja to leave and she ended up attacking and killing me, but I got her dogtag after Trillian killed her.
Was great fun! :)
Hell-demon
28-03-05, 21:33
Kirja is one of the best roleplayers. I did some runs for her delivering info and such to other faction councelors. She then recruits me to be a snitch on City Mercs. Next thing I know i'm riding my hover bike behind a City Merc convoy that was in the infamous event where there was a show down between anti city and City Mercs and Admin. I was the one feeding info to Kirja telling her the where abouts of the convoy and their aproximation to the rest of the group.
Also there was this one time i caught Kirja producing drugs in the middle of now where in the wastelands. I had found her secret drug lab and when she went off to do drug related crime I pocketed her collection of drugs and several pieces of equipment and peddled it to the Falle Angels. What can I say I'm a bastard :angel:
Digital-Talios
28-03-05, 23:15
It would be nice to get a list of peeps together to help create some roleplaying. I have down this for the faithful. Its name is End of Days but its not a clan. Its just a society everyone can join as long as they have a love for Crahn and wish to spread his word by conversion. :angel:
Hell-demon
28-03-05, 23:28
You really are a fanatic O_o
dark_reaper
29-03-05, 00:16
I miss roleplaying in NC. It is always soo much fun. Once my character is capped, when ever that will be. I will restart my clan and start role-playing as a pro-city mob boss. :D
Jake Cutter
29-03-05, 03:59
My first witness of some really good roleplay was back in the early days of NC1 retail.
I saw two PA'd tanks, questioning a psi monk at the Yo's in plaza 2. To observe this bit of roleplay that went on for five minutes or so was quite cool.
I was also witness to a guy in Plaza 4 who was trying to put "the moves" on two female PE's. Classic.
Anyway, past this reminiscing, there are countless opportunities in this game to roleplay.
You can even roleplay a "tradeskilling LE wearing pussy"
Regards,
Jake Cutter
dark_reaper
29-03-05, 06:16
Those were the days. I even remember there was a dating service on pluto. I also think the PE chicks look better in NC1 than NC2.
You can even roleplay a "tradeskilling LE wearing pussy"
Yes :p
I said that because on Pluto for a very long time the "roleplayers" were tradeskill clans and were against pvp and thought it was a childish, immature, play style. They had events like auctions, ran shops, exc. If pvp was ever involved they would cry ban for ruining the roleplay O_o Pissed me off to no end. Yes they were roleplaying BUT not in the right game (imo).
But enough about that I've ranted about it for too long.
Jesterthegreat
29-03-05, 08:34
I also think the PE chicks look better in NC1 than NC2.
duh :p
For me the key to RP (in any form) is being consistent
If you do something 'because you can' or 'because you felt like it' then that [to me] is inconsitent with your character and therefore youre not roleplaying youre just doing what happens to suit you at the time
Consitency also means your character is consistent with the game world, faction etc. Sure there is always room for 'maverick' types in any faction but ultimately you _should_ work within your chosen faction (because they _would_ throw you out if you kept breaking their rules) and for this reason alone allied killing would be a no-no 99% of the time (sure a set of circumstances could develop with an individual that would facilitate allied killing in character)
For the same reasons a confrontation between 'enemies' shouldnt/wouldnt always result in combat........
Jesterthegreat
29-03-05, 13:14
For me the key to RP (in any form) is being consistent
If you do something 'because you can' or 'because you felt like it' then that [to me] is inconsitent with your character and therefore youre not roleplaying youre just doing what happens to suit you at the time
Consitency also means your character is consistent with the game world, faction etc. Sure there is always room for 'maverick' types in any faction but ultimately you _should_ work within your chosen faction (because they _would_ throw you out if you kept breaking their rules) and for this reason alone allied killing would be a no-no 99% of the time (sure a set of circumstances could develop with an individual that would facilitate allied killing in character)
For the same reasons a confrontation between 'enemies' shouldnt/wouldnt always result in combat........
RP is not blindly following F6...
it can be if thats how you choose to play... but it doesnt have to be.
RP is not blindly following F6...
it can be if thats how you choose to play... but it doesnt have to be.I would frase that differently:
It should be the standard way to play, but it doesn't always have to.
I mean, there's a reason we have factions and factions standings.
In the best of games the sympaties should be based on the activities ingame by all runners. If that was the case in NC, some factions should by now be red (or at least yellow) to themselves. That is, enemy (neutral) to self. And such a faction would in RL go under by internal conflict.
Why should it be tolerated here?
Because it is possible?? That's just lame, imho!
But yes, a few runners could be spies/infiltrators. But then they should try to rp it. Kill runners when noone sees it, 'sell info' (BP's, Faction items etc) to home faction. And if (s)he get cought, (s)he should leave faction. Or the members should be able to kick the runner from their faction.
No company/faction would keep someone who keep killing their workers/runners or in other ways work against it.
That's how I see it.
Jesterthegreat
29-03-05, 19:18
I would frase that differently:
It should be the standard way to play, but it doesn't always have to.
I mean, there's a reason we have factions and factions standings.
In the best of games the sympaties should be based on the activities ingame by all runners. If that was the case in NC, some factions should by now be red (or at least yellow) to themselves. That is, enemy (neutral) to self. And such a faction would in RL go under by internal conflict.
Why should it be tolerated here?
Because it is possible?? That's just lame, imho!
But yes, a few runners could be spies/infiltrators. But then they should try to rp it. Kill runners when noone sees it, 'sell info' (BP's, Faction items etc) to home faction. And if (s)he get cought, (s)he should leave faction. Or the members should be able to kick the runner from their faction.
No company/faction would keep someone who keep killing their workers/runners or in other ways work against it.
That's how I see it.
i never said you should be able to use the "cos i can" excuse :p
and i have no problem with adding Anarchy Breed for people to be moved to.
Dribble Joy
29-03-05, 19:40
You should be able to do anything. But if you do, then you should not complain when you have to face the consequences.
As it stands there are no/little consequences to most actions in NC.
I would prefer people with bad own-faction symp to go factionless, AB is a faction in it's own right, not a 'red to all' gank fest group.
I also think the PE chicks look better in NC1 than NC2.
mainly because they had hair back then :p
Jesterthegreat
30-03-05, 02:09
You should be able to do anything. But if you do, then you should not complain when you have to face the consequences.
As it stands there are no/little consequences to most actions in NC.
I would prefer people with bad own-faction symp to go factionless, AB is a faction in it's own right, not a 'red to all' gank fest group.
if they made factionless properly (isnt it allied to some atm?) and made it so very easy missions were doable regardless of symps (so you can rejoin the faction system) then i wouldnt mind this.
also factionless is neutral, not hostile... so stop copbots / doy guards shooting kosing them
Dribble Joy
30-03-05, 02:33
It was just a broard outline, the whole system needs to be reworked.
It should be the standard way to play, but it doesn't always have to.
I mean, there's a reason we have factions and factions standings.
Just to quote 5150, maybe F6 makes killing-any-ally (or neutral) more consistent, as far as abusing it (random pking) would turn it into inconsistency. But I'm not sure we do really agree about consistency's meaning there :eek:
Obsidian X
30-03-05, 04:17
Having thought about it, I much preferred the NC1 faction symps system, seemed to make a lot more sense than NC2's (ok in pro-city we've finally started to see some co-operation recently), but having cross-faction complex loyalties made for a far more interesting RP experience than the simple "Red vs Blue" system in NC2. (Allied ganking tended not to be a problem in NC1 as you had enough enemies right next door in the very same city).
Just my opinion of course, and I know many will disagree.
Just my opinion of course, and I know many will disagree.
I don't.
yeah actually i think most people agree with that :)
Jesterthegreat
30-03-05, 08:51
yeah actually i think most people agree with that :)
yeah enemies all over the place, the complex faction relations... thats one of the things that made NC unique...
i can get red vs blue anyday (DAoC - red vs blue vs green, WoW - red vs blue, AO - red vs blue with some random shit in the middle, NC was crazy ;))
yeah i preferred the NC1 relations too, i think the whole red vs blue this was sorta a hotfix for the an enemy bringing an allie who was also and allie to you thing...was much more interesting back then
RP is not blindly following F6...
Neither is it totally ignoring it ;-)
Did I not put in an example where it would be possible to break the F6 'rules'?
The point being that this attitude would/should be the exception not the rule
Ah, another roleplayer not afraid to admit it :-)
One thing i would like to try one day is be a cop in cityadmin.
Funnies thing i ever saw was "TEH LAW" and their drugbust on Castoff, the templars clanleader.
Is the website still to be found? Because I can't find it anywhere. That was an ingenious bit of work and well worth another read :)
Jesterthegreat
30-03-05, 19:21
F6 is not enforced... so why should anyone expect people to follow.
people will RP how they want within the ingame rules
Scaramanga
31-03-05, 00:43
I chose to blindly follow F6 as it makes the game easier for me and fits in with the whole DoY vs Neocron city theme of the game. This is the extent to which i chose to RP.
On a side note, if NC was meant to be pure deathmatch, wouldn't the soul light system and faction sympathys be removed?
Jesterthegreat
31-03-05, 01:50
On a side note, if NC was meant to be pure deathmatch, wouldn't the soul light system and faction sympathys be removed?
i didnt see a post saying everyone should kill everyone... please point me to it.
F6 is not enforced... so why should anyone expect people to follow.
people will RP how they want within the ingame rules
I thought it was pretty apparent that the game tries to enforce/encourage F6 (soulight, faction symp etc etc) its just that its not particularly good at it [yet]
Jesterthegreat
31-03-05, 13:17
well as a dev has said that ally killing is morally incorrect, but not against the rules i would say its not enforced, merely encouraged (at the moment anyway)
I think my biggest problem with RP in NC is simply that your own skill limits (to an extent) what you can roleplay. I mean, it's all very well roleplaying a cold-blooded killer, but if you can't hit the broad side of a barn with a 12 guage, the character is only going to be believable up until that first - and fatal - firefight. I think that's probably why a lot of roleplayers were tradeskillers (the irony being that many of them are actually quite good at PvP now..) but even if they weren't, it's perfectly viable as a roleplaying option.
The way I see it, you can roleplay within the (F6) system or you can roleplay without it; As long as you are taking on a persona that you do not identify as being yourself, and you can interact with others through that role in a consitant manner, then you are roleplaying.
And Helldemon, remember this? (http://www.freewillstation.net/uhoh.jpg)
well as a dev has said that ally killing is morally incorrect, but not against the rules i would say its not enforced, merely encouraged (at the moment anyway)
How do you figure its encouraged?
Dribble Joy
31-03-05, 14:32
There is little in the way of consequence in killing allies/neutrals. SL is easy enough to get back.
Also, there is virtually nothing to encourage people to seek out hostiles. People have to go all the way to DoY or hang about at an OP or MB.
So much easier to just step out of your house and gank the nearest person.
So its simply easier - but not actually encouraged (i.e. there no incentive to do it, just a disincentive to find an enemy)
There is little in the way of consequence in killing allies/neutrals. SL is easy enough to get back.
Also, there is virtually nothing to encourage people to seek out hostiles. People have to go all the way to DoY or hang about at an OP or MB.
So much easier to just step out of your house and gank the nearest person.
I totally agree on this one. And I do believe this is the biggest reason NC1 worked better. Everyone (almost) lived in the same city. Now the 'enemies' lives too far away (for some), so people turn on their allies.
Make it so that the one taking a Res-mssion have to do the Ressing, and doing missions doesn't gain as much SL (especially when your on neg). The best way to gain SL should be by killing enemies (perhaps the only one, except time). Problem is accidental kills. But this has been discussed before.
From a stricktly OOC standpoint . . .
The current SL/FacSym system inplace is completely unable to stop, curtail or limit the war between Blood and FF. The ramifications that we (blood) deal with are others inaccurate/uninformed perceptions of us as allied gankers who kill simply/only greens.
I didnt play NC1, so I don't understand the differences between this system and that one. That being the case I cannot speak intrelligently to the differneeces or what may work better from a game mechanics standpoint to help limit this type of thing.
On second thought, with the rich history the NC has to draw from (the actual RP reasoning and validaiton for our war with FF) it is nice having the flexability to create in a dynamic, ever changing environment. Cuz, as with the real world, there is room for movement and flexability.
This is all kind of exploding in my head as I type, but why do we feel we need ther sl/facsym system has to work to keep the player base inline? That isn't the ohnly solution to the eprceived problemn that is intended to address . . .
@all - Some great idea sand such shared here oin regards to your ewxpierences with RP ingame. And you ahve given me great fuel with which to create and re-create the chars I play. I can simply and easuily goivbe them more life and its wild that I ahve more of a picture in mind of how my papre and pencil chars are/act/think than I do with my in game chars . . .
Jesterthegreat
31-03-05, 19:05
How do you figure its encouraged?
i meant the f6 is encouraged, not enforced
Scaramanga
02-04-05, 17:51
i didnt see a post saying everyone should kill everyone... please point me to it.
Never said there was a post saying everyone should kill everyone (else).
My point is that if the soullight system is meant to actually mean anything then it shouldn't allow runners to kill others (who are not in enemy fations)and not have any real punishment.
If people chose to ignore F6 then they are taking part in a pure combat game that doesnt involve any kind of city versus city struggle. No RP, just fighting. This is what i would define as a deathmatch.
Jesterthegreat
02-04-05, 20:07
Never said there was a post saying everyone should kill everyone (else).
My point is that if the soullight system is meant to actually mean anything then it shouldn't allow runners to kill others (who are not in enemy fations)and not have any real punishment.
If people chose to ignore F6 then they are taking part in a pure combat game that doesnt involve any kind of city versus city struggle. No RP, just fighting. This is what i would define as a deathmatch.
RP doesnt have to be city vs city... it wasnt in NC1 and that was one of the best things about it. the diversity.
Scaramanga
02-04-05, 21:05
RP doesnt have to be city vs city... it wasnt in NC1 and that was one of the best things about it. the diversity.
This isn't NC1, this is NC2 beyond the dome of york.
RP does have to be city versus city as the role you play is that of a member of a city which is at war with the other city, and not itself.
Jesterthegreat
03-04-05, 12:54
This isn't NC1, this is NC2 beyond the dome of york.
RP does have to be city versus city as the role you play is that of a member of a city which is at war with the other city, and not itself.
completely wrong.
RP doesnt have to be doing what you are told at all.
RP is playing a role, which role you play is up to you.
when uPs / NCAT were ally killers i never claimed it was RP... however i was told the following:
"if you want that play a deathmatch, this is an RPG"
people seem to think that blindly following F6 is the only roleplay there is, where as deciding who your enemies are yourself, and generally thinking about what you do instead of following the suggested path is more deathmatch than RP.
people have to get it into their heads that not everything they dont like is "lame".
not everything they want is "needed".
not everything they think is "true".
Scaramanga
03-04-05, 14:25
Totally disagree with you on that, but it's your opinion and im not going to try to change your mind.
Jesterthegreat
03-04-05, 18:41
Totally disagree with you on that, but it's your opinion and im not going to try to change your mind.
so you think RP is limited to red vs blue?
a simple side a vs side b is the only kind of RP?
Scaramanga
03-04-05, 21:26
In the case of NC2, yes i think RP is limited to side a versus side b when it comes to who is eligible for attacking, in my opinion.
(not withstanding the city mercs of course, they aren't really on side a or side b)
This doesn't mean to say that i think the only kind of RP in game is pking, there are many ways ppl can go about RP. Its not just killing your enemies, it's the way you could go about it too. (like having a biker gang, for example).
Some ppl play the game with an le in, this obviously removes all pvp from the game. I've meat several who play as le'ed runners and still RP.
Darkana was one of these, she played as a PPU and RPed as a monk that helped ppl. There are tradeskiller RPers who choose to sell stuff on the cheap to their faction allies ( think Parker Degrisse was one of these).
For me pvp is about city vs city (side a vs side b). RP can take many forms other than fighting for your city gainst the enemy city (as laid out in the faction allies and enemys displayed on F6).
[Edit] Feel free to PM me if you'd like to discuss our differing opinions on ingame RP and pvp so as not to hijack the thread.
No, please keep it here!
I'd like to hear both of your opinions.
My side of it is that F6 should be the norm. But that there are lots of ways/reasons that could breake it. Like infiltrators, rivalry etc.
I'd like the SL hit to be hard and penalized, but only if the crime was 'seen' by other runners or in an area that has surveillance (could be in-cities-like).
Jesterthegreat
03-04-05, 22:17
My side of it is that F6 should be the norm. But that there are lots of ways/reasons that could breake it. Like infiltrators, rivalry etc.
exactly.
in in OOC terms i refuse to let someone hide behind F6. if someone is gonna provoke me i wont just ignore it from an ally.
if i wanna RP someone with a short fuse and lots of anger thats perfectly valid. its a role, and im playing it.
My side of it is that F6 should be the norm.
agree here
But that there are lots of ways/reasons that could breake it. Like infiltrators, rivalry etc.
And this is where the problem begins, how to make first one possible (enforce? encourage?) without making the second impossibly hard... (see below)
I'd like the SL hit to be hard and penalized, but only if the crime was 'seen' by other runners or in an area that has surveillance (could be in-cities-like).
yes, thats logical.
but there are problems here nonetheless, like friendly fire - for example (if u make the SL penalty hard enough it'll be near to impossible to lvl in groups or fight anywhere but in warzones), City Mercs, droners SL bugs and more...
Scaramanga
04-04-05, 19:09
in OOC terms i refuse to let someone hide behind F6. if someone is gonna provoke me i wont just ignore it from an ally.
if i wanna RP someone with a short fuse and lots of anger thats perfectly valid. its a role, and im playing it.
That certainly is one way of going about dealing with ppl you don't like OOC.
If you chose to put them on your ignore list that's an inconvenience to you.
Haven't put anyone on my ignore list for a long long while. If someone says something OOC i take offence to then I'd take a scren shot it and send it off to abuse@nc. I try to keep ingame antics related to RP. (the exceptions being to OOC or help channel related discussions).
@Xylaz, I'd really like the SL system to be more effective, but have no idea how they'd do it. Maybe make DB count towards SL loss as dmg does, kick bad sl runners from teams, prevent being clanned from stopping faction kick on bad sl. Not devoted any real thought to it, better check a relevant thread.
This isn't NC1, this is NC2 beyond the dome of york.
RP does have to be city versus city as the role you play is that of a member of a city which is at war with the other city, and not itself.
For once I find myself siding with Jester here (at least partially)
If NC2 is 'red vs blue' then why have any more than 2 or 3 factions and therefore any outpost would be held by either DoY or NC
The interplay between factions was one of the really 'deep' aspects of NC1 but it appears that it only really 'worked' because safezones kept most of the fighting outside the city (which is actually how it should be - you wouldnt spoil your carefully constructed facade of legitimacy by commiting crimes on your own doorstep. Nor would you want to give other factions an opportunity to discredit you and gain more power and influence at your expense)
Dune is a good example of what I think was intended, the Emperor wants Atredies<sp?> to go down, but does it in such as way that the Emperor doesnt 'shit in his own backyard' (even the harkonen<sp> dont want the murders of the figureheads pinned on them)
The demise of [most] safezones was seen as many as a 'green light' to fighting in the streets - while I sure that fighting in the streets with the cities enemies was intended I suspect the rampant combat between inhabitants of the same city (right under the noses of the 'authorities') was prehaps not forseen and is the result of a broken SL system (among other things)
the thing i read on the NC 1 manual was that if yu pulled a weapon out in the streets of Neocron yu were executed there and then... *shrugs* how about keep the lack of safezones in NC make the copbots hardcore again... but if yu draw a weapon while one is looking (90 degrees front facing please not 360 insta vision) then bam bam yur dead, 15 copbots stomping on yur head
Scaramanga
07-04-05, 21:19
If NC2 is 'red vs blue' then why have any more than 2 or 3 factions and therefore any outpost would be held by either DoY or NC
Dunno, maybe for depth? Least the way I see it is that as long as the factions aren't enemies there isn't any ingame reason to kill its runners.
trigger hurt
07-04-05, 21:42
the thing i read on the NC 1 manual was that if yu pulled a weapon out in the streets of Neocron yu were executed there and then... *shrugs* how about keep the lack of safezones in NC make the copbots hardcore again... but if yu draw a weapon while one is looking (90 degrees front facing please not 360 insta vision) then bam bam yur dead, 15 copbots stomping on yur head
bad idea. You think people being killed by allies is bad now because it's spread all over the city? What do you think it will turn into when it's all localized to a few zones?
Dunno, maybe for depth? Least the way I see it is that as long as the factions aren't enemies there isn't any ingame reason to kill its runners.
There are multiple factions because each faction has it's own agenda. You don't understand the principle here. There is no depth from having multiple factions if all those factions have the same agenda.
The idea is the make the agenda of a clan more important than the agenda of an individual. At the same time, the agenda of a faction is more important than the agend of a clan. No-where in there is the agenda of a city more important than the agenda of a faction. The cities are just convenient places to lump the factions together.
To be honest, factions should have been left somewhat the way they were.
Anyone inhabiting the dome is red to anyone that inhabits Neocron city and vice versa.
Inside each city, there should be factions who don't like each other.
For example:
Black Dragon and Twilight Guardian are enemies
Black Dragon and Fallen Angels are enemies
Black Dragon and Tsunami are enemies
Black Dragon and Crahn Sect are Allied or Neutral
Take a look at the ideals of each of these factions. Since the backstory for these factions has not been updated and we haven't been given and RP reason for these factions to have suddenly changed their alliances, we can assume that their ideals are still the same. If you run the epics for each of the dome factions and for each of the Neocron City factions, you'll see pretty quick that none of the factions ideals and agenda's have changed.
When I first started playing this game over 2 years ago, it was going to be dark, dirty and dangerous. You were supposed to watch your back at all times, even around allies. Hell, the introductory email from "a friend" even tells you that "noone here is really your friend". Which I took to me...someone, even someone "green" or "yellow" might put a bullet in my ass and I had better watch my step.
Now, the game is sissified to the point of silliness. Everyone in one city or the other want to hold hands, sit around the camp fire and sing camp-fire songs and roast marshmellows.
It's not supposed to be this way.
Bugs Gunny
07-04-05, 23:54
It seems that the people in neocron city are a lot more tollerant to roleplay. Unlike some clans in the dome, who find roleplay .... an assault on their personal enjoyment of the game.
Yes, we have killed allied runners on drug busts. Most of them had a blast and enjoyed it.
Cmaster, sorry for the run in, but you know, you DID run away during a search :-)
trigger hurt
08-04-05, 00:16
It seems that the people in neocron city are a lot more tollerant to roleplay. Unlike some clans in the dome, who find roleplay .... an assault on their personal enjoyment of the game.
Yes, we have killed allied runners on drug busts. Most of them had a blast and enjoyed it.
Cmaster, sorry for the run in, but you know, you DID run away during a search :-)
And soon to come, the complaints and whines about allied killing. Yet they'll take little into consideration that City Admin's rule is little more than a dictatorship bent on keeping its power and control over the people rooted firmly. Obviously, City Admin isn't going to just fight against the enemy forces in the dome, but their going to have citizens inside Neocron City itself that they will have to "discipline". Remember folks, the only punishment for a crime in Neocron is death...
Bugs Gunny
08-04-05, 09:18
Judging from the current situation (looks at the map) the first and foremost objective of cityadmin should be to remove the dangerous outposts close to the city itself.
The terrorists have gained too much power and they should be pushed back into the rathole of a city they are based in.
There is not too much of a problem with law and order in the city. It seems to have stabilised itself a bit since a few months ago.
There are naturaly some criminal elements in the city, but not to the extent that massive house searches and trials are needed.
One problem area is PP3, which will be patroled on a regular basis. It seems that DOY runners are using this area to smugle illegal drugs and DOY equipment into the city. Some even use this place as the starting point of terrorist activities.
MeWhiteWolf
08-04-05, 11:17
@ comie - perhaps waiting until u fired would make it more worthwhile - i have drawn mine automatically when changing zone and that would get annoying.
but the copbots waiting until *they* are fired on (as they do now) is more than a little daft. Wait till a shot is fired, then the copbots return fire, friend or foe - since according to the recordings they still guarantee your safety in side the inner city limits - which went out at the end of nc1....
Hehe, I was just trying to add some excitement to the little bust. Not like I had any fear of dieing on my PPU - just I ddint actually have any illegal drugs on me. Pricelessly though, your "officers" (who I will contiune to contest the authority of, :P) had just turned up after nightspider was passed around to allow a TL115 poke...
Dr Strange
08-04-05, 15:40
The multiple factions system does as said add depth.
Look at Planetside, alright in concept. 3 factions trying to control the world, each with its own benefits and disadvantages.
But that's it, 3 factions. Granted Terra is currently like this in the terms of 3 major factions controlling the map, there IS the potential there for more. Theres what, 13 factions ingame? Theres plenty more options.
trigger hurt
08-04-05, 15:57
The multiple factions system does as said add depth.
Look at Planetside, alright in concept. 3 factions trying to control the world, each with its own benefits and disadvantages.
But that's it, 3 factions. Granted Terra is currently like this in the terms of 3 major factions controlling the map, there IS the potential there for more. Theres what, 13 factions ingame? Theres plenty more options.
Given the current system and how the people who do the most whining want to play it, there's to be no fighting amongst the people in each city. They are all to hold hands and fight against the other city. This is how you, the people who complained about Blood attacking allies, wanted it. You whine that it couldn't possibly be in the spirit of RP, they did you a favor and left. There is no depth in Neocron 2, as the factions stand now.
If a black dragon attacks a twilight gaurdian, he is an allied pk'r. All this, despite the fact that Black Dragon hate Twilight Gaurdians. If a Tangent attacks a BioTech, he's an allied pk'r, despite the fact that Tangent and BioTech are in competition with each other and have a rivalry between the owners of each company. If a fallen angel attacks a Crahn, he's an allied pk'r, despite the fact that Fallen Angels left Neocron city because of the monks who would eventually make up the Crahn Sect.
Point is. Those of you who complain the loudest really don't want any RP at all. What you want is people to not shoot at you unless they are bright red and in an "enemy" faction as determined by F6, not by storyline. So, anyone who RP's their character in line with their factions agenda will be considered by those who whine the loudest as allied pk'rs, no matter what faction they join.
Dr Strange
08-04-05, 16:15
The backstory is there as such, a backstory. Its a meer guideline of how things are. Sure you can say F6 is the same, but I disagree.
BD's instory hate TG's right? Then TG's shouldnt have their name been bright green to me. Sure their faction is yellow to denote neutrality and such but their still green as allies. And as such I expect an allied name to not kill me.
If you really want us to RP, we'd be what Blood was. i mean sure Crahn has the whole "omg lets convert people or cleanse the rest" thing going, but we're BD. we bow to no one and go for who has the best deals around. we're drug dealers and pimps, we do it better than TS. we may not have the army strength of TG but when it comes to wheeling and dealing, we're the best and we've got the best money can buy.
And yes we do RP to a certain extent. Case in point we had a discussion the other week about honor and genrep killing/camping. Now camping is different than genrep killing obviously. Me personally if I see a red genrep in, I'm not gonna fire on them right away. Sure they got SI and are an easy target, but I've been on that recieving end a hundred times and I won't lower myself to doing the same in return. This sparked a friendly debate on teamspeak for a few good hours, till most of our guys agreed "so what if their pros. we're black dragon, we do as we please and take what we want". i found it amusing but they do as they please, if a red genreps in they'll kill him. me personally, I wont. i just dont RP that far.
My beef with Blood was and is that they just cant admit they arent RPing. On one hand they'll preach up a storm on the forums "oh we'll leave neutral clans out of this" or "oh we're sorry one of our guys got you it was a mistake and wont happen again" we honestly heard that song and dance so many times in one weeks period it wasnt funny. monday we'd die to a Blood for no reason, their leaders would assure us it wouldnt happen again. Wednesday rolls around same thing happens, again we're assured its an isolated thing even though its someone different. On and on. Their final defense is they are role playing, they aren't roleplay its bald face lying.
But that was then, this is now. Their pros now, we dont hesitate to kill pros. Theres a pro in my caving team? he's dying, fuck my soullight I'll fix that later. he's pro and as such an enemy. hell personally i dont even kill red soulight allies unless theyve posed a threat or simply pissed me off for some reason. but pros are pros and red = dead.
Bugs Gunny
08-04-05, 16:22
A BD roleplaying a taxidriver???? You should be NEXT :-)
And as for those incidents, if your clanleader could have stopped your clanmembers from interfering there would be no deaths on your side. Ask paradox, who have been left unharmed after the first and last incident with them.
Anyway, we do roleplay, and it's obvious to many people we do.
If we were random gankers your clan would have died a LOT more :-)
Dr Strange
08-04-05, 16:29
A BD roleplaying a taxidriver???? You should be NEXT :-)
And as for those incidents, if your clanleader could have stopped your clanmembers from interfering there would be no deaths on your side. Ask paradox, who have been left unharmed after the first and last incident with them.
Anyway, we do roleplay, and it's obvious to many people we do.
If we were random gankers your clan would have died a LOT more :-)
You recruited Yarr Harr, nuff said.
And yes, I'm a rping taxi service. Hell, we get the best prices in the dome on anything. we control the pe pa market and hell, unless you wanna recycle over and over we got the bartered drug market cornered. so why not expand? anti has no in city transportation, which we cant unfortnately cant provide. but what next does for pros, we can do for the dome. TH is a hop skip jump for you, its a longer run for us, several people have benefitted from the BD's vehicle empire. no pun intended :p
trigger hurt
08-04-05, 16:42
The backstory is there as such, a backstory. Its a meer guideline of how things are. Sure you can say F6 is the same, but I disagree.
But F6 is the same. It's a guideline. If you want to call the backstory of factions a guideline, then F6 is nothing more than that as well.
BD's instory hate TG's right? Then TG's shouldnt have their name been bright green to me. Sure their faction is yellow to denote neutrality and such but their still green as allies. And as such I expect an allied name to not kill me.
That's the point. The game is broken with factions in their current state. Most likely, someone thought it would be a good idea to lump all of these factions that don't like City Admin into one group and lump all the other ones into another, then seperate them with a vast track of land. It was a bad idea and it's showing how bad an idea it was.
If you really want us to RP, we'd be what Blood was. i mean sure Crahn has the whole "omg lets convert people or cleanse the rest" thing going, but we're BD. we bow to no one and go for who has the best deals around. we're drug dealers and pimps, we do it better than TS. we may not have the army strength of TG but when it comes to wheeling and dealing, we're the best and we've got the best money can buy.
You are not pimps. Tsunami Syndicate has the market cornered in prosititution. That's part of the reason that the Dragons hate them. The Dragons have always wanted to get into prosititution, but they can't beat out the Tsunamis. The Tsunamis hate the dragons because, well, they're trying to take business from them and the Tsunami "head cheese" has a big problem with drug abuse. As for bowing to noone, I've been around the BD's on terra. They do a pretty good job of bowing down to TG.
And yes we do RP to a certain extent. Case in point we had a discussion the other week about honor and genrep killing/camping. Now camping is different than genrep killing obviously. Me personally if I see a red genrep in, I'm not gonna fire on them right away. Sure they got SI and are an easy target, but I've been on that recieving end a hundred times and I won't lower myself to doing the same in return. This sparked a friendly debate on teamspeak for a few good hours, till most of our guys agreed "so what if their pros. we're black dragon, we do as we please and take what we want". i found it amusing but they do as they please, if a red genreps in they'll kill him. me personally, I wont. i just dont RP that far.
There is no "we rp a little here and there". Either you do it full out or just stop. If you are a black dragon, there is no such thing as Honor. It's dog eat dog. "Fuck you" mentality is pretty strong. Black Dragons are one step away from being anarchy breed. The only thing holding them together as a faction is the love of money and power. Haven't you run the epic yet? I figured you would at least learn this about your faction. A discussion about honor and integrity wouldn't even get started with a group of Dragons. The words aren't in their vocabulary.
My beef with Blood was and is that they just cant admit they arent RPing. On one hand they'll preach up a storm on the forums "oh we'll leave neutral clans out of this" or "oh we're sorry one of our guys got you it was a mistake and wont happen again" we honestly heard that song and dance so many times in one weeks period it wasnt funny. monday we'd die to a Blood for no reason, their leaders would assure us it wouldnt happen again. Wednesday rolls around same thing happens, again we're assured its an isolated thing even though its someone different. On and on. Their final defense is they are role playing, they aren't roleplay its bald face lying.
The posts that I saw were pretty much in Character. Let's look at it from the point of view of someone who is trying to "take over the dome". If I want you to be subjugated and you won't bend willingly, I'm going to do it by force. If I seek power and control, there's no end to the means I will use to bend you to my will. Was this their motive the entire time? Probably not. Most likely, they let the wrong people in the clan.
Those people didn't really want to RP, they either wanted to kill anything that moved or were sent there by some other clan (it's happened before, no use in denying it) to throw a wrench into the whole mess. I'll be that if you look at the core group of people who were in Blood from the start, who knew what the plan was, they were all RP'ing their characters and never attacked anyone that didn't attack them first, aside from FF and DarK and KoS.
What you need to realize is that, most people playing this game, don't want to role play. It takes far too much effort for them to develope a character and stick to that characters personality. So, they just sit around, bitching on trade or ooc, or go afk macroing their INT...whatever.
But that was then, this is now. Their pros now, we dont hesitate to kill pros. Theres a pro in my caving team? he's dying, fuck my soullight I'll fix that later. he's pro and as such an enemy. hell personally i dont even kill red soulight allies unless theyve posed a threat or simply pissed me off for some reason. but pros are pros and red = dead.
Somehow, I doubt a pro in your caving team is going to die. Otherwise, you will have FF and DarK or some other DoY clan all over you. Both clans are notorious for having pro-city alts leveling at cycrow and the surrounding areas. I've been fighting an FF guy for a few minutes, turn around a minute later and there's 2 pro city guys there. I think, eh cool, I got some help now. Instead, they open up on me.
Dr Strange
08-04-05, 16:54
BD don't bow to TG. As said we don't really care for RP that much, plus its suicide to fight TG (read, FF), Blood did it but they had the support of like 3 merged clans, we're still getting off the ground. Whatcha wanna us to do, RP a group of dead guys?
I've done the epic (before and after it was fixed), I dont read the story. My first epic was FA which compared to other's is rather eh, personally I found it bland. Now I'll admit alot of that was based on the running in circles back and forth shit but still, im not doing the epic for the story. Im vain, I want my Master title and item. Doesnt mean shit to most people but at least I put the time in to do the epic, especially those worth doing.
And yea we've killed pros caving. If it's an FF alt usually they'll speak up. If they decide to retailiate by bringing their anti alts, thats their fault. Do ya remember the Tosti thing? (if you've got an anti alt you might). Part of the shit with him was none of us were keeping track of his anti alts, even though his pro one was killing us. Sorry but if Anti's got a pro alt, which is their choice, then its not our job to right down in a little notebook which pro alt it is and who it belongs to in Anti and which Anti clan. red = dead. if its an alt of someone we know (say an FF member or Dark or whoever) we'll let it slide, we dont wanna stir shit up, but dont take that as an excuse to kill us or an excuse to hide it if someone else kills you (not one of us as said we'd stay out of it).
I dont mind RP'ing hell I've rp'd some, I dont get off on it like some people but hey, thats their fetish not mine.
Bugs Gunny
08-04-05, 17:02
I wouldn't put it below a certain clan to use their pro city alts to try and brand us as ally killers in the city too.
We will continue to roleplay, and we'll get along with our new neighbours just fine. They have made us all feel very welcome in the city, for which i wish to extend our gratitude.
Where the atmosphere in the dome was one of stagnant stench of domination by one clan, the city feels very much alive.
Filled with posibilities, and i notice a larger presence of firepower, within its wals, than there was a few months ago.
trigger hurt
09-04-05, 09:55
BD don't bow to TG. As said we don't really care for RP that much, plus its suicide to fight TG (read, FF), Blood did it but they had the support of like 3 merged clans, we're still getting off the ground. Whatcha wanna us to do, RP a group of dead guys?
Point being, you are a black dragon. Part of being a black dragon is not taking any guff from anyone. Fuck the numers and take a couple of em with you. You might find it awfully fun to play a loose cannon. Give it a shot.
I've done the epic (before and after it was fixed), I dont read the story. My first epic was FA which compared to other's is rather eh, personally I found it bland. Now I'll admit alot of that was based on the running in circles back and forth shit but still, im not doing the epic for the story. Im vain, I want my Master title and item. Doesnt mean shit to most people but at least I put the time in to do the epic, especially those worth doing.
If you don't read the story, your credability goes out the door. If you don't know what's going on in your faction and what their ideals are, you are part of the problem, not the solution. How dare you claim someone is not in the spirit of RP when you can't even make the effort to play your character according to your faction.
And yea we've killed pros caving. If it's an FF alt usually they'll speak up. If they decide to retailiate by bringing their anti alts, thats their fault. Do ya remember the Tosti thing? (if you've got an anti alt you might). Part of the shit with him was none of us were keeping track of his anti alts, even though his pro one was killing us. Sorry but if Anti's got a pro alt, which is their choice, then its not our job to right down in a little notebook which pro alt it is and who it belongs to in Anti and which Anti clan. red = dead. if its an alt of someone we know (say an FF member or Dark or whoever) we'll let it slide, we dont wanna stir shit up, but dont take that as an excuse to kill us or an excuse to hide it if someone else kills you (not one of us as said we'd stay out of it).
I remember Tosti doing a whole lot of whining. The high pitched voice usually makes me mute him, at which point, I haven't got a clue what is going on. Letting shit slide is exactly what I am pointing out. Black Dragon's don't let it go. If you are letting anyone, even FF slide with a pro city alt leveling anywhere near or with DoY people, then you are bowing down to them.
I dont mind RP'ing hell I've rp'd some, I dont get off on it like some people but hey, thats their fetish not mine.
But you certainly do no mind bashing an attempt at role play by anyone else when you don't seem to have a firm grasp on it at all. You don't play your toon, a black dragon like a black dragon, with the ideals of the BD Clan. You are no different than the majority of people who play this game. Their goal, in game is to level and whine alot when things don't go their way. It is the people like you, who are clueless about roleplay, but still throw their 2 cents into the pot when a discussion of role play comes about.
It's evident in the roleplay forum where you cannot even control yourself. It is evident here. If role play isn't your thing, you should stay out of the roleplay associated things.
Scaramanga
09-04-05, 15:07
So you can do whatever you like in game and say "its an RP thing, you wouldn't understand". That makes everything excuseable.
Yes, im playing a computer game where i play the role of a member of a faction, but im better at it than you so I can roleplay more deeply and do whatever i like.
That makes perfect sense,thanks.
Jesterthegreat
09-04-05, 19:20
So you can do whatever you like in game and say "its an RP thing, you wouldn't understand". That makes everything excuseable.
Yes, im playing a computer game where i play the role of a member of a faction, but im better at it than you so I can roleplay more deeply and do whatever i like.
That makes perfect sense,thanks.
if "playing a role" is to complex i advise you to play TFC.
nice red vs blue action, simple objectives, and friendly fire can be turned off.
trigger hurt
09-04-05, 21:10
if "playing a role" is to complex i advise you to play TFC.
nice red vs blue action, simple objectives, and friendly fire can be turned off.
I played a soldier in TFC. Nothing like timing grenades and rocket combos, playing ping pong with an opposing scout or medic. Juggling fatties was a little difficult, cause well, they're fat.
Jesterthegreat
09-04-05, 21:16
I played a soldier in TFC. Nothing like timing grenades and rocket combos, playing ping pong with an opposing scout or medic. Juggling fatties was a little difficult, cause well, they're fat.
i was always an offensive engineer (SG down in the base, attack with a shotty) or an offensive medic (infect + wee shotty)
engineer gren jumps for decent SG locations ;)
trigger hurt
09-04-05, 21:32
i was always an offensive engineer (SG down in the base, attack with a shotty) or an offensive medic (infect + wee shotty)
engineer gren jumps for decent SG locations ;)
Yeah. I hated O engies. It was always right when I came out of resup, full of metal and ammo and just about to discard some that and emp would sail over my head and the only thing going through my head is "oh shit".
What clan were you with? I was with OESM originally, then we dismantled and myself and DlinkOz started running the server hosting thing for tfc and other HL mods. Moved on to Black Sun, then Ai`. Ai` got merged with bM. Hated the leader of the clan and moved to /tmp/ where I lived out the last of my days of TFC.
Man, that was a long time ago. Wish I could find 10 or 12 people that would want to play. I could get a good server setup for some pickup games.
Jesterthegreat
09-04-05, 21:53
Yeah. I hated O engies. It was always right when I came out of resup, full of metal and ammo and just about to discard some that and emp would sail over my head and the only thing going through my head is "oh shit".
What clan were you with? I was with OESM originally, then we dismantled and myself and DlinkOz started running the server hosting thing for tfc and other HL mods. Moved on to Black Sun, then Ai`. Ai` got merged with bM. Hated the leader of the clan and moved to /tmp/ where I lived out the last of my days of TFC.
Man, that was a long time ago. Wish I could find 10 or 12 people that would want to play. I could get a good server setup for some pickup games.
i never wanted to take a non MMO to seriously, so it was the old VENOM (part of NCAT or now NC's Elites) boys. RL mates in a net cafe.
played under various clan names / names... though Jester was my usual name.
There are multiple factions because each faction has it's own agenda. You don't understand the principle here. There is no depth from having multiple factions if all those factions have the same agenda.
The idea is the make the agenda of a clan more important than the agenda of an individual. At the same time, the agenda of a faction is more important than the agend of a clan. No-where in there is the agenda of a city more important than the agenda of a faction. The cities are just convenient places to lump the factions together.
To be honest, factions should have been left somewhat the way they were.
Anyone inhabiting the dome is red to anyone that inhabits Neocron city and vice versa.
Inside each city, there should be factions who don't like each other.
For example:
Black Dragon and Twilight Guardian are enemies
Black Dragon and Fallen Angels are enemies
Black Dragon and Tsunami are enemies
Black Dragon and Crahn Sect are Allied or Neutral
Take a look at the ideals of each of these factions. Since the backstory for these factions has not been updated and we haven't been given and RP reason for these factions to have suddenly changed their alliances, we can assume that their ideals are still the same. If you run the epics for each of the dome factions and for each of the Neocron City factions, you'll see pretty quick that none of the factions ideals and agenda's have changed.
When I first started playing this game over 2 years ago, it was going to be dark, dirty and dangerous. You were supposed to watch your back at all times, even around allies. Hell, the introductory email from "a friend" even tells you that "noone here is really your friend". Which I took to me...someone, even someone "green" or "yellow" might put a bullet in my ass and I had better watch my step.
Now, the game is sissified to the point of silliness. Everyone in one city or the other want to hold hands, sit around the camp fire and sing camp-fire songs and roast marshmellows.
It's not supposed to be this way.
Computer Games - For Neocron 2, what were the developer's main goals?
Reakktor Media - Neocron 2 is a consequent successor of Neocron 1. It expands the game and overhauls it in all important aspects, without changing the feeling too much...
...Another important change is the polarization of the game-play between good and evil, between “Neocron City” and “Dome of York”.
Theese two Quotes sums up some of the frustration in the game theese days. I do agree with TH in some of the things, more variation in the faction loyalties, but not to that extreme. Make two factions in a city enemies to each other, and the rest neutral or allied. And change the faction Backgrounds\Agendas\Ideologies to reflect this.
Otherwise, why go to the other city to kill. You would already have "lots" of enemies at home, so to speak.
I think they (Reakktor) meant to have most of the fighting in the wastes, and some raiding in the opposing cities (could we perhaps get a official on this). Thus not much internal fighting amongst the now "polarized" factions. But that are just my thoughts.
trigger hurt
10-04-05, 19:34
Theese two Quotes sums up some of the frustration in the game theese days. I do agree with TH in some of the things, more variation in the faction loyalties, but not to that extreme. Make two factions in a city enemies to each other, and the rest neutral or allied. And change the faction Backgrounds\Agendas\Ideologies to reflect this.
Otherwise, why go to the other city to kill. You would already have "lots" of enemies at home, so to speak.
I think they (Reakktor) meant to have most of the fighting in the wastes, and some raiding in the opposing cities (could we perhaps get a official on this). Thus not much internal fighting amongst the now "polarized" factions. But that are just my thoughts.
scroll back through a bit. You'll see that I am not denying or stating that the war isnt between doy and nc. What I am stating is that, because of this realm vs realm crap, the game has taken a serious turn towards boring. I didn't think it could get anymore boring than level up, get uber items, fight at op fights, pk the nibs, but it has.
I'm saying that the faction system needs to be overhauled, once again. Hell, don't even give us a storyline reason for it. Just do it, like every other major change that has been made to the game, there doesn't need to be a RP reason for it.
If Reakktor wanted to have people raiding cities, remove the gaurds from the inner cities so we can fight. No sense in DoY raiding NC when they'll be glued to the floor.
Bugs Gunny
11-04-05, 09:39
BD don't bow to TG. As said we don't really care for RP that much, plus its suicide to fight TG (read, FF), Blood did it but they had the support of like 3 merged clans, we're still getting off the ground. Whatcha wanna us to do, RP a group of dead guys?
The support of 3 merged clans? Blood is a merger between two clans, and numbered about 7 people, currently at about 10 people.
And no, fighting FF is not suicide. It's just that all the other dome clans, save paradox no longer have a lot of fighters in them. They all went into FF, or have gotten lazy by leveling at crp for hours on end.
From what i've witnessed in the city the last few days, there's good fighters in several pro city clans, the problem is that they don't cooperate yet.
Part of the problem is because there's some clans that just invite anyone, without checking backgrounds or whatever. This has led to huge infiltration of FF alts in those clans, set to destroy any possible alliances between the pro city clans.
FF knows very well that pro city alliance will be the end of them, as there is no way then can counter that, not even with the other dome clans helping them.
Therefore i urge everyone in the city to lay asside your differences and concentrate on the main problem. The orange on the map.
The time for bickering amongst yourselves has ended, it's time to go and cut up that nice big orange pie.
This has led to huge infiltration of FF alts in those clans,
omg bugs u have got to be kidding me one of the reasons FF is this big is mostley all alts of people there are in it
name me one *spy* infiltrating the city clans plz
*if u are roleplaying and *pretending* FF have alts in city clans then forget my previous statement :p *
Bugs Gunny
11-04-05, 10:48
Denial of accusations, yet again.
Is there no end to the deception of those terrorists? ;)
So you can do whatever you like in game and say "its an RP thing, you wouldn't understand". That makes everything excuseable.
Yes, im playing a computer game where i play the role of a member of a faction, but im better at it than you so I can roleplay more deeply and do whatever i like.
That makes perfect sense,thanks.
_Technically_ you are correct (which is why this problem exists)
Unfortunately self control and self moderation are the skills most often lacking when people try to RP - see my earlier comments about consistency
"I'm a psycho killer" doesnt cut it if you dont attack your clan mates, or your friends, or your faction/clan allies at times, because that shows you have self control, and psycho & self control dont mix (schizo would be more like it but since most people have a hard time creating one character to play I'm guessing 2 different ones is beyond their grasp) - if you play your character more in keeping with a different factions goals/ideals then you really ought to be moving to that faction (because in 'real' terms you'd be kicked out of your current one for not towing the faction line)
Unfortunately you just have to ask yourself if you are doing something 'because you can' or 'because you feel like it' and then just creating an RP 'excuse' for it or if you are really doing what your character would do at that time
Its the 'honour system' that makes or breaks RP, since 'people are a problem' you can almost guarantee that someones going to be an asshole - this leads to game mechanics, and game mechanics can often stifle certain types of RP
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