Server ??

[Cor]

Since the Servers are in Europe, and I am in Canada during the odd pvp action I get a little lag and sometimes when hunting mobs the same thing.
Exp. when fighting I am get hit before I see any action from the enemy. The Warbot and Fires Mobs are the worst getting hit, then I see the warbots arm move and walk away or a fire mob standing there, I get hit then I see the fire balls coming. In pvp same type of thing.

Now I have a good P4 pc and good Video card and the same thing happened in NC1 and I had top the line PC back then and I have high speed internet connection. Now my question is, does this happen in the US players because I here no complains, and I have fought Americans they seem to have no problems fighting me and European Players. Why??? :confused:

[LiL T]

You might be able to find out the cause by running a trace route to the server , If theres a noticeable lag spike on one or more of the hops then that would be the cause. Nothing KK can do about it its out of there control, might be good to try another ISP

[Jesterthegreat]

get rid of AOL

:p

[Cor]

There is no AOL nothing running in the back ground no team speak vent nothing else running.

[Jesterthegreat]

There is no AOL nothing running in the back ground no team speak vent nothing else running.


do a trace route.

oh and whats your fps / ping ingame?

[LiL T]

Yes AOL would be the worst choice for ISP as your packets pass through there proxys befor going to the server. This causes a delay which causes lag spikes I use to be an AOL member on 56k and trying to play games like quake got me a ping of 9999 !

I asked them over the phone if it was possible to get a direct connection to the net and if I could connect without having to use there shitty browser. I also stated that it was because I play online games and needed a good ping, they said there network wasn't good for games but was good for browsing or download and email. They told me it was not possible to make a direct connection to the net and that I'd need to use there restrictive resorce hogging POS browser to connect :mad:

One other annoying thing about AOL is once its on you'll never get the fuker off, well at least it seemed that way. It left alot of shit on my computer after uninstalling and I hate badly programed software that leaves shit on my comp. They also try to force you to stay as a member with them by saying we gave another month free LMFAO ! I was like "no dude you don't understand I want to end my membership today"

[Jesterthegreat]

Yes AOL would be the worst choice for ISP as your packets pass through there proxys befor going to the server. This causes a delay which causes lag spikes I use to be an AOL member on 56k and trying to play games like quake got me a ping of 9999 !

I asked them over the phone if it was possible to get a direct connection to the net and if I could connect without having to use there shitty browser. I also stated that it was because I play online games and needed a good ping, they said there network wasn't good for games but was good for browsing or download and email. They told me it was not possible to make a direct connection to the net and that I'd need to use there restrictive resorce hogging POS browser to connect :mad:

One other annoying thing about AOL is once its on you'll never get the fuker off, well at least it seemed that way. It left alot of shit on my computer after uninstalling and I hate badly programed software that leaves shit on my comp. They also try to force you to stay as a member with them by saying we gave another month free LMFAO ! I was like "no dude you don't understand I want to end my membership today"

its not badly programmed... the intention is it stays there and stops other ISPs working. how they get away with shit like that i dont know

[Cor]

do a trace route.

oh and whats your fps / ping ingame?

In my Atp the FPS is 76 and Ping 147-150

but up at CRP where there is some action FPS is around 23 and PIng is about 165.

Computers are really not thing so bare with we me how do I do a Trace route?

[Sammson]

Yeah, I'm in the same boat as you Cor, being way out here on "The Rock" (nfld).

My ping never drops below 200, bw goes down to 80 at times, and I've often
emptied 2 clips from a sh on a wb, with damage numbers coming off him (450)
but no damage being done (hlt bar doesn't move). I was also wondering what
this will mean when I get to cap and start being a nuisance at cycrow, heh.

To the pros here, some have said ping doesn't matter in neocron pvp, it's the
fps that matters, but I'm doubting the truth to this. Can you give us some
insight on what does matter, and how we might compensate for the cable -
atm - microwave jumps *3 - ground fibre - undersea fibre - ground fibre -
undersea fibre - ground fibre connection to the servers we have to jump thru
to play this fps with you guys? Or are we basically doomed to die many a
horrific deaths due to it? lol

[capt-o]

There's a little demo Tracer program on http://download.visualware.com/internetsecurity/index.html

Has a GUI that shows the hops on a map, just enter in the game IP and tell it start IIRC.

If your against downloading stuff, open your command prompt window and type: tracert (server IP) without the parentheses. No map but it shows how many hops it takes to get there.

[Sammson]

Here's my trace, to the the old nc1 server at least. 19 hops on a good day, lol. what's the new server ip?

1,172.28.32.1,7ms,None,----
2,172.28.253.37,14ms,None,----
3,209.128.2.145,122ms,None,----
4,142.166.208.194,141ms,alnf-dr02-6-0-0.aliant.net,----
5,142.166.181.125,151ms,alnb-cr02-pos-2-0.aliant.net,----
6,64.230.231.113,154ms,None,----
7,206.108.99.173,146ms,core4-montreal02-pos0-1.in.bellnexxia.net,----
8,206.108.107.62,155ms,bx2-montreal02-pos4-0.in.bellnexxia.net,----
9,207.45.204.45,147ms,if-8-0.core2.MTT-Montreal.Teleglobe.net,----
10,216.6.63.13,161ms,if-1-3.mcore4.NJY-Newark.teleglobe.net,----
11,216.6.63.18,167ms,if-5-0.core2.AEQ-Ashburn.teleglobe.net,----
12,65.59.88.209,82ms,so-1-2-0.e1.Washington1.Level3.net,----
13,209.244.11.13,87ms,so-2-1-0.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net,----
14,4.68.128.101,162ms,as-0-0.bbr1.London2.Level3.net,----
15,4.68.128.34,172ms,so-3-0-0.mp1.Hamburg1.Level3.net,----
16,195.122.140.164,172ms,ge-4-1.hsa2.Hamburg1.Level3.net,----
17,62.67.234.30,160ms,ge-2-0.edge1.ham1.de.inetbone.net,----
18,212.162.3.84,162ms,None,----
19,62.140.29.54,159ms,URANUS,----

[Dirus]

@Sammson

Seems like you ping jumps the most while still on the rock. Goes from 7ms to 14ms to 122ms and that hop is still on the rock it's self, since the next one is also on the rock, followed by one to New Brunswick.

Edit: I just ran a tracert myself, besides the spikes in Chicago, I don't reach a 122ms ping myself till I hit London England. This is coming from Toronto.

[Sammson]

Yeah, kinda knew it was the microwave link in to civilization, lol, this is gonna equal major gimpage when it comes to pvp huh. No matter tho, I'll still get a scattered shot on those anti city traitors :p

Btw, is anyone else having this problem with the silent hunter / sniper rifles?
If I switch to the healing light, it hits and registers every time, and never happened in nc1...

[LiL T]

Yeah, kinda knew it was the microwave link in to civilization, lol, this is gonna equal major gimpage when it comes to pvp huh. No matter tho, I'll still get a scattered shot on those anti city traitors :p

Btw, is anyone else having this problem with the silent hunter / sniper rifles?
If I switch to the healing light, it hits and registers every time, and never happened in nc1... Your problem with the SH hitting and not registering is a common problem, I don't know if its lag. But after seeing this happen to me when trying to shoot mobs that are very far away from me, I'm thinking its a bug. I get like 60 - 80 constant ping living in the uk aswell

Tracing route to 62.140.29.54 over a maximum of 30 hops



1 26 ms 15 ms 15 ms rasa4nrp6.edinburgh.broadband.bt.net [213.120.185.25]

2 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms 81.146.240.62

3 15 ms 15 ms 14 ms 217.41.174.5

4 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms 217.41.174.118

5 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms 217.41.174.62

6 14 ms 15 ms 15 ms 217.47.106.114

7 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms core1-pos15-3.edinburgh.ukcore.bt.net [194.72.17.141]

8 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms core1-pos13-0.birmingham.ukcore.bt.net [62.6.196.93]

9 30 ms 31 ms 30 ms core1-pos15-1.reading.ukcore.bt.net [194.74.16.162]

10 30 ms 31 ms 30 ms core1-pos7-4.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [195.99.125.33]

11 30 ms 30 ms 31 ms transit2-pos3-0.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [194.72.17.82]

12 30 ms 31 ms 31 ms t2c2-p5-0.uk-eal.eu.bt.net [166.49.168.45]

13 30 ms 31 ms 31 ms so-6-0-0-0.gar2.London2.Level3.net [212.113.11.253]

14 30 ms 31 ms 30 ms ge-0-3-0.bbr2.London2.Level3.net [4.68.124.65]

15 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms so-3-0-0.mp1.Hamburg1.Level3.net [4.68.128.34]

16 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms ge-4-1.hsa2.Hamburg1.Level3.net [195.122.140.164]

17 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms ge-2-0.edge1.ham1.de.inetbone.net [62.67.234.30]

18 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms 212.162.3.84

19 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms 62.140.29.54



Trace complete.

hehe I love my connection :P

[Sammson]

heh, ya just did 2400+ hp damage to a houndbot from like 100 ft away and he still kept coming, makes you wanna go over and kick the lil sucker to death.

[LiL T]

heh, ya just did 2400+ hp damage to a houndbot from like 100 ft away and he still kept coming, makes you wanna go over and kick the lil sucker to death. I heard that the damage is worked out cleint side first untill the real damage data is sent by the server. So what your seeing might not have actully happened, as far as the server is concerned you missed the shot ^^

I could be totaly wrong but thats my guess at what is happening

[Sammson]

hmm, can I expect the same phenomenon against a runner?

[LiL T]

Well it happens more noticeable with melee weapons if a player is running away from you for instance, go into the sewer and start killing a rat with a knife. Wait till it starts to run away from you, then start to attack it you will find it quite hard to finnish it off :lol: happens to me everytime I make a new char. Having 40 ping makes no difference

[Jesterthegreat]

a higher ping is fine (one of our best PPU's is an aussie) as long as its steady.

if an aussie has a ping of 200-300 then its perfectly playable, however if me or LiL T (who have a steady ping of 40-50) get a spike to 200-300 it will become near unplayable. weapons will take second to switch, all spells will miscast etc

[sshrul]

So is there an answer to Cor, Sammson and anyone else in Canada that has this problem or do we push for a North Amercian Server. Hay there's an idea. ;)

[Jesterthegreat]

you wanna donate the money for a US server?

its not cheap and i doubt they will make more servers at all... let alone ones half way accross the world from their coders etc (good fun for maintainence there)

[Sammson]

Nah, certainly don't expect that, and it wouldn't make any difference for me
anyways, being my third hop across 3 25 yr old microwave towers is the problem, unless they'd like to put one in the vacant house next door, ;) .

It just means we have to adjust our tactics to compensate for low speed of light in Neocron, ie: looking out to the clipping plane is like looking back in time
about what? 5-or so seconds?

[sshrul]

It's nice to dream about a server. Dreams do come true sometimes. Until than there already dead in my head. I agree with you Sammson, well have to adjust.