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We are still targeting the international release at March 25th (i.e. the last Friday in the quarter). The only outstanding issue we have is an ongoing discussion with PEGI over the game's rating and associated printed "icons" illustrating the level of violence, sex, swearing etc. This still needs to be resolved which is preventing us from printing the package inlays and this is likely to push everything back by a couple of weeks.
Everything else is ready to go though so we don't anticipate any further slippage. Unfortunately we can't just re-use the NC1 rating, even though our strippers are less "exposed" now. ;)
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Unfortunately we can't just re-use the NC1 rating, even though our strippers are less "exposed" now. ;)
Wasn't NC2 supposed to have more sex?
enigma_b17
15-03-05, 19:26
We are still targeting the international release at March 25th (i.e. the last Friday in the quarter). The only outstanding issue we have is an ongoing discussion with PEGI over the game's rating and associated printed "icons" illustrating the level of violence, sex, swearing etc. This still needs to be resolved which is preventing us from printing the package inlays and this is likely to push everything back by a couple of weeks.
Everything else is ready to go though so we don't anticipate any further slippage. Unfortunately we can't just re-use the NC1 rating, even though our strippers are less "exposed" now. ;)
N
speaking of the boxed versions do all us loyal customers get a box game free :P
Nice to c things moving along :)
Digital-Talios
15-03-05, 19:33
yea i remember someone saying that nc won an award as being one of the sexiest and with doy they wanted to win it again.
Why are you discussing it with them? Everyone knows that all those rating systems are just good for advertisment, just put all the icons on the box, 18+, violence, bad language, fear, sex, drugs and discrimination.
Everyone knows that a rap record without the "parental advisory" sticker on it sucks. Same thing with games, no violence, no drugs, no sex - no fun. You're not targeting the "let's sit around the camp fire and sing Kumbaya"-crowd anyway. They all went to WoW.
So does this mean we can expect a new patch this week ?
We can't just refuse to cooperate with PEGI, nor would we wish to avoid our responsibilities in this area. We don't work that way and neither do 10tacle or Atari.
No patch is planned for this week to my knowledge.
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paolo escobar
15-03-05, 20:07
thats good to hear, so items tracking sorted. Lets the content patches begin :)
gl with PEGI, but or red tape merchants :)
Cant wait for the influx of new ppl after int release
Crazy Russian
15-03-05, 20:11
are we getting new features with the international release? or is it just the current version being released in a box?
Dr Strange
15-03-05, 20:15
Ok, just to get this right, I gotta re-re-re-ask the obvious questions:
In NC2 as of now, you cannot have a name that violates the "RoC"? Yet in game you can:
- View softcore pornography in various sectors of the game, in the forms of red hue view screens with clearly visible nude females.
- Participate in Epic Missions and other Missions/Quests/Events where sexual themes are included (including I believe it's ironically, the BD epic where a gangbang video is a semi-large part of that epics storyline)
- The aforementioned various clubs such as the Pussy Club that even KK mentions in announcements and patch notes, and see NPC's sitting down in private booths recieving lapdances.
- See female NPC's completely naked except for a thong and two pieces of scotch tape over their nipples.
- If you have yet to see a erotic female dancer or stripper in game, please raise your hand. Ok since there are no hands raised... (by these I mean most of the female dancers, fully clothed ones and scantly clad ones as well)
I don't mean to come off as rude or trolling but seriously some names are rather innocent and very very tame that some people worry will be forced to change. And yet the above mentioned things are considered ok and legal within the game?
I don't mean to come off as rude or trolling but seriously some names are rather innocent and very very tame that some people worry will be forced to change. And yet the above mentioned things are considered ok and legal within the game?
You're not coming off rude or trolling, but you are coming off on the wrong thread (ooh, er). Please keep it on the ROC thread.
The international release will be coming with new features such as a modified newbie experience and item tracking that I know of so far. More information will be given as and when it's known.
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Heavyporker
15-03-05, 21:03
Big difference between sexy content and cum-frothing-type offensive character names.
No one, and I mean no one would want to name themselves "Irapedogsiniran" or "tokyowhoreson" or "anusavengerrimmer".
glad to hear item tracking is on its way. well done codi and all the staff.
-i know it took a while, not to be to fanboyish.... ;)
that would also be woc too. 8| (if age rating is the only outstanding issue)
anyway. good news. thx.
The birthday release lives on.
Then 25th on April is Decision day.
Well that is good news that it is only 10 days away!!
Expect that two-week delay I mentioned at the top. Even with the best planning there are sometimes things that crop up totally outside of your control.
N
Being an American, I'd never heard of PEGI (http://www.pegi.info/index.html) before today, so I had to Google them. Here (http://83.223.83.66/pegi/index.do?method=rating) is the page on their web page that explains their rating system. What it seems to amount to is one icon indicating the minimum age to buy the game, and then a series of "content icons" that explain why the rating was given: Bad Language, Discrimination, Drugs, Fear, Sex, and/or Violence.
Given that Neocron was originally promoted as a game rated for 18 and up, and as such designed to include Bad Language, Drugs, Fear, Sex, and Violence, what is there to negotiate? Stick a 16+ or 18+ label on it, take all the icons but Discrimination, and bang, problem solved.
The only thing I could see that might have to be "negotiated" would be if the deal with Atari specifically required the game to meet a lower age rating, or specifically agreed not to require some of those icons. In either case, I'd be very, very disappointed.
Expect that two-week delay I mentioned at the top. Even with the best planning there are sometimes things that crop up totally outside of your control.
Then for the love of Crahn, can we have a minor bug-fix patch between then and now to fix the MC5 vendors and the Tsunami Sector pawn shop, both of which were listed as fixed in the previous bug fix?
Transformer
15-03-05, 23:51
from what i've seen is you base your rating off the intended content is. NC2 would be Bad Language (even seen in certain epic missions), Drugs (use of drugs are used), Sex (we have a strip bar ffs), and obviously violence (der). Then tag on like all other MMORPG's do the little *Game Experience May Change During Online Play*
Neocron 1 was rated as low as 11+ in some territories.
Neocron 1 was rated as low as 11+ in some territories.
yeah i checked my german box, it was set at 12+
even though our strippers are less "exposed" now. ;)
Does this mean the NC1 naked dancer models are no longer in game? Even as "inactive" NPCs?
Unless the model is being saved for some future special GM event ;)
I just hope NC2 isn't being force to "tone down" by Atari or 10tacle. Perhaps that would explain the current panicky rush to make everyone change their names.
i hate the nipple tapes in boobs.
but there is less sex and violence them the RTL daytime tellie programm
Expect that two-week delay I mentioned at the top. Even with the best planning there are sometimes things that crop up totally outside of your control.
N
2 week delay is confirmed
So, two weeks from March 25th? :confused:
Neocron 1 was rated as low as 11+ in some territories.
+17 HERE in the U.S. --which mislead me to think I'd not be playing with 10yr old kiddies or any pansy bullsh!t like "offensive name" changing.
I'm still here, I'm still playing, but this is starting to get more WoWish by the moment.
Will the International Release mean player-shops?
So, two weeks from March 25th? :confused:
Thats the word at the moment
Are there any plans for existing subscribers (i.e. those that upgraded and are outside Germany) to be able to buy a 'media only' pack without the 'free' month for less money, or are you going to let us add the free month to an existing account or are we going to get screwed if we buy a retail pack? (like Funcom do with Anarchy Online)
The international release is a new and separate distribution channel with no links to existing payment schemes or accounts.
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enigma_b17
16-03-05, 13:54
u might wanna suggest that they offer some sort of deal to existing subscribers, theyd sell alot more copies that way :P
Bugs Gunny
16-03-05, 14:18
What's with this carboard fetish?
I hope we'll see an influx of new players, as the game needs it.
What's with this carboard fetish?
Call me old fashioned but I like to have a manual (however inaccurate and/or out of date it is). I also like to have the original media in case I need to reinstall (yes I know I could just burn the download to CD's/DVD but its not the same)
I must be getting old.......
Bugs Gunny
16-03-05, 14:43
No, you're ol when you decide to keep a backup of the client o, hundreds of floppies.
No, you're ol when you decide to keep a backup of the client o, hundreds of floppies.
It would take over a thousand floppies to fit the NC client :lol: :lol: :lol:.
Could we have any information about the marketing plan ?
Could we have any information about the marketing plan ?
To make as much money as possible! :D
To make as much money as possible! :D
i mean press relations, advetisement on web site and videogame shop... you know... selling a game ;)
i mean press relations, advetisement on web site and videogame shop... you know... selling a game ;)
You could always go pre-order it now :D
http://shop.gameplay.co.uk/webstore/productpage.asp?productcode=RM01991
http://shop.game.net/ViewProduct.aspx?cat=10&mid=325866
http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=PC&title=592942
http://www.gamestation.co.uk/product.asp?id=101265102961303
Original monk
16-03-05, 17:53
No, you're ol when you decide to keep a backup of the client o, hundreds of floppies.
or audiotapes !
bah my thread dissapeared, im sure i posted here LOL, a big post even :/
must of accidentaly pressed the wrong button lol, or worse: posted in the wrong thread :/
anyway, thing i wanted to say is that you better put on all warning labels as said before :) (witouth the discrimination ffcourse) .. the more labels the better
plus you have to add a warning like:
"-Playing neocron maintains a risk for youre health* with seldom cases of hyperventilation, shaking , headaches, nausea, hypoglycemia, auditive & visual changes in perception and possible coma followed by dead**
-People experiencing onë or more of these symptoms should stop playing immediatly, if the symptoms persist please contact youre local health worker or nearby hospital.
-Playing neocron longer then 4 hours straight isnt recommended by medical proffesionals.
-Its not recommended to drive vehicules or operate heavy machinery 30 to 60 minutes after playing neocron.
-Persons suffering from epilepsy and seizures, kidney and liverdiseases yust as persons with heart and vein diseases or persons having a history of high blood pressure are strongly advised not to play neocron.
-Again we strongly advise to read the rules of conduct, the manual and all warnings and labels before playing neocron."
Thank you for purchasing neocron.
* Neocron is a registered trademark of Reakktor, Reakktor isnt responsible in any way for any damage in biological, physical, emotional, social and psychological way.
**These symptoms can also be caused by the lack of neocron.
Bugs Gunny
16-03-05, 17:57
LOL
Well, actualy i have been physicaly sick from soloing a rhino on two comps in pvp combat for 2 hours straight :-)
I've been shaking through some PvP moments, and well, I think most of us know what Neocrack withdrawral feels like.
Dribble Joy
16-03-05, 20:52
Is this a legal thing?
Ie. will it be illegal to sell to people below the age set out by the PEGI ratings?
Otherwise it seems somewhat pointless.
Is this a legal thing?
Ie. will it be illegal to sell to people below the age set out by the PEGI ratings?
Otherwise it seems somewhat pointless.
PEGI is a guideline not a restriction
I don't know if you guys played hitman contracts, but at that party where everyone was getting high and drunk, them chicks in black latex... gave the best lap dance I've seen in my life :lol:, thumbs up for their animations.
or fallout where you could have sex and kill\punch\beat\cut\melt\enflame\poison\drug up\blow up\shoot out underaged NPC children.
NC seems like a SimXYZ game compared to that :p.
Scaramanga
18-03-05, 21:13
If item tracking is implemented I think that is reason enough for me to reactivate my account. WoW is a thoroughly well polished game but like the man said it is a bit kumbaya at the campfireish.
A question for you Nidhogg. I know, there is international release, lots of pretty Neocron 2 boxes on the shelves... But will people know that there is a Game called Neocron 2 that is good? Will some one go in a shop because he wants to buy the game appart from the old players?
In other words is their any advertsing campaign for neocron 2 world wide?
Because if not, we will only have the people who bought the game because they thought the box looked cool :p.
Also, i am a French Player playing on Pandore.
Is their any kind of advertising planned in my little hexagonal country? Because if you look at the % there, we are only 7% every nights and our number is shrinking slowly! Will anything be done for us frenchies? :p So we can have a nicely populated server?
So basicly, the question is: Is their advertising done for neocron 2 worldwide for the soon to come release, and is their any planned in France? Magazines, TV, street posters with a big Neocron 2 picture?
Thank you!
For the international release I'll have to find out - advertising is a function of the publisher (Atari), not the developer. As for advertising in France, I suspect that would be a question for Alchemic Dream.
N
Ok, Last question.
If Atari takes care of the release worldwide, it would be logical they also take care of the release in France if advertising there is, am i wrong? Or maybe in cooperation with Alchemic Dream?
Thx.
Ok, Legba answered me. Atari would be in charge of the advertising in France as well. Now the question is. What is planned worldwide?
If you could get the answer, and tell us their is a good advertisement campaign planned, i think it would make the community cheer up!
I heard there were TV spots for the first release of Neocron 2, hope there will bu such thing worldwide! :D
I heard there were TV spots for the first release of Neocron 2, hope there will bu such thing worldwide! :D
I didnt see any kind of TV advertisment here in Germany... but we had a lot of BIG articles / contests in some major game-magazines (incl thousands of clients on the magazine-cd's) + neocron2 was reviewed in GIGA-Games TV (~15mins on air). Overall, quite a lot of media attention.. tho' it might have helped, that ReaKKtor is a German based company and developer of the first & only German MMORPG.. thats a bonus we dont have for international marketing ;)
Apart from the "marketing campaign" which was somewhat decent, the launch wasnt that successful due to the disastrous state of the game, at said time (so basicly a lot of the media-effort just went *poof* when ppl tried the game)
:(
Ok, Legba answered me. Atari would be in charge of the advertising in France as well. Now the question is. What is planned worldwide?
If you could get the answer, and tell us their is a good advertisement campaign planned, i think it would make the community cheer up!
I heard there were TV spots for the first release of Neocron 2, hope there will bu such thing worldwide! :D
There won't be much of a advertising campaign because unless it is a triple A title publishers are reluctant to splash out on advertising and i can say neocron unfortunately isn't triple A. But your wrong in saying if it goes onto shelves the only people to buy it will be current players because every game out there carrys a pickup and play value and if its on the shelves it has that chance and dependant on the retailer stocking it and how well they display it in their shop is how well it will sell for them. You have to also bear in mind that WoW has just completely sold out in shops and everyone wants more but blizzard won't make anymore till they increase the size of the servers which means Neocron could sneak in and grab that custom while theres nothing else available for them
Dribble Joy
20-03-05, 03:54
KK/atari/whoever should seriously consider advertising on webcomics.
The value for money is incredible. Readerships in the tens or hundreds of thousands in some cases with ad slots for as little as 50 quid a week and not that much more.
Somewhere like Penny-Arcade, Ctr-Alt-Del or VGCats could bring in thousands of potential players, without having to spend more than most peoples income a year on a TV ad.
IMO, TV advertising is never going to be the best option of advertising for a niche game. Articles, web comics would be the best way to go. Neocron could not even handle the influx tv advertising has the potential to bring in anyway.
No news in France...... :( Pandore dying, and nobody move...
Just for the idea, i called today the biggest stores in Paris (Virgin Megastore, Fnac, etc....), no one have heard something about NC2, no one knew the international release, the only article on the net is on an italian site.... Will KK to close really the french server? we are near from, now.... HELP PLZ, do something! Nc2 have a really great potential, in France, nobody know it... why? it's so hard to do a bit information? or it is a commercial suicide in France?
Jesterthegreat
22-03-05, 01:03
why would kk close a privatly owned server?
that wont be happening unless the whole game dies (im not sure if AD host the server or if its with the other KK stuffs. since they patch at the same time i assume KK hosts the server, but AD owns / rents it)
Everything else is ready to go though so we don't anticipate any further slippage.
Thanks for the update, does this mean that there will be a way to pay with paypal ?
if no patch is coming out this week. What the hell is this patch we've downloaded all about then? eh?
virgil caine
22-03-05, 21:40
if no patch is coming out this week. What the hell is this patch we've downloaded all about then? eh?
During the maintainance, we'll release a new patch, which will update your Neocron 2 client to the same version as the client shipped for the upcoming european release.
The patch contains new sector files only, which are not connected to the game yet. This will not happen until the next patch.
that should answer your question
so that means we WILL be getting a patch...and I highly doubt it will be in 3 days.
Niddy said there is no patch this week. :confused:
explain...
Nobby spaßtik...
Nobby Confused...
Dribble Joy
22-03-05, 22:03
The quote above isn't quite encompasing as it should be.
There will be no patch untill the international release, after/at which there most probably will be one.
The last patch was the adding of several maps that will be unlocked with the post int release patches.
enigma_b17
22-03-05, 23:57
No news in France...... :( Pandore dying, and nobody move...
Just for the idea, i called today the biggest stores in Paris (Virgin Megastore, Fnac, etc....), no one have heard something about NC2, no one knew the international release, the only article on the net is on an italian site.... Will KK to close really the french server? we are near from, now.... HELP PLZ, do something! Nc2 have a really great potential, in France, nobody know it... why? it's so hard to do a bit information? or it is a commercial suicide in France?
thats cause France sux ;) (only joking)
pity if it does lol
...There will be no patch untill the international release, after/at which there most probably will be one....
jeh, but who cares about it? ill wait around 4 month now for a little content and i like to play now, i play in germany where the game is out for ~6 month.
i start getting a deja vu from last years easter.
€ hope there is no other release this year
Ninjano2002uk
23-03-05, 14:38
ok i not played for like erm.. 2weeks maybe 3 not touched NC at all, has anything new been added? or it still the same.
Jesterthegreat
23-03-05, 14:43
ok i not played for like erm.. 2weeks maybe 3 not touched NC at all, has anything new been added? or it still the same.
same.
no content patch til int release... im hopin for one not long after (key word: hoping)
The international release is a new and separate distribution channel with no links to existing payment schemes or accounts.
N
Thanks Nid
Guess I'll just have to wait for NC2 to hit the bargain bin in Game or something to satisfy my 'cardboard fetish'
The game it seems have been released in italy! I wonder how its going to work there.
its funny, it seems only the italian version has been released. Its there on http://it.atary.com
Funny no?
ok i not played for like erm.. 2weeks maybe 3 not touched NC at all
ditto....not even looked at the forums for like 4-5 days lol, think thats a record :p
Nidhogg, those are again questions aimed to you.
Atari will be released tomorow in italy, but for exemple, both atari england and atari france remain silent when i called their public relation numbers.
Basicly they told me there was a neocron 2, but they did not want to give anymore further details. They told me to look at their website which is on the Neocron matter... Empty.
So whats going on? Why is it released in italy at the right time, but not in other places? Is it still the PEG thingy?
And why is there no official release date and Absolutly nothing on their website about Neocron 2? No topics, no release date, no nothing?
I could try and find out from Atari but I strongly suspect that NC2 will be on the shelves by the time I get the reply. There's no conspiracy theory - it's probably just a teritorial thing.
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Nidhogg, those are again questions aimed to you.
Atari will be released tomorow in italy, but for exemple, both atari england and atari france remain silent when i called their public relation numbers.
Basicly they told me there was a neocron 2, but they did not want to give anymore further details. They told me to look at their website which is on the Neocron matter... Empty.
So whats going on? Why is it released in italy at the right time, but not in other places? Is it still the PEG thingy?
And why is there no official release date and Absolutly nothing on their website about Neocron 2? No topics, no release date, no nothing?
The reason is the PEGI rating and because the game does not know what it rating it has they cannot print the packaging because they don't have the correct info for it. The reason there is no date set is because PEGI will come back when they want to and then however long it takes to make all the packaging will be added.
As for Italy there is 2 options either they don't need PEGI rating there or it maybe delayed and just they haven't updated there info.
Jesterthegreat
24-03-05, 03:14
The reason is the PEGI rating and because the game does not know what it rating it has they cannot print the packaging because they don't have the correct info for it. The reason there is no date set is because PEGI will come back when they want to and then however long it takes to make all the packaging will be added.
As for Italy there is 2 options either they don't need PEGI rating there or it maybe delayed and just they haven't updated there info.
http://www.selendor.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pcgamer1.jpg
I saw [the pic above] today. A couple of interesting points to note:
1) The PEGI rating is clearly stated as being 16+
2) The release date is stated as March 25th. As I posted earlier this date is likely to slip because of a delay in printing the inlays but it looks like the blockage is cleared and the delay shouldn't be any longer than predicted (two weeks, maybe even less)
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Dr Strange
24-03-05, 03:26
So, can we expect the release 2 weeks after March 25th?
Does the International Release cover North America? If not, will we get a box release?
Can we get a response to the hypocracy (sorry but its the politest way I could put it) of various clubs and missions in terms of names and language when GM's are enforcing RoC on player names that are similar or the same as such places within the game KK promotes? (i.e. The Pussy Club, yet players can't use the word Pussy in their player names) (yes I know, wrong thread BUT no GM/forum mod will respond to the RoC thread and its almost off the page so if i bump it I warrant another warning for bumping an old thread so either way lose lose for me)
Ok i'm sure it's been mentioned before... but....
Rock & Roll? Why and where?
'Szeen
Dribble Joy
24-03-05, 04:14
Can we get a response to the hypocracy (sorry but its the politest way I could put it) of various clubs and missions in terms of names and language when GM's are enforcing RoC on player names that are similar or the same as such places within the game KK promotes? (i.e. The Pussy Club, yet players can't use the word Pussy in their player names)
It all depends on the degree that the codes of conduct are taken to.
Offensive and abusive names should be removed/changed, but drawing the line is the problem.
Banning pussy from a name does seem daft, even my second ever char (Dribble Joy hackbitch) had to be changed (no bitch allowed). Which does indeed seem to go far.
But I would not call it hypocracy as such.
Jesterthegreat
24-03-05, 08:48
i have no emails from KK on my names (see sig... fick and whore).
i hope KK do a post when they are finished checking... in fact i'd love to have someone from KK PM me and say if my names will have to be changed, as i find it hard to believe they havent got to "F" yet...
:edit: im not just worried about missing the mail somehow (YES i check my junk mail folder...)
if they actually miss my names, then changes the rules to take more action and someone reports my name... i just dont want the hassle :p
Dr Strange
24-03-05, 09:11
It all depends on the degree that the codes of conduct are taken to.
Offensive and abusive names should be removed/changed, but drawing the line is the problem.
Banning pussy from a name does seem daft, even my second ever char (Dribble Joy hackbitch) had to be changed (no bitch allowed). Which does indeed seem to go far.
But I would not call it hypocracy as such.
I can see that.
However I see people talk ingame about how their name was changed from something non-offensive. i.e. Constructor Penis (or was it Penis Constructor?). He had to change it to "Wenis". I could understand if his name had Dick or maybe Cock but 1) he uses the proper word for it which is allowed even on childrens television not to mention a german cyber punk game.. and 2) again there are blantant pictures of nude women all through the game, and places like The Pussy Club.
And again yes Nid, not the thread for it but if I make a new thread its spam and merged with the RoC thread which noone will officially respond in.
Dr Strange
24-03-05, 12:21
Answer the questions ;o
We can't make a new thread on the subject, cause you'll just merge it with the "current" thread which is almost off page 1, and which doesn't get official responses to very controversial questions. I've added the same question twice to that thread and yea I realize the mods/GM's are busy but I'm sure by now someone has read that thread thats in the up & up.
A PM serves no purpose cause it just gets a singular answer that the public does not get to see and again can't be put into a new thread without it being merged into the "current" one.
And if this is edited or previous posts edited (haven't checked) it's safe to say Nid and others are obviously dodging the more than obvious questions that point out the contradictions of ingame npc and location names versus player names.
I'll try and find someone to give you an answer on the other thread but I warn you now it will be something along the lines of "Offensive names are not permitted. Period." There will be no wiggle room.
If you continue to hijack this or any other thread I'm going to get miffed so stick to the topic.
N
I'll try and find someone to give you an answer on the other thread but I warn you now it will be something along the lines of "Offensive names are not permitted. Period." There will be no wiggle room.
If you continue to hijack this or any other thread I'm going to get miffed so stick to the topic.
N
Maybe someone of 10Talce or better from Atari could come here and answer the different questions ;)
( including french marketing questions too of course :p )
Dr Strange
25-03-05, 23:15
So we can assume April 8th is the "official" International release now? since todays the 25th and no word on box release
Expect that two-week delay I mentioned at the top. Even with the best planning there are sometimes things that crop up totally outside of your control.
N
I hoped I'd already made it clear with that statement. As soon as I have a solid date I will post it.
N
So on the day the International release is out, what features will be unlocked?
IE.
The Zoo, maps, mobs, weapons, etc..
And most of all, item tracking?
Are you sure of what you are saying Seven? Would that mean we also get accessories and be able to change our clothes again?
This seems a bit funny. Nidhogg? Is that an intox? Or will new features be released when the game is internationaly out? :confused:
Jesterthegreat
28-03-05, 15:38
Are you sure of what you are saying Seven? Would that mean we also get accessories and be able to change our clothes again?
This seems a bit funny. Nidhogg? Is that an intox? Or will new features be released when the game is internationaly out? :confused:
hes not saying anything will happen... hes asking what will happen.
kk have stated that there will be a patch to go with the release, and that item tracking is on track for that patch... so hes askin what will be in the patch
:edit: there should be itemn tracking and presumably the new maps added for the noob area / noob missions... but dunno what else
AFAIK, the two main features being added with the international release patch are item tracking and a new newbie experience. I'm trying to find out if anything else is planned.
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Jesterthegreat
28-03-05, 15:41
AFAIK, the two main features being added with the international release patch are item tracking and a new newbie experience. I'm trying to find out if anything else is planned.
N
zoo could be cool open... but i want the Pepper Pub back :p
What about ConCenter and NCPD ? :p
Jesterthegreat
28-03-05, 17:03
What about ConCenter and NCPD ? :p
meh...
CA HQ has a nice meeting area at the top... and NCPD was 90% used for exploits
meh...
CA HQ has a nice meeting area at the top... and NCPD was 90% used for exploits
Sure, but as for the Zoo (cant wait to see pro Dome stuffed with straw (ty freetranslation :P)), its only for a more pleasant city life. :D
Heavyporker
28-03-05, 18:51
FFS... just put a glass floor or glass walls on the interior side of the courtyard on each level. Fixed, to be honest.
Why it took this long to sort the NCPD HQ, I don't know. Fucking piss poor bit of planning, there. Zoo, I understand, but not NCPD HQ.
NCPD HQ is crucial to many delivery/courier missions, and to the RP ambiance of Neocron City.
The fact that you can't see any DoY officials in the Dome doesn't help. On and on, we kept seeing that DoY had a separate government and army, and INVITED the anti-CA factions to live in the Dome. Hence, where's the fucking DoY government that did that?
Anyways.. rant done (for now), time to get back on track.
Now that some things on the map have changed, will there be a downloadable map(s) ( of wastelands, the Cities and colonies (NC, DoY, MB, TH, Old Canyon) for people that won't buy the box version to print out?
I mean, look - we went to the bother of downloading 1.4 gigs and we already paid up for accounts... why should we buy a box for some useful info?
FFS... just put a glass floor or glass walls on the interior side of the courtyard on each level. Fixed, to be honest.
Or even easier, make it a safe zone. Got enough NCPD protection, may aswell be.
enigma_b17
29-03-05, 10:48
with the crappiness of copbots and those "guards" in nc it should be possible to solo it if it were opened in its previous state. But i agree make it a safe zone and re=open :), treat it like a faction hq, :o theres an idea make the ncpd a faction !!
Dr Strange
29-03-05, 11:47
offtopic question again, sorry
but speaking of copbots and ncpd, is the overhead PA message "Attention citzens, highly dangerous criminals spotted within the city limits" an actual message thats said whenever an NPC sees an enemy or red sl runner? Or is it just a random overhead PA message like all the rest?
I bring this question up cause, in a discussion about how pro city gets all the cool stuff vs anti, we have no real warning system. Our guards inside the dome are basically near a few synch points between sectors and faction HQ's. Leaving alot of room to roam around for pros. And even then we have no warning system unless a guard is dead in which case he cries out in local chat(or he's just attacked and you happen to see a guard walking somewhere that he normally doesnt). Sure theres the legion of Johnny 5's in the desert but there are ways around them, once in the city its pretty safe.
Original monk
29-03-05, 12:25
i think thats yust a normal message like: from head to feet .. all you need :)
also i dont think procity gets all the cool stuff :) maybe they have a better defense system then the dome yeah ... but the dome is empty anyway 9 outta 10 lol
but itemwise .. fsm/database/epic they cant complain .. but thats not the most important ... its the medium-hilevel levelinggrounds they have .. that makes the diffrence .. chaoscaves > all you see :)
and ok .. the aggy's are good as a noobchar ... but these same noobs can level out atleast as decently on mutant warriors next to the citycenter genrep..
thats why: implement a cave with crawling critters (100/100 spiders anyone ?) in the southern area's of the map :)
Jesterthegreat
29-03-05, 13:21
swamp caves is damn good xp...
my tank is 2 levels off PA if i change imps... i played for maybe 10 hours?
aggies => MB => WB's => swamp caves => chaos caves
My copy of PCZone (this months) has a full page advert for Neocron 2.
16+ for UK (age rating)
Pity in big letters it says release date '25th March 04'
Also love the line of 'fight thousands of other players' :)
Perhaps someone should have contacted PCZ and told them to modify the advert? :rolleyes:
Perhaps someone should have contacted PCZ and told them to modify the advert? :rolleyes:
Let's not get into that one again. Honestly, sometimes I think some people want a single-player game.
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Let's not get into that one again. Honestly, sometimes I think some people want a single-player game.
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i think he was referring to the date being wrong
Sorry was more of a reference to the date. (Hadnt yet seen the post below)
Was wondering why noone had contacted PCZ and asked them to at least 'black box' the date.
Was wondering why noone had contacted PCZ and asked them to at least 'black box' the date.
Cover it with that whiteboard surface and give a little pen as a free gift, "fill in correct date here" :D
Clive tombstone
29-03-05, 17:19
Let's not get into that one again. Honestly, sometimes I think some people want a single-player game.
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hehe, if we WANTED a single player game, we'd be playing Deus Ex :D
Heavyporker
29-03-05, 18:06
Man.. it'd be AWESOME if that message was an early warning system for real.
*sigh*
So awesome...
Anyways, haven't seen any reponse. Will current NC players be able to download the *updated - as in, the same manual as new boxed version* manual and world map and whatever else, when the international release is underway?
The manual will be downloadable and I'm pretty sure about the map too (can't see why it wouldn't be).
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MeWhiteWolf
01-04-05, 11:56
it is quite a shame that nc2 has to come with the attached month of play and a new account, I for one really liked owning a copy of nc1 with manual and even the map though i only used it for the commands on the reverse (hey that map was pretty bad).
on the other hand i have already upgraded my 2 nc accounts to nc2 and have no need of a 3rd... so by current plans no boxed copy for me :(.
Please KK, think on it, I'm not saying make it free by any means.
Jesterthegreat
01-04-05, 13:48
you can buy the box, then sell the unused account (the account, not the CD / manual)
MeWhiteWolf
01-04-05, 14:06
yeah maybe.... or maybe just convice another to join - got 2 to sign up so far ;)
Pepper pub sounds cool, and I really DO believe in the idea of spider caves in the grasslands. We can already see the idea from the Level 7 Storage (so called spider cellars - great for an AoEing noob). Spiders are the predominate mob in the grasslands (except dragonflies, and NOONE wants a dragonfly cave) so it seems logical enough. It gives the grasslands some meaning. At the moment grasslands/cliffline and Steppes are the only zones lacking caves - why not change this?
Also, seeing as we keep being told Reagan'ts legacy isnt going to be reopened - why not follow Porker's idea of moving them to the Main Sewers - or putting new "filteration unit" hatches (a bit like DoY sidestreet doors) in mainsewers, which then conatin the Reagant's dudes - with a commander at the end. Make the horriffic, nasty maze that is mainsewers worth exploring. Maybe make an opening in Plaza or VR as well - maybe anti cities would use mainsewers too.
How about this... at the coast sectors (A-10, A-11, B-11) when you have killed off all the wee crabs, u should have an underwater crab cave.... with bigger and bigger crabs until u get to the 120/120 Crab King... who drops an uber exoskeleton like armour with a low-ish requirement that all classes can use (im thinking of monks too) that gives super pierce and force resists. (But no energy, fire or xray so as not to make the monks too unbalanced)
As for the Regant's legacy option, if the zone itself isn't going to be opened again, just dot a few random regant mutants in and around E-03 like in NC1, only with the greater concentrations closer to E-03.
Hell-demon
01-04-05, 18:26
King wee crab!
Heh - my thought of item for the Spider caves was "spidersilk armour" Either trousers or vest that gave uber pierce/force. Heh, and my clanmate was searching for underwater caves the other day.
Obsidian X
01-04-05, 19:57
How about this... at the coast sectors (A-10, A-11, B-11) when you have killed off all the wee crabs, u should have an underwater crab cave.... with bigger and bigger crabs until u get to the 120/120 Crab King... who drops an uber exoskeleton like armour with a low-ish requirement that all classes can use
Would you look like a crab while wearing it? I think everyone would want crab PA :P
Good idea though.
Word on the street is 29th April
Would you look like a crab while wearing it? I think everyone would want crab PA :P
Good idea though.
"Sir, we got incoming!"
"How many and what?"
"I see four tanks, six PEs and a few crabs! And the crabs are buffing everyone!"
"......"
:angel:
Just to keep you all up to date (and to honour my commitment to give you the straight dope whether it's good or bad). The latest news is that we are still waiting for a specific release date from our distributors (Atari) but they assure us it will be within the next two weeks. No one wants NC2 to be on the shelves more than we do so please bear with us.
In a valiant effort to end on a high note I noticed another full-page ad in a major UK games magazine yesterday - page 51 of PC Zone. ;)
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MeWhiteWolf
08-04-05, 13:06
I think almost a year ago now someone (player) suggested you take a PR role for KK.
I responded that you were not about fluffing things out, you were straight forward and truthful - everything that PR is not about.
I was wrong about it being a bad position for you, you remain straight forward and truthful, which is everything the communtiy wanted it seems.
A big pat on the back from a forum wallflower.
well done Niddy
... they assure us it will be within the next two weeks.At the risk of beating a dead horse, tell me again why we can't have the patch before then, why it wouldn't be a good idea to have a hundred or so players run through the profession missions to make sure they're debugged and clearly written, and to make sure that the beginner profession mission rewards aren't bugged or exploitable, and so we can document them and/or answer questions about them when the new people grab the boxes off the shelves?
Greed. We all know what happens with "big" patches, in any MMORPG, nevermind the known bug-fest that is Neocron. There will be a need for hotifx. Hell, remember patch 128 that just plain broke the servers? You're already trying to hide all the disco panted/bald/warbot runners from the new players on international release - don't drop a buggy patch on their heads. Drop it on us, cos we're used to it and maybe we can find out whats wrong with it first.
Greed. We all know what happens with "big" patches, in any MMORPG, nevermind the known bug-fest that is Neocron. There will be a need for hotifx. Hell, remember patch 128 that just plain broke the servers? You're already trying to hide all the disco panted/bald/warbot runners from the new players on international release - don't drop a buggy patch on their heads. Drop it on us, cos we're used to it and maybe we can find out whats wrong with it first.
Well said that man!
Have to admit, they have a point.
And judging by KK's bad luck with Murphy's law in the past, I would imagine KK would want to stress test the shit out of it first if given the time, which seems to been given to them on a silver plate. :)
This delay by Atari could be a blessing in disguise, use it for once.
Oh and BTW, cheers and Beers to Nid for doing a damn good job as liaison.(even though he's a pain in the ass sometimes) :p
Dr Strange
08-04-05, 15:15
Just to keep you all up to date (and to honour my commitment to give you the straight dope whether it's good or bad). The latest news is that we are still waiting for a specific release date from our distributors (Atari) but they assure us it will be within the next two weeks. No one wants NC2 to be on the shelves more than we do so please bear with us.
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Not trolling or anything, honest question;
Is that an additional two weeks starting today (give or take) or the previous two weeks? I mention it cause when March 25th rolled around you gave us the two week estimate which I said would be around April 8th and well, it's April 8th. So another two weeks (roughly) will be almost a month off schedule of the projected March 25th date, right?
I wouldn't ask a question of that, flaming nature its just out of a company as big as Atari I'd expect more, I mean they do produce the Unreal games these days (with their flagship company Epic) and those have been ontime since well, forever really (minus the gap between Unreal Tournament 1 and UT2k3). It's like EA (the devil company they are) releasing Madden NFL Insert Year Here, a month late, it can happen yea but you just dont expect it. If that makes any sense..
Will the international release be simultaneous to several countries ?
Like UK + FR + US + IT + ... all those countries would see the NC2 CD box out the same day.
Will it be something like that or will there be different date on different countries ?
and those "only 2 more weeks" would stack up to a pile of nice another 2 months of nothing.
yes, we get a better game expirience with the new players but i cant see why the new players deserve the new content more them the old.
Will the international release be simultaneous to several countries ?
Like UK + FR + US + IT + ... all those countries would see the NC2 CD box out the same day.
Will it be something like that or will there be different date on different countries ?
As far as we know, the US release wont happen with the International Release. There was a comment of some decisions happening with the US release but nothing is definate yet...
Dr Strange
08-04-05, 15:28
and those "only 2 more weeks" would stack up to a pile of nice another 2 months of nothing.
yes, we get a better game expirience with the new players but i cant see why the new players deserve the new content more them the old.
Personally I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. I mean we saw patch 130 the other week, a nice 18 megs of new stuff. Plus I'm sure amongst that new stuff is all the cool shit the Art Department has been cranking out. A little wait for that I can do.
As for the content, it depends on view. A new player already has a ton of content to explore. Hell I've been playing almost 6 and a half months and I still haven't done everything or explored everything. By now this is when shit gets good, when you are getting into the pvp, or events or any number of things to do. New players have enough to literally keep them busy a good few months even if they played 12+ hours a day every day. In that view point it favors new content, now, for current/older players. But if they save some new content for IR, then it seems like an extra bonus for box buyers, cause if you look at it our bonus was getting the game 6 months in advance of its main release. Though we dont get a manual or a fancy map, we got 6 months of game time, ahead of most "new" players. (cd's to install are irrelevant in the age of broadband and cheap blank cd-rs, so while they gain that when they purchase, a simple download and burn is the same for us).
Either way we get new shit, be it in 5 minutes of now or 5 months. MMORPGs are always changing and evolving, even NC has to add/modify shit at some point, waiting is half the fun.
LoooooooooooooooooooooooooL be prepared for another delay but this time its not kk's fault
LoooooooooooooooooooooooooL be prepared for another delay but this time its not kk's fault
If it's a paperwork problem, it is KKs fault that they didn't start the paperwork process early enough to meet the deadline. If you miss a deadline it is always your fault because you didn't predict the events that made you miss it.
Only time I could forgive someone for missing a deadline is if that person spent 25% of the project time in a hospital after an assasination attempt from a competitor. (PHB mode :))
LoooooooooooooooooooooooooL be prepared for another delay but this time its not kk's faultAtari messed something up ?
If it's a paperwork problem, it is KKs fault that they didn't start the paperwork process early enough to meet the deadline. ...
what paperwork you talkin off ? searching a publisher or what ? getting a rating and printing a box is a pub lisher job.
Atari messed something up ?
yep stock issues
Dr Strange
17-04-05, 08:25
so, how's that International Release coming?
this coming Friday will be the "2 week delay" from the last brief announcement we recieved.
any new word on that? i assume the rating has been obtained and their simply repackaging things with this rating and whatnot.
with all the new interviews and reviews in gaming magazines, have they been updated to reflect the past release date?
I still remember those nice games i always went shopping bcoz of the box
in 80's they sold text adventure games manufactured by infocom.
those boxes where the salt each box was beautiful and had insane crap in it
crpa that is not worth anything but humoristic shit from the game content.
some of the boxes i remember were like scubadive masks and stuff.
how about putting in sum weird shit in these retail boxes liek nice cst faction licenses, nc id card, chitin? and all that kinda crap i mean with such nice things in it and well designed even i go shoppe and buy the box...
now that i look on my game shelf... i have 8 yes goddamn 8 original nc1 boxes gathering dust in there.
Anyone remember these marvellous infocom beautyboxes with crapsor in them?
Jesterthegreat
17-04-05, 15:51
i cant see why the new players deserve the new content more them the old.
too fucking right
Meliglianor
17-04-05, 16:29
i think that is pretty obvious: KK needs more money maybe to hire more programers or whatever, for that they need more people that keeps on playing, and therefore it's very important to have a good newbie experience. And to be honest if KK can get more personell developing NC that will only make the future patching/upgrading/maintenance of NC more efficient.
[edit]: But to be honest: if they would the choice up to me, i wouldn't mind more stuff for us old players ;)
...
those boxes where the salt each box was beautiful and had insane crap in it
crpa that is not worth anything but humoristic shit from the game content.
.... well i remember boxes with like ultima ... and boxes that contain manuals. i dont say "thoses where the days" because a good game only needs a good tutorial, paper map and a flyer with the keys. but little thingys are cool.
with my NC1 box i get a nice mousepat - plastik with exelent glide ability.
on the patch: yes, such deals suck and i hope there is no further delay because i really like to play NC again after a small downtime.
but we need things to see in the world or the fun wears of pretty fast again.
While I agree that KK really should release the patch ASAP and not hold out for international release, I don't think you guys should be criticizing them for the delay of the international (apparently, international means europe only, joking of coruse) release. There are plenty of factors I'm sure plenty of you are uninformed about and prehaps some of you are informed about the process. I have to give credit where it's due since I'm surprised KK was able to secure funding from atari and secure a release that quickly.
Jesterthegreat
17-04-05, 17:38
While I agree that KK really should release the patch ASAP and not hold out for international release, I don't think you guys should be criticizing them for the delay of the international (apparently, international means europe only, joking of coruse) release. There are plenty of factors I'm sure plenty of you are uninformed about and prehaps some of you are informed about the process. I have to give credit where it's due since I'm surprised KK was able to secure funding from atari and secure a release that quickly.
doy was origionally planned for "release" god knows how many years ago...
dont tell us what we should or shouldnt feel.
I still remember those nice games i always went shopping bcoz of the box
in 80's they sold text adventure games manufactured by infocom.
those boxes where the salt each box was beautiful and had insane crap in it
crpa that is not worth anything but humoristic shit from the game content.
some of the boxes i remember were like scubadive masks and stuff.
how about putting in sum weird shit in these retail boxes liek nice cst faction licenses, nc id card, chitin? and all that kinda crap i mean with such nice things in it and well designed even i go shoppe and buy the box...
now that i look on my game shelf... i have 8 yes goddamn 8 original nc1 boxes gathering dust in there.
Anyone remember these marvellous infocom beautyboxes with crapsor in them?
Erm, I think the reason they don't package that crap with games anymore is due the the fact that it would be incredibly expensive? Back then games could be created in the span of a month, so packaging something in would only increase the cost to allow developers to gain more money from their products. Now, games cost millions to create and take years, so packaging somthing in with the game would only increase the cost, so instead of a nice 40-50$ package, you would be stuck with something that is around 100$.
Seriously though, why do you care so much about what is in a box? Box != Game Quality.
I'm down with what Jest is saying.
Jesterthegreat
17-04-05, 17:44
this "unreleased" mmo was one of the most expensive on the market last i looked...
not bad for something not yet released eh?
doy was origionally planned for "release" god knows how many years ago...
dont tell us what we should or shouldnt feel.
Boy,I sure didn't know that, you know since I have been playing since september 2002 and all that, yeah I'm just a stupid ignorent newbie.
Jester, when I have been playing, I have continually monitered KK's status. When I haven't been playing, I have been continually monitering KK's and the communities status.
Dome of york was originally planned for release in april 2003, it was then setback to a summer 2003 release date, then a holiday 2003 release date. Then april 2004, then sepetember first 2004. Beta was released september 9th(It was around this date, not sure if this is the exact one) and ran until september 30th, where the game was released 3 days later.
Originally dome of york was planned as a simple expansion pack, but I guess KK decided to add more and more content in to create the game we have today. I don't see revising stale content as a bad thing really, and time USUALLY equates to quality, but not in all cases. This time, it was a significant improvement over Neocron 1, and the only reason all of you say it wasn't is because a large portion of members left in the transfer from Neocron to Neocron 2. Why? Upgrade price, lack of patience, any number of reasons. But Neocron 2 is basically Neocron++, nothing HUGE has changed to make the game feel any different.
Yes, rekktor isn't perfect by ANY means, but that doesn't automatically cause them to be a terrible development company. I really just wish KK would have better communication with the community, which they are attempting.
this "unreleased" mmo was one of the most expensive on the market last i looked...
not bad for something not yet released eh?
monthly fee is the cost it takes for server upkeep, continued employee payment, game content updates, bandwidth costs, and profit in order to keep the company going. My guess would be that due to neocron 2's small player base and tremendous bandwidth and server costs (neocron 2's system of FPS like combat is much more bandwidth intensive than just point, click, attack button, wait, dead) requries a higher (by oh god no not two cents please anything but two cents) cost.
If you don't like it, then cease payments and quit the game. I would like to see rekktor continue to function while paying for one of the better mmo's on the market. So I will happily fork over the dough. Atleast until KK gives me a good reason not to.
Heavyporker
17-04-05, 19:03
Ryen... you think if the neocron2 population gets larger, the monthly fees will fall because per-customer costs basically fall as they are distrubuted?
I very much doubt it.
Boy,I sure didn't know that, you know since I have been playing since september 2002 and all that, yeah I'm just a stupid ignorent newbie.
Jester, when I have been playing, I have continually monitered KK's status. When I haven't been playing, I have been continually monitering KK's and the communities status.
Does it give you the right to tell other people how to feel, just because you´ve been here longer???
You know theoretically that would mean that KK since they made it, they were first, then they could just tell you "you love this game" and you would be forced by law to love it, just cuz they had been there longer... nice going.
And as for your "studies of neocronian communications" then you must have been on the sideline, watching and not participating in the actual debates and showing your points. (i base this on your forum join date, since if you had been participating in forum debates, you would have had a way earlier join date, or have 2 forum users which is against the forum rules...)
now besides that, the only safe thing to say about the international release is that we can hope it attracts more people, cuz there actually is nothing certain to say.
the game has been available for (free) download for ages, and to be quite honest i think all that knew about it or heard about it, has given it a chance, and the only thing the international release will give extra is the odd customer that goes down, sees the box, thinks "This looks cool, i gotta try it", buys the box takes it home, spends a few weeks dealing with c2p, then decided whether or not he/she likes the game. And I just personally don´t know many people that do that.
and i sure agree with heavyporkers thinking, that the game wont be cheaper just cuz more people join in...
the price for playing the game has been the same all the time, why change that... its nice knowing what you gotta expect as the expense instead of having some fluid goo, that suddenly hammers your entire economy or gives you enough extra cash a month to send you into a shoppingspree...
cant be bothered reading anymore posts, even though i probably would have had something to say to them... just popped in, read a few, and quite frankly i got real pissed at the attitude Ryen threw on the table in the first post i read.
Jesterthegreat
17-04-05, 23:43
naim pretty much sums it up.
:edi: and note ryen... not once did i call you a noob etc. not once did i comment on your forum join date.
all i did was state the following:
i have every right to feel however the hell i want. and kk have not enforced a "say we are great" rule on these forums, so i have as much right to post my opinion as you.
these forums arent a requirement for KK... they chose to host them. im not saying i have the right to post here... im saying i have the same right to state my opinion as you do.
When is international release?
When is international release?
How long is a piece of rock with Atari written thru the middle ?
I remember this kinda stuff happening back when CDV were releasing the game :\
Erm, I think the reason they don't package that crap with games anymore is due the the fact that it would be incredibly expensive? Back then games could be created in the span of a month, so packaging something in would only increase the cost to allow developers to gain more money from their products. Now, games cost millions to create and take years, so packaging somthing in with the game would only increase the cost, so instead of a nice 40-50$ package, you would be stuck with something that is around 100$.
Seriously though, why do you care so much about what is in a box? Box != Game Quality.
loooool u reckon the stuff they pack with games costs $50 what are they packaging a second game? lol
Delays are fine if they are warranted and actually make a difference.
Delays plus a buggy sloppy release or re-release\expansion :rolleyes:
are bullshit, to be honest.
naim pretty much sums it up.
:edi: and note ryen... not once did i call you a noob etc. not once did i comment on your forum join date.
all i did was state the following:
i have every right to feel however the hell i want. and kk have not enforced a "say we are great" rule on these forums, so i have as much right to post my opinion as you.
these forums arent a requirement for KK... they chose to host them. im not saying i have the right to post here... im saying i have the same right to state my opinion as you do.
Quote me on where I forced you to feel a certian way, because I remember doing no such thing.
loooool u reckon the stuff they pack with games costs $50 what are they packaging a second game? lol
I'm going to -guess- what your saying here, and yes. Do you have any idea on how complicated the process of game development is? Games cost anywhere between 50K to 10+ million to develop these days, with prices on the rise. The 50$ box is to pay for company expenses from game development, as well as recoup the box expenses and net a small(or large) profit. Adding some piece of shit in with the game will not help sell it, all it will do is raise the price of the game or put the developer out of business quickly.
Edit: Hey guys! I found it for you!
I don't think you guys should be criticizing them for the delay of the international......release
I'm surprised none of you caught this as an informed suggestion, rather than forcing my belief on others. Theres a difference between -
I don't think you guys should be criticizing them for the delay of the international......release
-and-
OMFG U FAGS HOW CAN U LIK THIS POS LOL OMFG U R SUCH FAGS IF U LIK THIS THEN U DESEARVE 2 DIE!
See?
Edit Numbre 2: Yes, I relize they are two opposing points of view, however they both clearly execute the difference in forcing an opinion and suggesting one based on information.
Ryen, its funny you mention that to PcP' considering he works for a games publisher/distributor linked with Atari...
Ryen, its funny you mention that to PcP' considering he works for a games publisher/distributor linked with Atari...
^^ and yes i do know how much it costs thnx and i know how much companies like atari have to spend on marketing.
Which is what additional items like things added into boxes they have to spend on. And if it means they sell a extra 1k units because it has a 50p piece of plastic in it that they get at reduced rate cus of quantity plus probably vat free on a business to business transaction i think they'll do it.
^^ and yes i do know how much it costs thnx and i know how much companies like atari have to spend on marketing.
Which is what additional items like things added into boxes they have to spend on. And if it means they sell a extra 1k units because it has a 50p piece of plastic in it that they get at reduced rate cus of quantity plus probably vat free on a business to business transaction i think they'll do it.
Like mentioned here, HalfLife2 is a good example, there wasnt just 1 version, there was bronze silver and gold, each one coming with more and more stuff in the bundle, and theres also wow collectors edition etc
Also one way to get a game NOTICED in the shops now is to put it in a box, everything is in a dvd case now, I miss boxes, the better quality box normally reflected the game etc because the devs had confidence in that the game would sell to splash out that little extra bit on promo stuff, a box stands out now because very few games use them, some GOTY editions have them with stuff likemaps, a storybook etc, Neocron could do this too.
Releasing a Boxed version, that includes say a A3 High detail CG World Map, Including maps of both cities, MB TH and the canyon, A small book with the storyline etc in it aswell as maybe some concept artwork postcards etc, in a ideal world I know, but sometimes these kinda things make the edge over wether they pick up Neocron cause it looks cool, or if they pick up the game next to it
Like mentioned here, HalfLife2 is a good example, there wasnt just 1 version, there was bronze silver and gold, each one coming with more and more stuff in the bundle, and theres also wow collectors edition etc
Also one way to get a game NOTICED in the shops now is to put it in a box, everything is in a dvd case now, I miss boxes, the better quality box normally reflected the game etc because the devs had confidence in that the game would sell to splash out that little extra bit on promo stuff, a box stands out now because very few games use them, some GOTY editions have them with stuff likemaps, a storybook etc, Neocron could do this too.
Releasing a Boxed version, that includes say a A3 High detail CG World Map, Including maps of both cities, MB TH and the canyon, A small book with the storyline etc in it aswell as maybe some concept artwork postcards etc, in a ideal world I know, but sometimes these kinda things make the edge over wether they pick up Neocron cause it looks cool, or if they pick up the game next to it
I was unclear, I fully support this. But the man was asking for the equivilent of a scuba mask.
I love a nicely packaged game. I remember buying dreamweb ages ago for my pc, it came with a t shirt, a book 'the diary of a madman' and of course the cd/manual. And I tell you, I'm still wearing that T-Shirt sometimes when I'm at the gym! :)
Nice thread :)
Well all I want to say is the reply to that the game won't be cheaper if more ppl join.That is even realistic as if more ppl join then more hardware, more staff, more bandwidth and so on. I just cannot figure out how ppl cry over 10-15 $ /month as you use that on beer and/or cigarettes anyway.
And if not that then maybe some new wheels to your skateboard ;)
Hmm, just a concern I wish to express here, but given how close to the international release we (are/might be), the three images below worry me.
First of all, we have ATARI.COM
http://www.freewillstation.net/core/ncsearch1.jpg
Now we have ATARI EUROPE (UK)
http://www.freewillstation.net/core/ncsearch2.jpg
And finally, everyone's favourite Jersey-based retailer
http://www.freewillstation.net/core/play.jpg
So, why do they worry me? Well, I can excuse the lack of a game page on the Atari site.. such pages are usually out of date when compared to the game / developers own site, so maybe we wont see one until the game is actually released. What I'm not seeing, is any kind of new item. No mention of the fact that they intend to publish it, no mention that it's coming soon, no mention of the fact that it even exists.
Secondly, and perhaps more annoying, is the apparant lack of information sent to retailers. Now, I'm not kidding anyone here, I'm an easy sell. I look at Play.com's "coming soon" list, and if there is a game there that looks like the kind of game I'd play, even if I've never heard it and it subsequently goes on to get a 25% rating in magazines, I'll buy it. BDoY isn't listed in the "coming soon".. ok, fine. But tell me, who is going to consider buying this game when there is no information about the game at all? I'm not expecting a features list, but at least some "This is the expansion to the hit* game Neocron" blurb, and some box art (sans age rating).. I mean, are they even going to try and push this game on people?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00080FCZU/qid=1114014680/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/026-8598113-9491635
5. of April shippin' 1-2 weeks :D
well who cares about atari, we dont want to buy the game. we just waitin for the announcement like "int. release xxxday, we are patchin tomorrow"
Well heres what i mena about the box contents took me sum time to find out all these links and boxes but i swear u even its paper and plastic and cheap crap in the boxes it makes ppl keep them on their shelf and show them off to other ppl which makes the name fly forward..
Plundered Hearts (http://www.fortunecity.de/wolkenkratzer/mond/236/plundered/plundered.html)
Hollywood Hijinx (http://gallery.guetech.org/hollywood/hollywood.html)
A Mind Forever Voyaging (http://www.fortunecity.de/wolkenkratzer/mond/236/amfv/amfv.html)
Well heres what i mena about the box contents took me sum time to find out all these links and boxes but i swear u even its paper and plastic and cheap crap in the boxes it makes ppl keep them on their shelf and show them off to other ppl which makes the name fly forward..
Plundered Hearts (http://www.fortunecity.de/wolkenkratzer/mond/236/plundered/plundered.html)
Hollywood Hijinx (http://gallery.guetech.org/hollywood/hollywood.html)
A Mind Forever Voyaging (http://www.fortunecity.de/wolkenkratzer/mond/236/amfv/amfv.html)
FFS!!
Clicking on those links started a fucking pop-up party in my browser! o_O
FFS!!
Clicking on those links started a fucking pop-up party in my browser! o_O
Firefox + Adblock = No ads
Athon Solo
im using firefox looked those links from google no ads no popups sorry didnt know ppl still use m$ internet exploder. :P
like one of those links wa sit plundered hearts there is printed money in it would be cool to own 100cr bill and few 1cr coins with the retail box and not to mention the NC id card and other neat crap with the box :P
and maybe even the gaya glove :P
so we can go out on winter with gaya glove and other neocroniblets knows who we are :P
Manosteel36
21-04-05, 22:18
..just one little thing...on the amazon and place theirs no picture avaliable for it lol.....anyway
ok KK or GMs jst straight out anwser this PLEASE FOR EVERYONES SAKE
when is the international release coming....seriously... do you even know??
you might wanna get cracking cuz your getting screwed over (parden my french) and ...just get them to advortise BEFORE it comes out so ppl get pumped about it and cant wait and then you'll be perfect just start going!!!!
thanks for listening
Dr Strange
22-04-05, 00:46
I'd never browse anything Google/Yahoo related without using FF and my library of anti ad/spyware/popup extensions ;)
lol i tried all the ataris, only the italian one lists it :)
http://www.it.atari.com//index.php?pg=game_detail&productID=356
Manosteel36
22-04-05, 02:19
well thats good...ITALIANS ROCK....anyway...now just to the other 100 billion other countries
Yay Italy! Pasta, Pizza's and acknowledgement that the game exists. Now, call me cynical, but..
http://www.freewillstation.net/core/play2.jpg
Digital-Talios
22-04-05, 15:55
I actually saw a guy in nc2 that was itialian. This was on the Terra server so there are some of them running around.
I still find NC1 copies in eb and other places here in the US. They go for around 5 bucks now :lol:
Just to keep you all up to date (and to honour my commitment to give you the straight dope whether it's good or bad). The latest news is that we are still waiting for a specific release date from our distributors (Atari) but they assure us it will be within the next two weeks. No one wants NC2 to be on the shelves more than we do so please bear with us.
In a valiant effort to end on a high note I noticed another full-page ad in a major UK games magazine yesterday - page 51 of PC Zone. ;)
N
It's been 2 weeks.
'nuff said.
Athon Solo
It's been 2 weeks.
'nuff said.
Athon Solo
Yep, I dont see Int Release anywhere. No release date, no boxes on the shelves, no mention on Atari sites. All I see is another broken promise.
Im beginning to think KK never had any intention of having the Int Release so early, they merely said it so that they can keep up their excuse as to why there hasnt been a content patch since February.
I notice even Nid has gone quiet on this since he said 'definatly' within the next two weeks. No mention of the release, no mention of a patch, no mention from Atari. In short, no anything for the community.
As Athon so rightly said, 'nuff said.
Jesterthegreat
22-04-05, 19:37
2 things may have happened...
1. an atari rep tried actually playing the game... upon logging into his new char (who was spec'd totally wrong) he got stuck in a sync... while pondering this he fataled.
2. an atari rep tried actually looking at these forums and saw people wanting nc1 servers, people complaining about bugs, people complaining about c2p, people complaining about the name changes, people complaining about tactic "x" (whichever you want... noob buffing, zergging... anyhting people complain about) and all the ideas people agree with, which are totally ignored / told wont happen.
...Im beginning to think KK never had any intention of having the Int Release so early, they merely said it so that they can keep up their excuse as to why there hasnt been a content patch since February.
...
better stop thinkin' ... there is advertisin and shops with an early release date. that publisher andnot developer stuff.
the problem is not the missing release but the missing patch and thats in KK hands
Dribble Joy
22-04-05, 19:55
2 things may have happened...
1. an atari rep tried actually playing the game... upon logging into his new char (who was spec'd totally wrong) he got stuck in a sync... while pondering this he fataled.
2. an atari rep tried actually looking at these forums and saw people wanting nc1 servers, people complaining about bugs, people complaining about c2p, people complaining about the name changes, people complaining about tactic "x" (whichever you want... noob buffing, zergging... anyhting people complain about) and all the ideas people agree with, which are totally ignored / told wont happen.
Public forums of any online (or offline) game are by their very nature, full of whines, arguements, rose-tinted nostaligia and load mouthed people complaining about anything and everything.
Atari is a vaguely experienced company and they should know this, and wouldn't have taken on the game without thinking that they might make a few bucks out of it.
As to the 'delay', KK have absoutely no control of it as all at this point, so complaining here really isn't going to do anything.
Heh, if comments on forums were taken into account in deciding whether to distribute a game or not, no one would be playing WoW at all. ;)
N
Jesterthegreat
22-04-05, 20:40
i never said it was right... and instead of "amusing" comments, how about an update nid?
i never said it was right... and instead of "amusing" comments, how about an update nid?
Ditto. Lets have an update.
Hot off the press...
We're hoping to patch to the international release level next week, even if the boxed release hasn't managed to hit the shelves. As always that's not to be taken as a guarantee (and you'd be daft for believing me if I said it was :p ) but it's our plan.
I'll try and rustle up a preview of the patch notes but that won't happen until after the weekend.
N
/edit - now back to my "amusing" comments :p
Dribble Joy
22-04-05, 20:57
I don't really mind, but it would relieve the boredom.
Update or I will be forced to go watch Jeremy Paxman interview Michael Howard, all the while my communist house-mate making daft comments.
//edit, curses, too fast.
Hot off the press...
We're hoping to patch to the international release level next week, even if the boxed release hasn't managed to hit the shelves. As always that's not to be taken as a guarantee (and you'd be daft for believing me if I said it was :p ) but it's our plan.
I'll try and rustle up a preview of the patch notes but that won't happen until after the weekend.
N
Nice!! Can't wait to see all the new noob stuff that is going in :D
Scanner Darkly
22-04-05, 22:56
Great news, Nid. So the patch is real you say, eh? :D
Thanks for letting us know...
I don't really mind, but it would relieve the boredom.
Update or I will be forced to go watch Jeremy Paxman interview Michael Howard, all the while my communist house-mate making daft comments.
//edit, curses, too fast.
Which is better Paxman or a FA Faction meeting? :)
and you'd be daft for believing me if I said it was :p
I saw it first, the best sig yet :p .
Jesterthegreat
22-04-05, 23:59
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Dribble Joy
23-04-05, 01:47
Which is better Paxman or a FA Faction meeting? :)
No idea. Since I only saw one of them.
Manosteel36
23-04-05, 03:56
ummm Ndogg wanna give us an update on how slow KK is pushing atari....o i mean when is it comeing out on shelves :p
ummm Ndogg wanna give us an update on how slow KK is pushing atari....o i mean when is it comeing out on shelves :p
KK doesn't deal with Atari, 10T do. ;)
N
Patch not out yet today...niddy is it coming today, tomorrow... what?
So how's the international release in Greece going on?
/edit/ thx DJ
Dribble Joy
26-04-05, 14:32
Hehehehe....
(Grammar Police: in Greece)
why even giving out a release date when you can't keep to it anyways? :mad:
any news on the patch yet nid?
When is the international release? When is the patch being released?
Well, I noticed on Play.com that the date is listed as "13/05/2005".. and hurrah, there's actually a little bit of text about the game. Not much, granted, and still no image, but it's a start..
13th May?
Well it looks like Play.com planned ahead :lol:
Play.com does not issue official release dates
enigma_b17
27-04-05, 21:08
any further word on when int release will be, and when well get a patch that fixes these god damn login bugs and stability issues!!!!
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?
I'm hungry!
(sorry, couldn't resist after reading the past X "contributions" to this thread).
still nothing on the patch.... :confused:
http://forum.neocron.com/announcement.php?f=2&announcementid=237
:angel:
http://forum.neocron.com/announcement.php?f=2&announcementid=237
:angel:
Lovely ;)
http://forum.neocron.com/announcement.php?f=2&announcementid=237
:angel:
Invalid Announcement specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the webmaster (helpdesk@neocron.com)
dead link
vashtyphoon78
30-04-05, 04:36
was supposed to get it march 25th...almost 1 month later no INT release and still no paypal thats suppose to come wit the INT release
I WANT TO GET BACK TO NC! 10TACLE HURRY UP WITH PAYPAL! :mad:
just wondering what the word is..
paolo escobar
03-05-05, 19:07
The news is, there is no news :rolleyes:
And dont expect any till a few days before release.
Now stop asking cos u know thats how it'll prolly end up :)
As soon as I know, I'll tell you. Remember that this is mostly outside of our (Reakktor's) control.
N
As soon as I know, I'll tell you. Remember that this is mostly outside of our (Reakktor's) control.
N
Patch releases are outside of your control? Ability to implement another payment system is outside of your control?
So... just what exactly can Reakktor control these days? Or have you signed over your entire lives to 10tacle and Atari?
We're not asking for the retail release on the shelves. We're asking for us devoted users, many of whom have been subscribing for years, to get the content when it's ready, as opposed to having it kept back until the boxes go on sale. This has the added benefit of us finding and enabling you to fix more bugs before the boxes do go on sale, giving the (hopefully large) influx of new users a better start, making them more likely to stick with the game.
Athon Solo
Dribble Joy
03-05-05, 20:16
They told us they would release cirtain stuff on int release, thus we won't see it untill int release, which they have no control over.
Or have you signed over your entire lives to 10tacle and Atari?
Life's so much easier when people answer their own questions.
N
Jesterthegreat
04-05-05, 00:26
someone needs to slap 10t / atari and point them to this patch.
show them the stealth and the issues people cause with it (stealthing capped apu's...)
show them the cm / nc high level missions not working already.
show them that the more stuff released now, the more stuff gets tested before the few players that dont read the 24% review find the game :D
Digital-Talios
04-05-05, 15:38
or how the rigger noob missions are well lets just say "bugged"
Well the IR might be in 8 days, or maybe it won't be, but blow me if there isn't actually some information getting to the retailers. Look, box art! :D
http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=cntdn&page=title&r=PC&title=592942
not the first time play.com has had a release date for NC2, wonder why atari keeps setting release dates if its the only one holding up the launch... any comments from Nid?
any comments from Nid?
http://forum.neocron.com/showpost.php?p=1803724&postcount=206
N
MeWhiteWolf
06-05-05, 01:22
lol i love it, linking will sure save u typing it each time ;)
thanks for giving us these patches in advance, and glad to see that (hopefully) all the bugs introduced have been reported and some already fixed.(apu stealthing etc)
side note - can't u use the hammer to lean on holger a little,
even if it's just to get atari to put nc2 on their own page?
just this minute checked UK and US atari - no search response found..
hey they could use the fan kit... if they don't have the time.
Its not the "release" data that's significant, Toxen, it's the fact that Atari have actually deigned to send the retailers some information about the game. A few weeks ago, that very link said "Neocron 2" and that was it.. and now it appears in the "countdown" box here (http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=navsub&page=front&r=PC). Thats going to generate more interest in the game, and that can only be a good thing.
If you want to look at it as a marketing technique, then..
As a good aspect it does generate intrest by been there slightly longer.
But also generates negative intrest by the fact it keeps gettin shifted back and frustrating people intending to buy it already.
Intrest isn't always a good thing.
Technical Details
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They're talking about NC1 there, right? :p
Release Date 13th May As is stands and its pretty certain atm
rofl PcP' until i see the box on the shelves or Atari spokesperson come on the forums and announce it himself (no offence nid your a great PR guy but as you said its ataris side) Im inclined to take everything with a pinch of salt. Btw nid any news on the second half of what would be the retail patch? or we actually waiting to official retail for that new code.
rofl PcP' until i see the box on the shelves or Atari spokesperson come on the forums and announce it himself (no offence nid your a great PR guy but as you said its ataris side) Im inclined to take everything with a pinch of salt. Btw nid any news on the second half of what would be the retail patch? or we actually waiting to official retail for that new code.
seeing as distributors recieved stock on friday and retailers will get it wed u can doubt asmuch as u want
Dribble Joy
07-05-05, 17:12
I am assuming you work in the gaming industry?
I believe PcP works for Atari....
Jesterthegreat
07-05-05, 20:26
I am assuming you work in the gaming industry?
that he does, though i dont know who for
I believe PcP works for Atari....
i work for the official distributor for atari
Original monk
10-05-05, 12:13
13th he ? thats 3 days from now :) im curious, i really am
would be cool if this weekend neocron gets overwelmed with ni.. euh new players :)
fun fun
edit: friday the 13th ? is that a good or a bad thing lol ?
13th he ? thats 3 days from now :) im curious, i really am
would be cool if this weekend neocron gets overwelmed with ni.. euh new players :)
fun fun
edit: friday the 13th ? is that a good or a bad thing lol ?
I don't think it would happen like that - the box isnt going to fly off the shelves. We should just see a steady increase od cluesless newbies wanting a resser/cster in Plaza/City Centre
Jesterthegreat
10-05-05, 13:52
"steady" being those people who dont read the reviews in gamer mags ;)
Wouldn't suprise me if the box did just turn up on the shelves on the 13th, the marketing coverage for the game as been in trend with what happend in the past, a few reviews here the odd interview there and perhaps a couple of fullpage adds in one or two pc mags. I think i've seen more advertising both online and offline for Guildwars in the past couple of weeks since its launch compared to all the advertisement i've seen for NC over the years including stuff that I've intentionally gone to look for.
Digital-Talios
10-05-05, 14:32
Hmmmm a influx of newbies. Public relations must be doubled to ensure a steady flow of MC5 converts ;)
ok wait a second.... *reads back* 'pcp is a FAnG member wow *stands in awe* didn't know any of you guys were still left ingame.
Heavyporker
10-05-05, 18:07
Guild Wars got like a $500k to $2 mil advertising budget.
KK's advertising budget is like.... 5 euros and a stick of gum. Chewed gum, that is.
Guild Wars got like a $500k to $2 mil advertising budget.
KK's advertising budget is like.... 5 euros a chewed stick of gum and a pile of licked clean kindershocolade wrappers :D
Cough, little adjustment :p
Jesterthegreat
10-05-05, 19:41
i know of at least 1 old FaNG guy in game...
ok wait a second.... *reads back* 'pcp is a FAnG member wow *stands in awe* didn't know any of you guys were still left ingame.
ingame is probably the wrong way to say it ^^
play.com now have NC2 in stock.....
Any news from the KK side of things Nid or have 10t/Atari just not told you your game is knocking about now, lol
play.com now have NC2 in stock.....
Any news from the KK side of things Nid or have 10t/Atari just not told you your game is knocking about now, lol
well, as far as i remember from some post on the newbie forum, nc2 was already out at greece like 1 month ago...
it will definately be out tomorrow now and the site i always use who are more than reliable are www.blahdvd.com check em out
it will definately be out tomorrow now and the site i always use who are more than reliable are www.blahdvd.com (http://www.blahdvd.com) check em out
Their NC2 info is a bit off.....Big Ben Interactive, lol
at last we will have our revenge..
i just hope they get it here haha
So, Play.com, Game and Amazon all say they now stock Neocron 2.. so that's it then? International Release is here.
[TgR]KILLER
13-05-05, 11:14
So, Play.com, Game and Amazon all say they now stock Neocron 2.. so that's it then? International Release is here.
did it really go by so un.. unsaid ? i dno the word for it lol. but i kinda expected a thread by niddy / odin / whoever saying.. OMFG NC2 IS IN T3H SHOPS !!!!11
Not exactly a gigantic population boom hehe, but let's wait a few weeks maybe we'll get 50 more pop on Terra :lol:
I reckon we will see a statement from Holger today, or maybe monday.
... maybe we'll get 50 more pop on Terra :lol:
hmmm, 50 ppl all the time would be cool ...
I reckon we will see a statement from Holger today, or maybe monday.
next monday is a 'public holiday' (Pentecost) in Germany ...
Hmm, make that next.. Friday. That's what I reckon :)
I'm checking up on this...
N
/edit - GAME in the UK have it in stock. Looking good. :)
Where be the international release patchage?
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