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Original monk
27-01-05, 14:53
im starting to get annoyed by the LE noob droners that hunt at MC5 ... thing is i cant do jack shit about em cause there LE'ed and they take zero damage what so all (from the commander and the guards) ... is that normal ?
a normal tank+ppu team has it going in there working togheter etc etc and a ../40 char can solo that place ? ffcourse .. the char doesnt get touched at all ...
if this is supposed to be hilevel content then i gonna make myself a noobiedroner also ... ya can make a /40 droner in notime you see
if this is an exploit then forgive me and delete my post ... and i send in some noob LE droner screens and how they behave in MC5 being untouchable cause they have an le in .. ..
if this isnt an exploit then i can better get me a noobLEdroner up and running cause its pisseasy gathering parts ... ya dont get attacked rofl
hilevelcontent ? not if youre a /40 LEdroner ...
trigger hurt
27-01-05, 14:58
give it a rest already.
people whine and complain about it. If you can't outdamage a guy using a Tl 60ish drone, then you have a problem...not him. I know a couple guys who drone in MC5 because they don't have tanks. Ask em to share loot, a few of them actually will.
Original monk
27-01-05, 15:10
give it a rest already.
people whine and complain about it. If you can't outdamage a guy using a Tl 60ish drone, then you have a problem...not him. I know a couple guys who drone in MC5 because they don't have tanks. Ask em to share loot, a few of them actually will.
give it a rest ? how do i know what has been said about it allready? i yust have my toughts about this whole LEdronerthingie ...
who said anything about outdamaging ? im yust asking ... is it normal that a /40 noobchar can solo mc5 with he's tl 60ish drone ?
i need a capped tank and ppu to get inside there and get a part ... while ya can yust level a droner in what ? a day maybe 2 and ya can solo that place ?
i still have my toughts about that O_o
give it a rest already.
people whine and complain about it. If you can't outdamage a guy using a Tl 60ish drone, then you have a problem...not him. I know a couple guys who drone in MC5 because they don't have tanks. Ask em to share loot, a few of them actually will.
It wouldn't have been hard to outdamage the droner at all if I could just stand there and not receive any damage from the guards and the commander. The droner can shoot at the commander constantly, while someone who's not exploiting has to take care of the guards and actually hide sometimes to not get killed.
It's a bug. Any excuses about not having tanks or whatever are just dishonest. The droners in there are simply just exploiting the bug.
sanityislost
27-01-05, 15:30
Yea this really does need to be fixed.
Any chance kk could make the mobs in mc5 always attack the meat sack and
not the drone? or just make it stealth doesnt work in there a droner isnt gona
have time to reload his quick belt while getting attacked.
SiL ..:..
Bugs Gunny
27-01-05, 15:42
Ive noticed that most people there are realy nice, and i haven't had problems with le'd droners yet. The only people i've had problems with so far are some pro-city teams. Somehow the anti city people are better at taking turns and sharing loot than pro-city. (i realy realy hated saying that)
The thing i hate about le'd droners is when they stealth to the back of a dungeon, then go afk, or forget to log off.
im using fc1000 droner in mc5, i think its not that bad damage.
usually if there is someone else already in i wait my turn 30m maybe 1h
Ive noticed that most people there are realy nice, and i haven't had problems with le'd droners yet. The only people i've had problems with so far are some pro-city teams. Somehow the anti city people are better at taking turns and sharing loot than pro-city. (i realy realy hated saying that)
lol i agree :rolleyes:
THE_TICK!!!!
27-01-05, 15:53
from what i understand of this post is....that the droners are goin into mc5 and leveling there droner with no risk whatsoever ? so they can continually shoot the captian with no return fire expected ? does the drone get shot at as well ? If so there is no way to argue for the droner he is takin advantage of game mechanics for personal gain with no risk whatsoever. in my opinion..and i WILL say biased opinion :D i believe that LE'D runners shouldn't even be allowed in mc5. lol go ahead flame away..i just dont think its kosher..to let a person in mc5 with no risk of retribution from the inhabitants.
It is annoying, I've been waiting for my PPU and I say to one of them.
"Our run next, we've been waiting a while. Go ahead now if you want a quick run ;)"
He says ok and goes in, comes out after and we prep and run in. Then he comes in and starts killing the commander anyway, that's not on, right?
does the drone get shot at as well ?
No. And that's the problem. At least some models of drones are never hit.
I've tried my droner against the guards outside and all drones I've tried are destroyed almost instantly. The droners I've seen inside were shooting the commander without ever having any drone destroyed. If the drones were actually hit, the cost of buying/building the drones would be insane and the droner would never be able to carry all he needs to kill the commander. I suspect noone would have any problems with LEd droners in mc5 then.
Bugs Gunny
27-01-05, 16:15
I've had people help me take down the commander, making sure they didn't do most dammage.
Quite logical, since it makes them wait less long for you to get the loot.
If people would work together at mc5, and drop their differences there, instead of wasting time and belts on harassing each other, everyone would walk out of there with a part in 10-15 minutes.
FF used to keep soliko open to all, but i'm sure some pro-city idiots were actings so selfish that they have now close their genreps to us. TY very much to those responsible.
Original monk
27-01-05, 16:18
not even talking about the anoying le'er that insists on killing each guard personally 1 by 1 after we killed the commander ... for leveling he says ... waiting 45 minutes everytime the commander dies yust cause some annoying lenoobdroner doesnt wonna let the commander respawn gets kinda ... boring
dont tell me he cant level at a better place ... like for example any other cave in neocron or the 2 other caves at mc5 wich dont have a commander in it wich spawn he can block ...
I have an MC5 droner, although I havent been in a week or two. From my experiences there it isnt the droners that are the problem, its the attitude of people coming in and expecting the droner to leave straight away so they can get the mc5 techs. I was more than happy to share with anyone who came in half way through one of my runs and asked could they hunt with me. But there were certain arseholes (no names but they were all pro city and not PAIN;)) who went out of there way to harass droners in there. After a while it was just a case of dropping your drone and letting the guards take care of them, but annoying none the less.
I have an MC5 droner, although I havent been in a week or two. From my experiences there it isnt the droners that are the problem, its the attitude of people coming in and expecting the droner to leave straight away so they can get the mc5 techs. I was more than happy to share with anyone who came in half way through one of my runs and asked could they hunt with me. But there were certain arseholes (no names but they were all pro city and not PAIN;)) who went out of there way to harass droners in there. After a while it was just a case of dropping your drone and letting the guards take care of them, but annoying none the less.
I agree.
I have an unLE'd droner that I MC5 with.
I have to gimp myself to stealth, if I get stuck in sync I die on either side of the door, if a guard gets in the right place when I drop my drone I die, if I am too slow or fast when getting my drone in position it gets blown up.
Now, a PPU/Tank team rarely dies in MC5. The PPU can rezz, the tank's wep doesn't get destroyed when he steps out, they don't gimp themselves. I think its perfectly fine.
If people think that a droner has to leave just because they want to get techs, they should be the ones who should fuck off. Why should any class have to suffer just because they can do MC5 faster than a pair?
fc1000 droner can take 2-3 hits, if they start shooting it i drob it right away and launch a new droner
Nikabolokov
27-01-05, 16:31
Heh, u think its bad now???
Just wait till my LE team of PPU, APU, HC tank and another PPU live there :)
Heh, u think its bad now???
Just wait till my LE team of PPU, APU, HC tank and another PPU live there :)
Well, its fine as long as you don't refuse to leave the cave unless whoever else whats to be in there leaves the zone. Thats classed as grief play.
If you just level in there, and leave to reset etc, then its fine. I think the current trend is that if another team enters (and they don't attack you if they are unLE'd) then you agree how many more runs you want to do so the new team can do it as well.
Personally I think that the other 2 base type areas in H_14 should be converted into MC5 areas, to give everyone the chance.
Went there with a ppu to get me some parts. 4 or even 5 LEd droners in there. Not talking to us, not even reacting. Killing the commander in no time at all, looting it, then relogging for respawn. The droners dont get attacked, the drones dont take damage. The mobs are just walking around shouting out warning. So dont fucking tell me its hard in there on a droner. If you die, go back, imps dont pop out, whats there you could drop anyway? Stealth, maybe a PA. Wow. Replaced in no time.
I dont wanna know how many parts theyre making a day.
Thats just fucking insane. But its too late anyway. Leave it as is, let everyone exploit the place happily Otherwise i know several people who got an extreme advantage of a bug. Once again. While i stick to the "normal" way, earning my stuff the hard way just cause i dont like exploiting.
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Got 2 weeks till i get off the net for at least one month and i dont think its gonna be fixed by then. Good thing is, when i come back i can probably get me MC5 chips for 500k each. :rolleyes:
Erm...
GM requewst queue.
Shazam - If they're being tossbags then You're well within your rights to get a GM to warp them to say... the chaos queen chamber? :angel:
It should not copme down to "If you let me kill and loot the com mander once in a while, i`ll let you happily exploit the rest of the day."
Thats fucking bullshit. Its piss easy using drones and we all know it. This can`t be it.
It`s way too late anyway but it needs a fix. I wish item tracking was there, they should probably just delete a randomly chosen 90% amount of mc5 parts collected in the last weeks. 8|
Nikabolokov
27-01-05, 17:00
Kinda agree on the more MC5 areas.. but possibly with some of the bigger clans it would be even worse..
Then they would have 3 places to camp and not allow any un-le'd players to have a go.While at the same time increasing their drop rate three-fold.
Bugs Gunny
27-01-05, 17:08
Xcuse me, but those "bigger" clans you speak of are actualy the ones forcing people to behave in there, taking turns and keeping the genrep open to all.
I wonder how many other clans would do that if they own soliko.
I will fight FF anywhere anytime, but in mc5 they are the nicest people you'll meet.
Nikabolokov
27-01-05, 17:10
I wasn't referring to ALL the bigger clans.
if I am too slow or fast when getting my drone in position it gets blown up.
Oh, bugger. The exploit doesn't actually work every time. Sometimes you loose a drone. What a tragedy. It must be really hard for you. Imagine all the money you loose on the drones. On a bad day, you might not even make the money back without selling one part. Isn't that horrible?
Have you filed a bug report asking KK to make the exploit work every time?
I agree.
I have an unLE'd droner that I MC5 with.
Good for you, do you enjoy exploiting?
I have to gimp myself to stealth, if I get stuck in sync I die on either side of the door, if a guard gets in the right place when I drop my drone I die, if I am too slow or fast when getting my drone in position it gets blown up.
Gimp to stealth? That's the price to you pay to MC5. "Get you drone into position" sounds more like "get my drone into a safe spot" which is exploiting.
Now, a PPU/Tank team rarely dies in MC5. The PPU can rezz, the tank's wep doesn't get destroyed when he steps out, they don't gimp themselves. I think its perfectly fine.
That's because a tank is supposed to take lots of dmg, a PPU is supposed to be able to rezz and that's the setup people take because that's what works best. A tank's weapon doesnt cost a few thousend NC's
If people think that a droner has to leave just because they want to get techs, they should be the ones who should fuck off. Why should any class have to suffer just because they can do MC5 faster than a pair?
Because it's FUCKING EXPLOITING
Yeah, ok so you can do MC5 on a droner and rake in the part, does it mean that you need to be a selfish cunt and stay there all the time, when others want to go in that have been waiting?
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Why should any class have to suffer just because they can do MC5 faster than a pair?
this comment right here IS the very definition of exploiting....
trust me I know many droners, and there is a spot IN mc5 where you can put your drone where it doesnt get shot and where the droner doesnt get shot....
there is NO FUCKING WAY one class should be capable of soloing MC-fucking-5
if so, please put up that door in the back that you could stand on and not get shot....
or put the commander back in the bottom room, where a tank could AOE it all day without fear of getting killed....
I mean fuck if a LE droner can solo mc5....a lvl 2/3 tank with a measly low lvl fusion cannon should be able to as well
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Remove the LE and prob solved... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Remove the LE and prob solved... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Tostino = win
There are several places inside MC5 where your drone cannot get shot. However, on several occaisions there have been droners quite happily doing it this way WITH A GM WATCHING.
So, regardless of what you say/think/wank about at night, you will just have to live with it, and if they refuse to share/leave then call a GM to spawn them somewhere nasty.
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So I get banned for what? Being right?
If I can not get banned for being in PAIN, I think I stand a good chance at never being banned. Once you know the mountain, you know how to climb it.
:angel:
could always just push the droners body into the middle of the room, they wanna exploit, fuck it, you mine as well too
You can't push anyone with a drone luanched :p
I already tryed.
You can't push anyone with a drone luanched :p
I already tryed.
Correct. However, you can always get aggro when they drop their drone, tell them its safe to walk out and at the same time get yourself killed by the mobs.
Oh, what a shame, they died :p
Original monk
27-01-05, 19:57
extract chill out, morganth is correct, droners has to face the same bugs as others .. but still its kinda diffrent
again i dont want aggresion or a discussing about what is good and what is wrong :/ i wanted to target a specific problem being that it is way to easy for 1 certain class in a place that should be that bit harder then other places
any mods can close down if you like
They NEED to make it so other clases then tank/monk can do mc5 without useing safe spots (in the case of a droner). Spy's and Pe's need to be able to get some parts too and its sad that there is no way to do it with a spy/pe (without being a droner).
500 posts!!!!1oneoneone
If I can not get banned for being in PAIN, I think I stand a good chance at never being banned. Once you know the mountain, you know how to climb it.
:angel:
So what your saying is, not matter how much you exploit, you cant get banned?
I'd like to see this.
So what your saying is, not matter how much you exploit, you cant get banned?
I'd like to see this.
No, I am saying that I know that KK will pick the smallest detail to ban people on, and that I am not going to get banned as I am not going to fall into the small detail category.
And PAIN didn't exploit, FYI.
RogerRamjet
27-01-05, 20:14
Yes it does take the piss, and i have screenies to prove the drones are not getting hit.
All i want to do is get a bloody DS, but each time i have to contend with 4 or more droners, LE'd like, for a good spot, and when thry have a specialised looter, we have no chance to even twock occaisonal parts.
And PAIN didn't exploit, FYI.
Well the few that did are no longer with us :lol:
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Im about the exploiting thats going on. If theres a safespot where drones DONT GET SHOT and youre using it, you are exploiting. Period. Thats what i`m on about. Droners exploiting MC5. Not you, not a single person.
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There are several places inside MC5 where your drone cannot get shot. However, on several occaisions there have been droners quite happily doing it this way WITH A GM WATCHING.
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So I get banned for what? Being right?
If I can not get banned for being in PAIN, I think I stand a good chance at never being banned. Once you know the mountain, you know how to climb it.
:angel:
if you can not get banned for being in pain that more than likely just means you werent cheating like the others were, thats like me being in a clan where one person exploits, they wouldnt ban the whole clan for one or two peoples stupidity....so really in essence, you havent really evaded anything(unless you really did cheat, and just didnt get caught)....
but im glad to hear that it is ok to safespot kill again....and I highly doubt a GM was watching you do damage to a 120/120 base commander while the base commander WASNT hitting you or youre drone, and did nothing, cause if this is the case, then I apologize to you, your just a pawn in KKs game of stupidity....
or maybe you are the retard for trying to make people think that a GM would openly watch people exploit and not do anything about it....
I tell you what, no use in argueing about it, lets just wait for official word from KK...cause I mean AFTERALL they never FIXED MC5 when other classes could kill without getting killed
i mean seriously I hate to beat a dead horse here, but lets paint a history picture here
base commander downstairs, tank AOE, tank couldnt get hit = exploit
glass in mc5, apus & tanks could stand up on a portion and couldnt get hit = exploit
back door in main room, you could jump on it and noone who enetered could see you, nor the base commander = exploit
so youre telling me that ALL these different aspects of people not getting hit whilst killing the basecommander were all classified as EXPLOITS,
YET, a droner who cant get hit, pushed, drone shot(after it gets into "the spot") isnt classified as an exploit?
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What extract said. All of it.
OMG all the tanks are exploiting in there too!!! They stand behind the wall so that they get hit less:rolleyes:
FFS...yes the drones do get hit in there and they blow up in about one burst. But if you use your brain for one second you could work out that the drone has a smaller hit box so there are much fewer occurences where there is a line of sight between the drone and one of the guards. Why should droners not have access to high level content? Why should people who have tanks only be able to do it? Maybe if people weren't such assholes when they were there the droners wouldn't need an LE. Countless times have ppu tank teams refused to share with droners which usually ends up with the tank getting less loot. Although I do think there should be more than one mc5 place.
OMG all the tanks are exploiting in there too!!! They stand behind the wall so that they get hit less:rolleyes:
FFS...yes the drones do get hit in there and they blow up in about one burst. But if you use your brain for one second you could work out that the drone has a smaller hit box so there are much fewer occurences where there is a line of sight between the drone and one of the guards. Why should droners not have access to high level content? Why should people who have tanks only be able to do it? Maybe if people weren't such assholes when they were there the droners wouldn't need an LE. Countless times have ppu tank teams refused to share with droners which usually ends up with the tank getting less loot. Although I do think there should be more than one mc5 place.
Those mobs dont need line of sight though, so if your drone isnt getting hit
it's a bug, and if your using that bug then your exploiting. Simple as that.
About the comment on soloing MC5, sure make it that way then, but give the
option to all classes & races in the game, not just for droners.
Oficiall word from KK would resolve this pretty quickly, I'm sure they have noticed
the thread by now and are probably talking about it or something.
Niddy? Can you please fill us in? Even if you havent decided on the matter
just yet?
Original monk
27-01-05, 21:56
the thread turned into a soap opera :/
THE_TICK!!!!
27-01-05, 22:21
very much so ..unfortunately noone has approached the base problem..if the LE'D runner can take up the space and signifigintley hinder or stop another runner from collecting and or killing in said space then that is grief play. Is it not...and if so what can we as runners do about it WITHOUT calling for the "assistance" of a GM...in otherwords cant we all just get along :D
Niddy? Can you please fill us in? Even if you havent decided on the matter just yet?
While I tend to agree with extract's summation of previous exploits in MC5, I don't make those decisions so I can't give an official answer just yet. An enquiry is currently in progress.
No more flaming on this thread, please.
N
/edit - my advice in the mean time is to play safe and think about what you are doing. If you can attack with complete impunity then it's almost certain that you are exploiting.
Well when I've MC5'd and seen an LE'd droner, I just talk to him nicely and say something like "Mind if we get the next run?", usually they dont mind as if you take turns then you both kill the base commy like 5x as fast, so doesnt effect the rate at which you get parts at all, if anything it speeds it up.
Just the odd arsey LE Droner that pisses me off... when they piss me off I just S/D the commy and go down to GoGu :)
But yeah Droners are getting Techs way too easily with no hassle at all.. takes like 3 hours to get 15 techs - take alot longer for a PPU, Tank team..
and I swear if I hear KK say anything along the lines of.. "This isn't an exploit, droners are suppose to be uber-leet in mc5.. well not really. But do you honestly think we give a flying f*** what the english speaking community think?"
... I'm gunna...
cry :(
*editx2* Forget my last part. People (I) do strange things when..... I just do strange things. - ummm spam.
Those mobs dont need line of sight though, so if your drone isnt getting hit
it's a bug, and if your using that bug then your exploiting. Simple as that.
If the centre of their model can aim at the your hitbox then they shoot. So yes they do use a line of sight. Otherwise you would get hit through walls
Jesterthegreat
28-01-05, 00:11
It should not copme down to "If you let me kill and loot the com mander once in a while, i`ll let you happily exploit the rest of the day."
Thats fucking bullshit. Its piss easy using drones and we all know it. This can`t be it.
It`s way too late anyway but it needs a fix. I wish item tracking was there, they should probably just delete a randomly chosen 90% amount of mc5 parts collected in the last weeks. 8|
couldn't say it better myself
Well maybe this will give people encouragement to make a character class that is under used. But noooo... you people want the tanks to have all the fun. I'd also like to point out that I actually don't have a droner so I'm not saying this for my own benefit
Bugs Gunny
28-01-05, 00:34
If they prevent droners from doing mc5, we're gonna see a lot of people leveling le'd apu's and ppu's.
Same problem again in 2 weeks.
It's probably started by people being assholes in mc5, with their le in.
And you can't stop them from leveling up another char with an le.
Jesterthegreat
28-01-05, 00:45
Well maybe this will give people encouragement to make a character class that is under used. But noooo... you people want the tanks to have all the fun. I'd also like to point out that I actually don't have a droner so I'm not saying this for my own benefit
this isnt about a class becoming used...
its about droners being able to solo MC5 with a single drone... and never get hit.
Sir ramic hobbs
28-01-05, 00:53
I havent read any of the posts in this thread as im short on time but what i did was when there were 6 LE'd droners in there just steal their drones when they drop. The Droners normally cant retrieve them to due the location :) Sheltering the basecommander is cool aswell takes the droners aaagggeess to kill him. (exploiting nobbers)
Jesterthegreat
28-01-05, 00:56
a single droner can hold 20-30 drones.
thats a whole lot of drones to steal before it effects them.
a single droner can hold 20-30 drones.
thats a whole lot of drones to steal before it effects them.
Yeh, and when they run out, it's just a matter of stealthing out to the gogo
for some more.
I've never been inside MC5 (lazy, I guess), but I have my own reason for thinking it may not be a safespot issue.
Not long after the Ion drones were released, I ran into a GM who was spawning random high level mobs in sector J_01, near the cliff about halfway between the base and the vehicle garage. All I had on me at the time was a few damage-capped TL70 ion drones (Mk I), so I put them in the air one at a time while things were being spawned.
What I found out was that MC5 guards and Y replicants can't hit an ion drone to save their lives, not even out in the open on flat level ground, not even at nearly point blank range, and when they do, an ion drone apparently has just the right resistances to take four or five or six hits from either one of them. I was soloing level 120 mobs of both kinds on open flat ground, with a TL70 drone. Both types of mobs took me more than one drone to bring down; I was running out of ammo before they ran out of health. Still, they were standing or side-stepping around on flat ground, firing continuously at my drones, and even at fairly short range only about one shot in 20 was landing. I didn't have any safespots, and I didn't need them.
But it's got to be something weird about those particular mobs, because Warbots and Warbot Titans hardly ever miss the drone, even at five times the range.
What extract said. All of it.Oh btw, did i ever mention a clan on terra? No i didn`t? Good. I mean, you`re in a clan, i`m in a clan, theres LE`d people aswell. I saw some LE`d people exploiting MC5. You know, they`re LE`d, they`re not in a clan. Are you in a clan? What clan is that?
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Apart from that, amen to what extract said.
cornelius5
28-01-05, 04:36
i have a non-le'd droner,
* been killed by runners in mc5
* been killed by guards because of runners in mc5
* been killed by guards while soloing in mc5
* been killed by sync on way in and out of mc5
if u read the names on belts in mc5, more than half are droners belts.
seems the tank ppu teams are mad for the fact that a droner can clear the
commander in the same amount of time or better.
if i encounter a team coming or leaving mc5 before making peace , i am dead.. period.
sounds like an le droner problem to me,,
but i remember in nc1 hearing this same drama about le'd tank ppu teams.
also could i just paypal someone my money to play , been 4 weeks..nid@paypal.com was it?
If they prevent droners from doing mc5, we're gonna see a lot of people leveling le'd apu's and ppu's.
Same problem again in 2 weeks.
It's probably started by people being assholes in mc5, with their le in.
And you can't stop them from leveling up another char with an le.
Right, donīt you wanna get the problem or what?
It needs nearly capped chars. At least one PPU. You are gonna die in there. It can take ages to take down that damn commander. Its gonna wreck your armor, its gonna wreck your spells.
I don`t get this "Hey, an enemy! Oh wait, he`s MC5`ing, let`s be nice!" shit. If i see an enemy, i kill him or i get killed. Simple as that. But now there`s a fuckload of LE`d droners from certain clans abusing MC5. It`s way too fucking easy for droners.
Oh and everyone and their mom already got APUs/PPUs, if you ever went to an op fight you should know that.
umm..............my mom has a hybrid
[PiN]Fluffy
28-01-05, 06:21
droners pwn
Gotterdammerung
28-01-05, 08:48
closed as per thread starters request
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