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Mechanicus
06-01-05, 17:30
logging onto my Pe i see pistol stats are still messed up
so what kind of template do most Pes go for nowadays and about how much weplore will i need for BoH/Judge?
thanks
You will want at least 140+ weapon lore for judge/boh to cap it completly.
If you want a "cookie cutter" setup like me, go for pistol combat and hack.
The cookie cutter menu at the character creation screen says that hack can be useful as pistols don't need as much weapon lore. I think "Infiltrator" is the profession name.
As pistols are not as uber as rifles, u will need to squeeze every last bit of damage out of them as u can, so don't waste a single DEX point. Stick as much into P-C as u can. Don't even think of vehicle use or recycle, u just can't afford it. I just visit a mine with a recycle glove if ever i need any more ammo.
You will have to sacrifice some runspeed too. All the best PE PvPers are drugwhores so expect to be noticably slower without drugs.
I guess it all boils down to whether you're more into PvM or PvP. PvPers should consider going lowtech and stick the spare T-C points into agility.
Dribble Joy
06-01-05, 17:54
You will want at least 140+ weapon lore for judge/boh to cap it completly.
Only because the aiming skill is totally borked. Lupus even said so.
I have 172 pc and 106 wep and I cap dmg and freq on my judge.
I guess it all boils down to whether you're more into PvM or PvP. PvPers should consider going lowtech and stick the spare T-C points into agility.
I only use one dex drug, I have 90/90 agl/atl and use a TC weapon. I also use SA, SF, ppr and moveon, so I have little in the way of dex bonuses from my imps.
Yeah I know. I asked him about it and that was what he said. BUT at the moment you will need that much to cap it.
i got SA, SF, PPR, Target 3, same as pretty much every other pistol PE (cept mebbe with a moveon instead), i got capped dam and almost freq
Dribble Joy
06-01-05, 17:59
Yeah, though I get 230+ with the stats I posted. Not like it takes forever to close.
Mechanicus
06-01-05, 18:43
i have like 65 weplore rofl
why did they fuck up pistol PEs
now we're the same as rifle PEs without range
Dribble Joy
06-01-05, 18:54
Afaik (though I'm not sure) WEP still does not affect rifle freq, so capping it is harder.
Thus making Pistols do more dmg at a given amount of skill, but without the range.
Unfortunately, as with pistol aiming, rifle freq was also broked and most riflers easily cap thier freq now.
Mechanicus
06-01-05, 19:20
do pistoleers whine about rifles now like riflers did way back?
and do they plan of fixing aim and freq
Its sucks that WPL is screwed atm, I could cap aiming on a Slasher with my 116 I have atm. Not LoMing anymore into WEP until they officially say its unborked.
All the best PE PvPers are drugwhores so expect to be noticably slower without drugs.
Thats bull, my current setup doesn't use any drugs (I use a BoH) and I run just as fast as any other PE.
My last drugwhore setup gave me 140 AGL and 76 ATL, so I ran so fast that I couldn't aim. However, the 514 HLT when self buffed is always nice, and slap on a Pistol3 buff and I had the damage of the spy with the CON pretty close to a tanks :lol:
Dribble Joy
06-01-05, 20:10
I have no idea.
There hasn't been much whining on either side, everyone can cap thier freq and dmg with much less skilling than before.
All this (afaik) is in preparation for a larger change to the way the skills and weapons work, one that personnally I don't like, as it may actually make things more cookie cuttered than before.
Thats bull, my current setup doesn't use any drugs (I use a BoH) and I run just as fast as any other PE.
SA, SF, moto3, reflex4, PA4?
Your defences can't be all that great.....
Transformer
06-01-05, 22:00
Go melee and double drug to your PoT! Teh win! lol. acutally tbh you can hvae one of the best con setups if you do but i dunno bout pistols now adays.
Mechanicus
06-01-05, 23:17
i agree drugs are 100% not needed for a great PE setup, i havnt used them in over a year and havnt noticed myself at any disadvantage
i have a HC PE too btw but he has no weps cause they were wiped (epic items) at end of NC1
Nothing can beat my sexy low tech rifle PE.
Low Tech rifles all the way :D
also high level hacker too :D
Mechanicus
07-01-05, 00:00
werent lowtech rifle PEs the 'cool thing' 2 years ago :p
lol i had a lowtech rifle PE, then i went lowtech pistols, now im using a Judge and i dont look back :p
Transformer
07-01-05, 01:05
Nothing can beat my sexy low tech rifle PE.
Low Tech rifles all the way :D
also high level hacker too :D
Had one. Was good for owning monks. Got boring though so I lomed him to Melee.
For a time I only knew myself and MKVenner on Saturn that were low-tech rifles lol, eventually I succumbed to Pistols in order to win more fights.
As for the weapon lore, you don't get much whining about the Pistol and Rifle situation these days because hardly anyone plays a PE. The specialised classes rule Neocron and have done for too long.
Dribble Joy
07-01-05, 01:17
The specialised classes rule Neocron and have done for too long.
PEs are as specialised as all the other classes, it's just the effect of (you guessed it) PPUs on PvP (and PvM) that renders them useless.
Jesterthegreat
07-01-05, 01:30
im loving my HC PE...
TL 81 Tangent Plasma Wave undrugged... and i get to laugh at idiots who call me a hacker for having a laser sight on my cannon :p
Low tech rifler is the win i have to agree, love my pain easer pe they stopped bein cool coz the rog got fixed and the stealth came onto the scene so most pe's lomed over, now the riflers are slowly movin back or goin full out for hl or somethin
Don't need drugs to be effective just they open some extra options and give you the chance to be at a advantage over the rest i always use em in my setups since they are there to be used and are handy pe wise...
as of late found it easier to use spy for the pe's jobs, fair does the pe's defense is better but i got pretty darn good resists on a spy setup so may aswell go for a capped executioner/slasher or healin light than a pain easer that took a nerf, a libby that took a nerf or a Termi that i aint really sure works or not lol
im loving my HC PE...
TL 81 Tangent Plasma Wave undrugged... and i get to laugh at idiots who call me a hacker for having a laser sight on my cannon :p So, you found it heh?
nice one jest. I would like a copy please, and a duel lol
So, you found it heh?
nice one jest. I would like a copy please, and a duel lol
There is really only one HC PE setup that gives you enough STR to use a Marine undrugged, lol. My HC PE is going to be using it, Tostino uses it, from the sounds of it so does Jester.
I see a lot less of BoH PEs (like myself) around now, plenty of low-tech rifle (Average Joe, Neo Pe), a few low-tech pistol users (Little Terror, eLCHi's PE) a few Judge users (MkV, wowzorz), one Slasher user (Viscious), one HL user (Notorious Fish) but no other BoH users. The only other PE I have known to use a BoH was Rith, but he left :(
Oh well, BoH's non-locational damage is sweet although I might go back to my old Slasher setup if I can't cap my pistol spy anytime soon.
Using a BoH requires pa though :eek: Or another 2 drugs...
I got 2 pes, one is lowtech rifler the other is using a judge, and both don't wear pa... though it looked way cooler in nc1 :( No pa and judge in nc1 was sweet as. But, that being said, I hardly use either of them, only to nf really.
Using a BoH requires pa though :eek: Or another 2 drugs...
I got 2 pes, one is lowtech rifler the other is using a judge, and both don't wear pa... though it looked way cooler in nc1 :( No pa and judge in nc1 was sweet as. But, that being said, I hardly use either of them, only to nf really.
BoH requires PA4. Nothing wrong with it, my resists are fine and have taken down non-PA counterparts just as fast as they can take down me. Although I was going to use a non-PA judge setup, but I'd rather go for 514 HLT and a Slasher tbh.
BoH requires PA4. Nothing wrong with it, my resists are fine and have taken down non-PA counterparts just as fast as they can take down me. Although I was going to use a non-PA judge setup, but I'd rather go for 514 HLT and a Slasher tbh.
But you don't look nearly as cool... :rolleyes:
But you don't look nearly as cool... :rolleyes:
Lets see, black PA or some skinny little turd with purple pants and a green shirt who looks camp as anything. I think I'll stick with my PA thanks.
EDIT: And if I stand still when NC goes to bed I am practically invisible :D
Lets see, black PA or some skinny little turd with purple pants and a green shirt who looks camp as anything. I think I'll stick with my PA thanks.
EDIT: And if I stand still when NC goes to bed I am practically invisible :D
Bleh, that is true :( I'll quote rev...
"I wanted to look like a flower"
Dribble Joy
07-01-05, 14:23
You have 512 hp with an undrugged BoH setup?
Your resists must be appaling.
Remember that hp-resist balance is the key. I have a ppr and a moveon, and I use BR3, but I only have 473 hp.
Jesterthegreat
07-01-05, 14:26
Rev's hyb half died to me in NF... until he cast a heal :p
i hate losing the PPR though
when i recap ill try a massively drugging setup... Camo PA, DB Sanc and TPC (maybe even rav if i drug REAL hard). and yeah i got my 4 slot TPW (dropped one in a warzone... fantastic :rolleyes: fortunatly i had 2 4 slotters :p) and ill make a load of BP's on my resser later... i want a 5 slot :p
fully capped with laser... 5 slot would be fully capped, laser, flashlight :p
You have 512 hp with an undrugged BoH setup?
Your resists must be appaling.
Remember that hp-resist balance is the key. I have a ppr and a moveon, and I use BR3, but I only have 473 hp.
I never get above 450 on any of my PE's.... I always try to keep them 400-450
and usually end up at about 430ish health. I never felt comfortable with more
hlt, felt like I was gimping myself to much.
But then again, it all depends on imps / playstyle.
Lets see, black PA or some skinny little turd with purple pants and a green shirt who looks camp as anything. I think I'll stick with my PA thanks.
looks like every other capped player going, think non pa looks good coz you know the setup is a bit diff and these days dont see many ppl pullin rares if they aint wearin pa.
I'd do it lookin camp, then if you died you can feel worse knowin a camp lookin pe just killed ya lol :p
Jesterthegreat
07-01-05, 14:37
looks like every other capped player going, think non pa looks good coz you know the setup is a bit diff and these days dont see many ppl pullin rares if they aint wearin pa.
I'd do it lookin camp, then if you died you can feel worse knowin a camp lookin pe just killed ya lol :p
non-PA PE in NC1 was sexy...
non-PA PE in NC2 looks so stupid... like a slightly beefy spy.
non-PA PE in NC1 was sexy...
non-PA PE in NC2 looks so stupid... like a slightly beefy spy.
Well didnt mean was like the best lookin just like seein em coz makes me think then "What armour is he wearin" when i fight em like to see how the fight goes and makes me think bout what i could be usin lol
Like titan armours n vk etc
and pandore is the place for a hc pe....
Tiger Blood baby!! :p
Jesterthegreat
07-01-05, 14:45
Well didnt mean was like the best lookin just like seein em coz makes me think then "What armour is he wearin" when i fight em like to see how the fight goes and makes me think bout what i could be usin lol
Like titan armours n vk etc
and pandore is the place for a hc pe....
Tiger Blood baby!! :p
81 str + 5 + 4 + 3 + 10 = 103 str
whats a CS, 105? (so long since i looked at a CS?!)
tbh with DB a TL 81 fully capped (self buffed) plasma wave is enough to be a serious contender in a fight.
and yeah i dont use PA as a HC PE... 125 nrg / xray / fire resists, 100 poison, 500(ish) health :p
if i double drug (which i cba to do... im drug free) i use DB sanc... any amount of anti DB drugs are useless
you can get tigers blood on pandore?
Jesterthegreat
07-01-05, 14:47
you can get tigers blood on pandore?
tiger blood = laruant hover drop?
if so since the guy whos intelectual property they are (or so i understand it) has left i assumed this wouldnt happen.
but since it exists the pandore GM's could allow the actual item ingame i guess.
81 str + 5 + 4 + 3 + 10 = 103 str
whats a CS, 105? (so long since i looked at a CS?!)
tbh with DB a TL 81 fully capped (self buffed) plasma wave is enough to be a serious contender in a fight.
and yeah i dont use PA as a HC PE... 125 nrg / xray / fire resists, 100 poison, 500(ish) health :p
if i double drug (which i cba to do... im drug free) i use DB sanc... any amount of anti DB drugs are uselessdont bother with the +3 who needs a cs use a ravager with db and watch ppl cry, tb is only +7 str but the agility bonus on it is feckin huge not only that but it makes some interesting setups :D
and yes you get tb on Pandore, involves collecting the shamen drugs and tradin them and some medi 10's (pp 90 symp has a use) and limbs i think to a npc.
You also get Crescent Tabs aswell from the same method one uses the mushroom the other uses the nightshade
Jesterthegreat
07-01-05, 14:51
dont bother with the +3 who needs a cs use a ravager with db and watch ppl cry, tb is only +7 str but the agility bonus on it is feckin huge not only that but it makes some interesting setups :D
and yes you get tb on Pandore, involves collecting the shamen drugs and tradin them and some medi 10's (pp 90 symp has a use) and limbs i think to a npc.
got 2 spies i never play on pandore :(
mid levbel rifle spy and low level cster lol...
ah well im off back to work, lataz :p
i thought laurents dropped cresent tabs?
Jesterthegreat
07-01-05, 14:52
i thought laurents dropped cresent tabs?
like i said i sunno :p
wheres tigers blood from then?
im really goin to work... any second
i dunno, i thought it was something to do with BD?
Dribble Joy
07-01-05, 14:58
PEs with Ravs?... that needs to be fixed... :p
like i said i sunno :p
wheres tigers blood from then?
im really goin to work... any secondThere both where Laurent Drops when that bit existed but since you cant get em anywhere these days AD made a little quest for them instead which makes you collect the rare drugs, some medi 10's some limbs and trade with a npc.
Pandore also has Anarchy Breed etc.
Such a underestimated server, pity the pop is so low AD run a good server just its in french which makes it hard for english peeps to get in with it all but peeps translate n speak english more now than they did cuz they see the low pop i think
Think all your Beast Setups, now replace them with tb (AGL+30 M-C+30 STR+7 ) no health loss etc :)
Edit : Got no prob with rav pe's since they are poppin a fair few drugs, just about stayin alive to wait for their flash to kick in lol
Dribble Joy
07-01-05, 15:04
Flash is almost irrelevant, they still have 5-10 mins of frankly overpowered..ness, then they will relog to get rid of it, a little trick which in my eyes at least is a fucking exploit.
Clown would take 10 drugs on his PE in OP fights, with a ppu up his arse to heal him while he relogged.
KK either need to restrict the number of drugs you can take at any one time or remove the relog trick.
Flash is almost irrelevant, they still have 5-10 mins of frankly overpowered..ness, then they will relog to get rid of it, a little trick which in my eyes at least is a fucking exploit.
Clown would take 10 drugs on his PE in OP fights, with a ppu up his arse to heal him while he relogged.
KK either need to restrict the number of drugs you can take at any one time or remove the relog trick.
well duelin they cant relog, its not overpowered really since its one server and not many do it.
In op wars, well finally they have a use :p
You have 512 hp with an undrugged BoH setup?
Your resists must be appaling.
Remember that hp-resist balance is the key. I have a ppr and a moveon, and I use BR3, but I only have 473 hp.
No, 350ish HLT with my BoH setup (which works fine for me). 514 HLT when self buffed and drugged on my old Slasher setup. Thats when taking 5 drugs (6 if I could be arsed to use Haz1/BR3) and wearing Inq3 kit. Wasn't a bad setup, however the drugging every 5 mins kinda took the piss, hence me sticking to PP3 fights in NC1. That and in NF I had to relog everytime I died (not often, but still :p ) because right click doens't seem to like me in NF with drug flash.
Non-PA PE setups tend to have better CON, but when you are going for the higher TL pistols/rifles you need PA in order to hit DEX req if you don't wanna drug. I am tempted to LoM my PE to Judge, and drug for BoH whenever I need to.
Transformer
07-01-05, 15:19
Non-PA PE setups tend to have better CON, but when you are going for the higher TL pistols/rifles you need PA in order to hit DEX req if you don't wanna drug. I am tempted to LoM my PE to Judge, and drug for BoH whenever I need to.
When my PE was high-tech pistol way back when...i found that using the BoH wasnt very good at all. Very little dmg and very slow. IMO i'd use the judge or drug and use Slasher.
Dribble Joy
07-01-05, 15:28
Non-PA PE setups tend to have better CON, but when you are going for the higher TL pistols/rifles you need PA in order to hit DEX req if you don't wanna drug.
Non-PA setups are generally used for libby/BS setups, which tend to be much better in CON anyway, depending on the way you have setup your other armour/con pa isn't much different from inq2 in the amount of armour it gives. Viperking is good, but again, depends on how much (if any) POR you are speccing.
Even on a lowtech setup, the PC bonus on PA is usually too good to miss.
I am tempted to LoM my PE to Judge, and drug for BoH whenever I need to.
Try SA, SF, ppr and moveon, expreflex4 and PA, 100 dex and with redflash to 105. Similar to my setup atm.
Original monk
07-01-05, 15:28
-> what about we get tigerbloods and crescenttabs mini-epics also ?
if not -> why not ?
i also wonna have some anarchy breed chars :/
im jealous at the french :/ et mon francais est horrible, pas suffisamment pour jouer dans un serveur francais :(
alors ? un peut de tigerblood pour nous :confused:
if angeldust finds out im asking for tigerblood to be available ingame he will kill me lol, he spend loads to get the only TB's on saturn :) dunno how rare they are on terra tough
and wassup with the antiradiationsuits ? can ya still get em ?
and snif, wassup with copbotplasmarifle's ? me cpr's all dissapeared when i came over :(
edit: i even heard rumours that you could buy em from CA when ya had 90 symph (in NC2 beta this was) is this true ? ifso why did they drop the plans ? anyone has a clue ?
When my PE was high-tech pistol way back when...i found that using the BoH wasnt very good at all. Very little dmg and very slow. IMO i'd use the judge or drug and use Slasher.
Well, the non-locational slightly laggy damage is good, does anywhere between 30-50 damage to a tank and thats ranging from PPU buffed to self buffed. Slow RoF is fine for me, helps me get every shot on target, although everytime I use my libby it makes me feel like LoMing to low-tech. Although saying that, I have got another pistol PE that needs some work, so I guess he will be a Libby PE.
Try SA, SF, ppr and moveon, expreflex4 and PA, 100 dex and with redflash to 105. Similar to my setup atm.
Made 2 Judge setups, one with PA and one without. The one without drugs for BR3, so I might go for that setup. Both setups were practically the same as yours imp-wise. Although I don't have a spare PPr atm so I might have some trouble with it :p And saying that, I think I lost a MOVEON somewhere too :rolleyes:
Dribble Joy
07-01-05, 16:03
Problem with that setup is that without the redflash it's SLOW, the lack of a target3 or balli3 dents the dex side of things.
I don't bother with the BoH so I don't use the expreflex4.
-> what about we get tigerbloods and crescenttabs mini-epics also ?
if not -> why not ?
For what dribble said basically
Ravager Pe's
Boc/vr/peacemaker Pe's
and i think Inqui armour 2 spies
40 str, Str Booster + 3 moveon + 3 tb 7 Beast 5
Since can go for 113 dex (sf, sa, mo, pp and pa 2 whiteflash) which gets rid of alot of the weakness to fire really lol
and crescent tabs... well +10 psi opens up a whole new world for most people lol
Jesterthegreat
07-01-05, 22:38
There both where Laurent Drops when that bit existed but since you cant get em anywhere these days AD made a little quest for them instead which makes you collect the rare drugs, some medi 10's some limbs and trade with a npc.
Pandore also has Anarchy Breed etc.
Such a underestimated server, pity the pop is so low AD run a good server just its in french which makes it hard for english peeps to get in with it all but peeps translate n speak english more now than they did cuz they see the low pop i think
Think all your Beast Setups, now replace them with tb (AGL+30 M-C+30 STR+7 ) no health loss etc :)
Edit : Got no prob with rav pe's since they are poppin a fair few drugs, just about stayin alive to wait for their flash to kick in lol
just made a PE on pandore :p
Mechanicus
08-01-05, 00:13
my BoH setup is undrugged with PA 3 or 4 viable (gotta drug 4 on though so i keep 3 in gogu), i have about 375 hp (bit crap) and more or less cap BoH, i have about 160 total ath/agl and i have the resists of the average judge user
not a bad setup, happened by accident when i had to remove my moveon for char transfer
So am I the only one that smuggled loads of anti-rad suits into NC2 and is using one? Spy-looking exec/slasher wielding PE-madness. I love it :p
So am I the only one that smuggled loads of anti-rad suits into NC2 and is using one? Spy-looking exec/slasher wielding PE-madness. I love it :p
How many drugs u use to keep that thing on?
Even if I can imagine it looking pretty cool I just hate drugging...
So am I the only one that smuggled loads of anti-rad suits into NC2
Nope, you`re not :P
But i`m not using mine (-> I have 5 PEs but not a single SA so the higher-level PE Setups are still out of my reach)
PE`s without PA are entirely viable when going low-tech
Silvana can take quite a beating with the setup she got atm ... not wearing PA, capping Lib (cept aim) and taking Redflash yields no speed increase imho ...
How many drugs u use to keep that thing on?
Even if I can imagine it looking pretty cool I just hate drugging...
I need 2 drugs to keep it on but take 3 for little extra health. Using drugs has never been a problem for me.
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