View Full Version : Ca First Faction Meeting On Terra !!!!!
Ok Guys heres are the logs from CA's first ever faction meeting on Terra. It was organised in the hopes to end interfaction wars and start respecting each other.
It will be one of many im pleased to say and went pretty well, a little ruff at the start but we got there in the end. So here are the logs fresh off my console. http://homepage.eircom.net/~clearyedsl/CA%20meeting.txt
i tmentions there a weekly meeting.. where, when?
If your CA there was a mail sent in game to all CA.
Its nice to see NExT isnt the only one holding weekly meetings. :)
Its nice to see NExT isnt the only one holding weekly meetings. :)
Hey, I should start holding meetings for DRE! We can all meet in my shabby outzone appartment... I have 4 chairs, so we'll have one free (if I can get all the DRE runners at the same time,that is)
I love my faction :)
trigger hurt
06-12-04, 08:24
and straight after this, darkh started planning to leave city admin and join dre. will be fun to see dre on the map again.
yea thats exactly wut i was goin to say....u can see that he is in the meetin talkin about how he wants CA to go together and in direct he is already talkin about going DRE......hmmmm
pain should really stop killing allies indeed .
Bugs Gunny
06-12-04, 10:16
I'm against allied killing also but what's realy frustrating is when you kill a doy clanned runner, they log a TT clanned alt to retrieve their belt.
After warnings you kill the TT, and all of a sudden you have an allied war on your hands.
If i see another allied runner trying to retrieve a clanned doy runner's belt he'll be considered a spy for doy, and hence be shot on sight at every future encounter.
pain should really stop killing allies indeed .
Says a NCAT :lol:
Says a NCAT :lol:
*hides* ;)
Read Through - A lot of irritants there that didn't help anyone.
Meetings are quite a regular thing for most factions you might find - AND they work too ;) Kudos on setting it up I can speak from experience when I say it's F**king hard to get the faction to sit down and behave!
I have a special appartment that's almost finished - which will be a place for angels to meet and discuss things.
Hopefully Your sorted now aye?
yea thats exactly wut i was goin to say....u can see that he is in the meetin talkin about how he wants CA to go together and in direct he is already talkin about going DRE......hmmmm
I have 8 chars. One is DRE already whats to say i dont play that. Something on the side.
Read Through - A lot of irritants there that didn't help anyone.
Meetings are quite a regular thing for most factions you might find - AND they work too ;) Kudos on setting it up I can speak from experience when I say it's F**king hard to get the faction to sit down and behave!
I have a special appartment that's almost finished - which will be a place for angels to meet and discuss things.
Hopefully Your sorted now aye?
We had our first one in the CA hq in a conference room. Nothing Special we werent planning the down fall of doy, just airing out some grievances. Hopefully each faction will sort them selves and then we can go city wide . Yeah there were a few asshats to start with but henry dealth with it. Hopefully by next week we will have prearranged topics, if anything i hope to get some RP going .
Well if this is for RP purpose, its good to see "although i highly doubt most people i've come across to be able to RP"
But lets see, i've been reading through the chat log, and here is my take on certain things. It starts off with what all meetings come to see, the idiots trying to mess it up, what i see in this meeting is a underlying content to it, the feelings towards certain pking allied faction clans, that point keeps poping up......
21:07:18 > basicly im proposing we have this every week . Many of you are confused about who the real enemy is
So who is the REAL enemy to PAIN if all we hear from other city runners is that they get faction pked by them?
21:08:07 > Every day Green on Green killings are everywhere , i have come to believe CA hq is the new Pepper park of NC1
Did you not bring it on yourselves?
12-05-2004 21:08:56 > Purple : may i just say that i can count several people in this room who kill allieds and a clan who is here a member today killed 3 allieds when i asked why he replied for fun so yes dark meeting may be good
Exactly, but a meeting won't change a thing, not with answers like this......
12-05-2004 21:07:52 > Lil Renagade : a meeteing every week fuck that i play a game for fun not for dealing with bullshit
It goes on.........
12-05-2004 21:10:54 > Praetorian : well it all started with pain really
12-05-2004 21:10:56 > Purple : there will always be that few people who wanna ruin it
12-05-2004 21:11:04 > Praetorian : pain have been fighting with just about every city clan there is
This made me laugh...
12-05-2004 21:11:04 > FAnG Cannings : the map is a fecking horrible colour atm
Thats coz your not putting up a fight anymore, most of your guys to concerned with getting their cocks out on allied runners to prove something to eachother, also the fact you lost some of your guys to certain recent events. You not trying hard enough.
Now this makes me laugh even more, this from the guy who setup the meeting to try and stop the inner pro city problems...
12-05-2004 21:11:08 > yeah i lead pain i know what your talking about
12-05-2004 21:11:25 > but i am the one who organised this meeting
Ah thats ok then, kill and piss people off, but make a meeting to stop it all and try and make yourself look like their saviour? :lol:
12-05-2004 21:11:38 > Purple : with all due resepect as much as i know what pain have been like so have many of us
Someone owning up to something here, the first to come forward and admit they was wrong in their actions?
But im still sensing something here, can't put my finger on it just yet.....
12-05-2004 21:12:07 > it has been like that
12-05-2004 21:12:18 > but open your mind to change
Hmm sounds like someone is asking for help, from the very people they killed.......
12-05-2004 21:13:59 > Purple : ok but for example today i asked an ca clanned member why did he kill allieds and he said 4 fun i will tell u the name later with people like that ca is a loosing force
More problems for CA...
12-05-2004 21:14:17 > this meeting is to put things in the past at least try to forgive and forget
So you ask the people you lot killed to forgive and forget, hmmm......
12-05-2004 21:14:36 > you have everything to lose and nothing to gain fighting each other
In other words you can walk out of this meeting now and can be pked in future, you won't win coz we will gank you, but if you join with us will be strong again "thats how that sounded to me"
12-05-2004 21:15:37 > Purple : ok but anyone can sit here say yes i agree walk out of here and be exactly the same sorry to like piss on ya chips but i looking at every prospective here
Good point made, can you really stop how someone plays their game, one single player might be a annoyance, but a large clan is a real problem and drives people away from the city and ultimately the game.
It would appear a few have decided enough with the bullshit around the clan PAIN, so left, but someone doesn't like it....
12-05-2004 21:16:37 > Buju Banton : it is simple
12-05-2004 21:16:56 > Buju Banton : as i remember darkh is the one who has agreed to kos of sxr and ups on one occasion
12-05-2004 21:17:04 > yeah
12-05-2004 21:17:07 > i know i did
12-05-2004 21:17:24 > at the time
12-05-2004 21:17:28 > it was all i could do
12-05-2004 21:18:04 > would you have done any different buju
12-05-2004 21:18:11 > Buju Banton : well
12-05-2004 21:18:16 > Buju Banton : forget it
12-05-2004 21:18:27 > Buju Banton : as you said we hear to forget and give
*i think he means forgive and forget*
12-05-2004 21:18:44 > Buju Banton : so lets hear what you propose
12-05-2004 21:19:02 > DecepticoN : dark, u mentioned need to work together as clan if we're to move forward.... pls state some proposals, and ideas
I'm waiting on that myself by now....
12-05-2004 21:19:50 > my proposal is we continue these meetings
12-05-2004 21:20:22 > DecepticoN : is that it ?? have a meeting - to have more meetings?
ROFL :lol:
12-05-2004 21:20:30 > a common understanding amongst ourselves
12-05-2004 21:20:41 > that we work togther rather than against each other
12-05-2004 21:21:17 > CA at first
12-05-2004 21:21:21 > but i would hope
12-05-2004 21:21:27 > that the city could have a city meeting
12-05-2004 21:21:33 > it would be infected with doy
12-05-2004 21:21:35 > but still
12-05-2004 21:21:40 > if we tried to work togther
12-05-2004 21:21:44 > thats a start
12-05-2004 21:21:50 > DecepticoN : is that it?
12-05-2004 21:21:59 > what else do you want me to say
12-05-2004 21:22:08 > ball is in your guiys court
12-05-2004 21:22:09 > not mine
Hmm sorry for being a wanker and pking allied runners, or telling people inyour clan todo so, hacking allied belts and the list goes on, that would be a start and maybe should of started the meeting with that.
12-05-2004 21:22:30 > DecepticoN : have meeting to have more meetings
12-05-2004 21:22:31 > DecepticoN : got it !
^^ that guy cracks me up LOL :lol:
12-05-2004 21:22:49 > Dr Goodhead : how about a course of aggressive action towards the forces of DoY involving the entire faction
Get on with it then, we waiting for some action for ages :wtf:
12-05-2004 21:23:50 > Praetorian : well with people of great insight like houston and lil renegade, no wonder allies are killing allies...
Thought the same when reading this.
Finally someone with balls speaks...
12-05-2004 21:24:07 > Ezekial Stone : personally, im fuckin fed up with the tossers in this city who want me to do things their way. But where are they when the shit hits the fan, when there's a fight on and assistance is needed?
The answer is they in plaza 1 ganking your tradeskill people and hacking their belts, or they off playing WoW ;)
We move into a side section now of a Direct msg between DarkH and Fanf Cannings....Exit left......
12-05-2004 21:24:03 > and you wonder why i dont join u4n
12-05-2004 21:24:15 > DIRECT> FAnG Cannings : nope i know y
12-05-2004 21:24:19 > DIRECT> FAnG Cannings : but i don't know y i'm in it
12-05-2004 21:24:37 > im waiting for the right clan
12-05-2004 21:24:41 > DIRECT> FAnG Cannings : same
12-05-2004 21:24:45 > DIRECT> FAnG Cannings : i need a clan to op fite with
12-05-2004 21:24:49 > DIRECT> FAnG Cannings : thats my only req
Then make your own clan, pick those only wishing to op fight with you, remove the fucktards who pk allied members or use hax, and keep it clean and fun, then you will get what you wish for, just like those years ago when it was more fun and less bullshit.
Back to the meeting at hand........
12-05-2004 21:25:24 > Praetorian : If i might say something... as i see it, theres only 1 way to stop allied PKing... and thats kicking members who dont understand it from the clan... so its very much up to clanleaders to make this hap
Won't happen, it takes a strong leader to kick players in their clan who don't do as told, and if the clan itself has they kind of attitude, its coz of its leader in the first place, I've seen this before.
12-05-2004 21:25:55 > Henry Dorsett : mr preatorian thats is one of my points
12-05-2004 21:26:12 > Henry Dorsett : the clans leaders should try to chose their members carefully
Never happens, most of these big clans are letting people in coz they are "l337 and pwn" people, thus bulk up their numbers to op fight with, the bandwagon jumpers, faction hoppers, whatever you wanna call em.
Mr Buju steps forward *all eyes look towards him*
12-05-2004 21:26:31 > Buju Banton : listen
12-05-2004 21:26:37 > Buju Banton : all of you chattin shit
12-05-2004 21:26:42 > Buju Banton : its like this
12-05-2004 21:26:50 > Buju Banton : we all from different servers
12-05-2004 21:26:59 > Buju Banton : and we do things different
12-05-2004 21:27:08 > Buju Banton : these guys wanna do no zerg op fights
12-05-2004 21:27:23 > Buju Banton : and the enemy always come with more and say people logged on and just wentr
12-05-2004 21:27:39 > Buju Banton : and then we have these twats here no dis respect
12-05-2004 21:27:55 > Buju Banton : but like ups one minute we cool and then next they attack us
12-05-2004 21:28:13 > Buju Banton : well the way i see it is
12-05-2004 21:28:20 > Buju Banton : everyone needs to work together
12-05-2004 21:28:27 > Ezekial Stone : I'm going my own way
^^ He/she isn't impressed with a meeting about working together after so many allied killings and lack of help when he needed it most.
12-05-2004 21:28:38 > Buju Banton : but then when we bein zerged other clans say they not goin to helpo us zerg
You got zerged, by who? nah i won't ask that, its perspective i know, been there done that.
12-05-2004 21:28:38 > Ezekial Stone : half the people in this faction havent seen an op fight in ages
I'll agree to that, being from the DOY side of it, we haven't either, and isn't that the core part to the game, the outposts for you clan/faction/city ? what would you do without the op fighting, tradeskill weapons to people who hunt all day? yuk!
12-05-2004 21:28:51 > Buju Banton : we being fucked by these fuckin ati city clans
12-05-2004 21:28:55 > Buju Banton : and we letting them do it
12-05-2004 21:29:02 > Buju Banton : darkh and i have fouight togethert
12-05-2004 21:29:05 > Buju Banton : and he knows it
The mob is getting angry! :p
12-05-2004 21:29:18 > Buju Banton : we even tried makin agreements with ff and they break the agreement
What agreement was that? never heard anything in the past week about anything, you fight or you don't, agreement IMHO don't work, always someone to slip up and ruin it.
12-05-2004 21:29:28 > Praetorian : buju... i still remember when you said "fuck the 50k and your clan is kos" to my face
Ops, the meeting slipped up, Buju's attempt to rally people together didn't work.
12-05-2004 21:29:49 > Buju Banton : well
12-05-2004 21:29:56 > Buju Banton : its not my fault your guys pking allies
TGM pking allied faction runners? either thats bullshit or things have really changed for Preatorian and his clan, really changed from when i knew them on Pluto.
12-05-2004 21:30:02 > Morganth : Prae your clan does FUCK ALL. You don't have any OPs, I hear of a TGM assisting killing city raiders
12-05-2004 21:30:20 > Buju Banton : its simple
12-05-2004 21:30:28 > Buju Banton : we hve never killed any of youyr clan members
He knows for sure there........
*In steps DarkH again*
12-05-2004 21:30:29 > OK EVERYONE STFU
Powerful isn't he, i want his babies ;)
12-05-2004 21:30:35 > Buju Banton : the only clans we have probs with are ups
12-05-2004 21:30:42 > Praetorian : thats how it is... PAIN killed my runners because they where red SL for changing faction...
People will take advantage if they think they can loot something from a RED SL runner, sad but true.....
12-05-2004 21:32:09 > FAnG Cannings : stop the fucking cursing ok
:wtf:
Anyway it goes on, the odd insult thrown around.
12-05-2004 21:32:39 > Praetorian : do you see us chasing your clanmates when they had red SL to join CA?
12-05-2004 21:32:48 > Morganth : No, because you;d get pwned
Oh to be so l337 and Pwn, such dreams.
12-05-2004 21:33:29 > Praetorian : well can you blame them? i have had several members leaving NC (the game) because they got fed up with this
NOW THAT IS THE MAIN PROBLEM, LOOK WHAT YOUR DOING TO THE GAME!
The convo turns to direct again and basically Cannings puts the idea forward for the old Pluto clan called AYB to rebuild, with pure anticity fighters only, so even in the middle of the CA meeting of people working together, they already thinking of moving to DRE to try and get away from it all.
Well whatever you do, goodluck and i really hope you do manage to get a real pro city clan going that gives DOY the best fights possible, but remember one thing, those runners you don't let in, will still carry on pking allied faction runners, what you going todo about them?
Anyway it went on, seems AYB is going to spring up, CA will have its problems and Neocron will be screwed up.
The meeting ended with a TGM runner being killed outside the CA hq, and Praetorian logging a combat char to sort it out.
Damn anima you have some time on your hands. What ever you believe then meeting was setup to stop problems and forget whats happened before. I dont play with a tag anymore not on my CA tank . Id say at least i tried anima. I dont know maybe you had a crack on it because you cant moan about zergs or nib buffings cause you havent had any op fights lately i dont know. I do know it would be good to stop the gank fest that is neocron city and focus on doy. I setup the meeting not to look like a savior btw. I set it up cause i said it was needed to henry and he encouraged me to hold it and backed me in it by sending the emails out .
I got about 10 mins an hour ago to post, went long afk looking after my new born, then finished the post, thought it would log my out or something lol
I've not had op fights lately again most of the players from neocron, coz since C2P and the bannings that went on, hardly anyone about to fight now, whats left seems in a mess, and you might have had good intentions with the meeting, but as you see to many arseholes to make it work.
May i just point out something, if you do go DRE and make AYB with cannings and fenix etc.. then good luck, but for the love of god don't let most of those lot from CA who jumped onto the PAIN bandwagon join it, if you played on saturn you will remember old PRO/Cartel/Shadow and each time a new clan was formed, so many faction hoppers joined, and still the shit carried on.
If you want a fresh start, then make it a fresh start, don't include the idiots, and lead by your own actions and expect clan members to follow it, if they don't kick them, don't give in to their bullshit, I've been in that position before, clan members out of control, had to remove them, zero tolerance to it. For a clan to be truely respected and successful, thats how you have to lead it.
Good luck with the new start, if you decide to make it.
tell me this anima instead of flaming me what would you have done differently. As far as i know most of pain are unforgiven now. As ive said before i have 8 chars ive played one for nearly a year straight, i might start playing another. Anyway the logs were posted up to be shown that we did achieve something in the end, so goal achieved
trigger hurt
06-12-04, 15:09
Damn anima you have some time on your hands. What ever you believe then meeting was setup to stop problems and forget whats happened before. I dont play with a tag anymore not on my CA tank . Id say at least i tried anima. I dont know maybe you had a crack on it because you cant moan about zergs or nib buffings cause you havent had any op fights lately i dont know. I do know it would be good to stop the gank fest that is neocron city and focus on doy. I setup the meeting not to look like a savior btw. I set it up cause i said it was needed to henry and he encouraged me to hold it and backed me in it by sending the emails out .
Stopping the gank fest was all up to you man. You were a leader of PAIN. If someone was KOS, you or Devils Grace put them there. Two months ago, I got fed up with the shit. Tired of having to watch my back in NC because my clanmates can't stop fucking starting shit with city folk. Tired of defending them when someone called them an asshole for killing them. Tired of listening to our two leaders bitch and complain and log off after getting beaten at an op. You never made any effort to stop the pk'ing then, but now that you don't have a clan to back you up and do your bidding, we see where it goes. I hope you enjoy DRE.
Stopping the gank fest was all up to you man. You were a leader of PAIN. If someone was KOS, you or Devils Grace put them there. Two months ago, I got fed up with the shit. Tired of having to watch my back in NC because my clanmates can't stop fucking starting shit with city folk. Tired of defending them when someone called them an asshole for killing them. Tired of listening to our two leaders bitch and complain and log off after getting beaten at an op. You never made any effort to stop the pk'ing then, but now that you don't have a clan to back you up and do your bidding, we see where it goes. I hope you enjoy DRE.
I think DG will back me up on that one we did. I rember buju giving away mc5 parts just to stop the allied gankings. We tried but what do ya do with a clan that size. They lie through there teeth or your killed in a revenge killing so you think the other clan started. I never needed a clan to back me up and do my bidding i prefer to fight alone. You got whiney like you always do its been the same in all the clans you have been in. As far as i know there was more than two leaders. Ill enjoy the game i play how ever i like. Dont sound so shocked that i dont want to be associated with you guys. Ive played with the same people since cartel. Its time for a change i think. OH and as far as i know you left clan cause you were sick of op fighting ect ect ect.
tell me this anima instead of flaming me what would you have done differently. As far as i know most of pain are unforgiven now. As ive said before i have 8 chars ive played one for nearly a year straight, i might start playing another. Anyway the logs were posted up to be shown that we did achieve something in the end, so goal achieved
I would not be in that position simply because i don't pk allied runners, i have rallied them in the past to work together and its much easier todo that when people respect you for your actions.
I'm not trying to flame in general tbh, just having a quiet giggle to myself as im watching history repeat itself, I'm used to the old Pluto server see, even though i played on saturn for a long time too, but on Pluto you was your char, your actions dictated peoples view on you and your clan, saturn it seems to have changed into Terra, be it a 4 char thing or just that the saturn player base was bigger than the other English ones so its grown that way now.
Back when i played Saturn, DG was leader of shadows, and we had the same shit back then, i ended up having a long talk with DG in the cafe in plaza 2, well over an hour i would say about what shadow was up to, that was when i was in Adult Inc, we formed that clan with the sole purpose to destory shadow and all the shit they was doing to allied factions, we had to go enemy to them and leave Crahn so we didn't lose SL.
Now what choice to those neocron runner have today to avoid SL hits, none other than go DOY, which they don't want todo.
I don't think that meeting will stop allied pking, nothing will other than KK doing something to really punish people for it, going to DRE and starting new might be good for you, and it maybe good for others, who knows, but mud sticks, its going to be hard for some people to trust you, actions speak louder than words in any meeting, how you go from here is up to you, people will watch it unfold.
Leave the insults for the game. If this thread gets too hot it's going to get extinguished.
N
trigger hurt
06-12-04, 15:28
I think DG will back me up on that one we did. I rember buju giving away mc5 parts just to stop the allied gankings. We tried but what do ya do with a clan that size. They lie through there teeth or your killed in a revenge killing so you think the other clan started. I never needed a clan to back me up and do my bidding i prefer to fight alone. You got whiney like you always do its been the same in all the clans you have been in. As far as i know there was more than two leaders. Ill enjoy the game i play how ever i like. Dont sound so shocked that i dont want to be associated with you guys. Ive played with the same people since cartel. Its time for a change i think.
Right. Buju gave away MC5 parts. When I told you WE, as a clan, needed to do something to make reparations to Lunatics, SXR, SS, UPS, etc; your reponse was "fuck that, I'm not giving them anything."
I've never gotten "whiney" in any clans. I've gotten fed up with their shit. Cartel started to lose it's luster. I was one of the original few members, I quit all the same. The only other clan I was in after Cartel was DarK, and that was on pluto, so I'm not sure how you can know what went on there. After that, it was PAIN. And we know how well your leadership went.
I'm not shocked that you don't want to associate with us. I haven't associated with most of the people in PAIN for over a month. Why would I care? You'll be back in the perfect role for you in DRE. A follower. You do not have leadership qualities, and that's ok. Alot of people, like me, do not have what it would take to lead a clan.
Face facts. You and DG could have stopped the allied PK'ing thing a long while back, near start of retail when Gestra ripped off that guy from Lunatics. Fuck, Gestra doesn't even play anymore. Who's pride were you trying to salvage by not either kicking him from the clan or giving something of worth to the person who was ripped off?
Unless things have changed, AYB won't be any different. On pluto, they were pretty often the guys you could count on attacking you even though I was BioTech and they were DRE, a few of em KoS'd me cause I couldn't poke. Not cause I wouldn't, but because I didnt assign skill points to it. Enjoy the trip.
Leave the insults for the game. If this thread gets too hot it's going to get extinguished.
N
lol i like that, good choice on words ;)
I would not be in that position simply because i don't pk allied runners, i have rallied them in the past to work together and its much easier todo that when people respect you for your actions.
I'm not trying to flame in general tbh, just having a quiet giggle to myself as im watching history repeat itself, I'm used to the old Pluto server see, even though i played on saturn for a long time too, but on Pluto you was your char, your actions dictated peoples view on you and your clan, saturn it seems to have changed into Terra, be it a 4 char thing or just that the saturn player base was bigger than the other English ones so its grown that way now.
Back when i played Saturn, DG was leader of shadows, and we had the same shit back then, i ended up having a long talk with DG in the cafe in plaza 2, well over an hour i would say about what shadow was up to, that was when i was in Adult Inc, we formed that clan with the sole purpose to destory shadow and all the shit they was doing to allied factions, we had to go enemy to them and leave Crahn so we didn't lose SL.
Now what choice to those neocron runner have today to avoid SL hits, none other than go DOY, which they don't want todo.
I don't think that meeting will stop allied pking, nothing will other than KK doing something to really punish people for it, going to DRE and starting new might be good for you, and it maybe good for others, who knows, but mud sticks, its going to be hard for some people to trust you, actions speak louder than words in any meeting, how you go from here is up to you, people will watch it unfold.
If anything i try to stick to what i say ingame. I meant what i said but its not about people trusting me its about them trusting each other. This meeting wasnt about me or DG or pain as a matter of fact, i know other pro city clans who had interfaction wars to this was about making an attempt to stop it. You seen the reaction from the three clans in the room. At each others throats for a bit. When i was in clan i didnt allie pk unless it was a known enemy or in defence. There was rules one stage about RPKing anyone in plaza even if they had bad sl.
Right. Buju gave away MC5 parts. When I told you WE, as a clan, needed to do something to make reparations to Lunatics, SXR, SS, UPS, etc; your reponse was "fuck that, I'm not giving them anything."
I've never gotten "whiney" in any clans. I've gotten fed up with their shit. Cartel started to lose it's luster. I was one of the original few members, I quit all the same. The only other clan I was in after Cartel was DarK, and that was on pluto, so I'm not sure how you can know what went on there. After that, it was PAIN. And we know how well your leadership went.
I'm not shocked that you don't want to associate with us. I haven't associated with most of the people in PAIN for over a month. Why would I care? You'll be back in the perfect role for you in DRE. A follower. You do not have leadership qualities, and that's ok. Alot of people, like me, do not have what it would take to lead a clan.
Face facts. You and DG could have stopped the allied PK'ing thing a long while back, near start of retail when Gestra ripped off that guy from Lunatics. Fuck, Gestra doesn't even play anymore. Who's pride were you trying to salvage by not either kicking him from the clan or giving something of worth to the person who was ripped off?
Unless things have changed, AYB won't be any different. On pluto, they were pretty often the guys you could count on attacking you even though I was BioTech and they were DRE, a few of em KoS'd me cause I couldn't poke. Not cause I wouldn't, but because I didnt assign skill points to it. Enjoy the trip.
Yeah your right im no leader. I havent had that taste for quite a while , all i wanted to do was lead op fights. You never told me we needed to make reparations.
As for SXR they never liked us so i didnt mind not sorting , UPS i always backed i left the clan at one stage cause we kos'd them, then i sorted a mess i never had any part in and i sorted the one after that. I even was disgusted the time that UPS and NCAT actually did help us fight FF and afterwards our guys turned around and killed them . Even after that i worked with max and Dai to solve the problems. As for SS ask anna if you dont believe me i stopped the fighting with them at one stage, by the time i released soemthing was going on again they were in FF. Last but not least lunatic, i spoke with sloterdijk way before it was sorted he wasnt going to stop kosing us till he had 8 million or a ds . He sure as fuck wasnt getting my DS so there was no way i was paying for something that gestra did before he even joined clan.
Hmm that seems to be all of them and how i tried to sort them what you got now ? Accuse me of eating babies ?
Bugs Gunny
06-12-04, 16:21
What this will take to fix is a big meeting of all pro city clanleaders.
From what i've seen DOY is WAY better organised than the city.
They actualy help each other out, we keep on bickering about things that happened in the past, and were probably started by one runner in a clan.
If people have problems with one allied runner killing their clanmates, just send a message to the clanleader, he'll either call in his runner for interrogation, or explain why they are killing you.
Most of the times this will solve it.
No, right now it usualy escalates in KOS lists, clanwars etc....
Darth Slayer
06-12-04, 18:48
Yoda your first post was priceless I have'nt stopped laughing yet........ :lol:
GO CA, DOY's greatest weapon in the fight against Reeza......... :D
Scorpius.
Yoda your first post was priceless I have'nt stopped laughing yet........ :lol:
GO CA, DOY's greatest weapon in the fight against Reeza......... :D
Scorpius.
Hehe - For reeza? for neocron? For the people?
I think not.
It's all about the penis baby!
:D
Well, just as an FYI for people, the meeting sorted a lot of things out, PAIN doesn't exist as an active clan anymore (i.e. most people in it have left NC, the rest are getting sorted). UnforgiveN has been resurected, and its made up of ex-Black Rose, UnforgiveN and some PAIN members.
This means a new start for us, and hopefully everyone will wipe the slate clean. Oh, and we have leaders who know what they are doing and think before they act. Oh, and they don't "take breaks" whenever they aren't getting their way.
Well, just as an FYI for people, the meeting sorted a lot of things out, PAIN doesn't exist as an active clan anymore (i.e. most people in it have left NC, the rest are getting sorted). UnforgiveN has been resurected, and its made up of ex-Black Rose, UnforgiveN and some PAIN members.
This means a new start for us, and hopefully everyone will wipe the slate clean. Oh, and we have leaders who know what they are doing and think before they act. Oh, and they don't "take breaks" whenever they aren't getting their way.
It wasnt that i wasnt getting my way. It just i put alot of work into the clan and didnt want it to turn out how it did. I could have set things i wanted right but hey the damage was done. The clan wont be rembered as having any skill at all, just asshole skill-less hackers and well i at one stage believed it could have been so much more.
Well ill be honest, you guys were quite blind to see what darkh done, wen I was incharge he did everything I should have done when I wasnt on.
Doesnt mean I like the guy, but he did do alright. As for anyone in unforgiven, I dont think u guys will do well with bronx, rage, dg and dank gone tbh. You have buju incharge... need i say anymore :wtf:
to tell u the truth....with ppl like anima and everyone else....i think pro city factions should just go fuck themselves.....because it seems to me with ppl like that there will be no way for a fresh start....even if we wanted to try....and SaW you have pissed me off greatly man...but i will tell u wut...and i dunno bout neone else but I kno when there was just a few of us on and an op was bein attacked u were always there next to me fightin them.....so even tho i thin u made some big ass mistakes now...when u were the leadr of pain i dont think u did bad ureself...and as for DG and darkh....both of you no matta wut the rest of PAIN says tried ure best at bein a ldr...many ppl have said it before...its hard as fuck tryin to keep a shitload of ppl under control and ill tell u wut PAIN had a shitload of ppl.....and because of this things got outta hand....so i think its not completely DG's and Darkh's fault but yet some of the players within the clan as well....i myself went on ganking fests for no apparent reason because I was bored off my ass and no one was on....so i kno where i am comin from....so trig even tho yes they did tell us who to kill and where and wuteva I do not think u should put all the blame on them because I kno that there were members in PAIN who didnt care about allied killing as I myself didn't...I hope u4n will be a fresh start and CA will be able to stop the allied killing because then we will be able to take over and keep the whole map imo......i will not attend these meetings because one I do not have time and second I have attended a long time ago in NEXT with Felissa organizing them....but darkh if you or someone will plz post them on some kind of forums and pm me and tell me where it is I will read every one and give my comments on it...also sorry for the mistypin
her.
[edit] the comment about trig....that goes for morganth as well...it is not all darkh's and DG's fault...so do not blame them
tbh i gotta add few things here..
Adult Inc was formed because:
a) not to fight allied faction, green vs green sucks donkey balls.
b) something needed to be done with Shadows bullying Crahn.
c) Crahn was rotten from inside.
d) Minor advantage for not losing SL (not to be carebear, but not to have to constantly do missions not to have red SL all the time).
e) to get rid of ppl being inactive. (250+ members in LS, ~10 active)
K, what went wrong with AI? Only the thing that, as being active OPwar clan, all suddenly everybody wanted a piece of us. BD/TG/CM/FA everybody wanted our blood. and the BS what started at somepoint.. jeeez.. and then nc2 started to knock on door.......
But back to this thread. Like we already have seen, back in NC1.
How could things work, when the ppl who eventually got Crahn fucked up, are now doing the same shit to CA? And after their malicious programs, how could ppl trust them? I know i wouldn't.
GG fucking up Crahn, and doing the same thing to CA/procity now..
ps. Big hand to SaW.
hmmm dunno wut faction adult inc is but if u are pro city....its ppl like you that makes it impossible for us all to fight together so GG makin it fuckin impossible to be able to fight side by side......PAIN fucked up we all kno that....but they are a new clan and are tryin to start on a clean slate...so let them and see wut happens and if the same thing happens then u can flame ure lil heart out on these forums about how much U4N screws eveything over
AI was TSU, and it has been reformed, tho most of us are in FF.
How would things be different?
Same ppl who were in Unforgiven / BR / Shadows back in NC1, are now trying to reform in NC2.
Same ppl, just a new faction/clan/name. So how would that change anything if the ppl haven't changed?
trigger hurt
07-12-04, 01:06
AI was TSU, and it has been reformed, tho most of us are in FF.
How would things be different?
Same ppl who were in Unforgiven / BR / Shadows back in NC1, are now trying to reform in NC2.
Same ppl, just a new faction/clan/name. So how would that change anything if the ppl haven't changed?
You know what man. I really....really need you to let go of something that happened over 5 months ago. Really. It's to the point of psychosis when you hold on to something this long.
You know what man. I really....really need you to let go of something that happened over 5 months ago. Really. It's to the point of psychosis when you hold on to something this long.
Well.. prove me wrong. procity has already huge inner shit going on, just because of allied ganking provided by PAIN and others (ppl mostly moan about PAIN doing it).
So prove that i'm wrong on this one, and i might leave the history alone. I saw it once, now i have seen it once on NC2. Ppl are still the same they used to be on nc1, some of em even brought the "nice" HAX with them too..
trigger hurt
07-12-04, 01:42
Well.. prove me wrong. procity has already huge inner shit going on, just because of allied ganking provided by PAIN and others (ppl mostly moan about PAIN doing it).
So prove that i'm wrong on this one, and i might leave the history alone. I saw it once, now i have seen it once on NC2. Ppl are still the same they used to be on nc1, some of em even brought the "nice" HAX with them too..
I'll remind you that talking about cheating or exploiting can get you banned from these forums and from the game.
Second...if you think neocron city is the only place that allied/neutral ganking is going on, you are out of your mind. People in FF, DarK, Credentes, etc kill allies. Just because a few do it, doesn't mean everyone does it. Final point, PAIN doesn't exist. PAIN hasn't exists for almost a week now. If anyone is killing allies in the city at this time, guess who it isn't.
If mentioning words exploit or hax is against forum rules, then sue me. I know that having a conversation about them is illegal. not the words.
And i haven't denied that there isn't any anticity allied gankers, but since ppl are mostly whining about procity doing it, i reckon the problem is much bigger there than on DOY side.
Hell, even i've done it.. just yesterday :) But it was lead to that by few funny things. But i didn't start attacking without them knowing that i was really anticity, even tho i was on my procity alt. (which i'm forced to use because of C2P fucking up my mainaccount).
Also i can say, that just few days ago, we had a small fight with FF vs R2K, which was actually quite funny :) and i think both sides have no bad feelings about that since it all stopped just by calling to stop the fight. It was good PvPing practice for all of us.
Well ill be honest, you guys were quite blind to see what darkh done, wen I was incharge he did everything I should have done when I wasnt on.
Doesnt mean I like the guy, but he did do alright. As for anyone in unforgiven, I dont think u guys will do well with bronx, rage, dg and dank gone tbh. You have buju incharge... need i say anymore :wtf:
Well SaW, all I can say is its a good thing you changed your game files before KK decided to scan people, or you would have been on the ban list along with Eled and Monsoon amongst others. You are no saint yourself.
We can survive without some of the people that left, it isn't hard. This game is going downhill anyway so it doesn't matter much to me if I don't have people to play with. I can just eBay my account and feel sorry for such a traitorous bastard like yourself.
And Wannabe, Crahn was fucked up as soon as you decided to screw relations over with ShadoW.
And Wannabe, Crahn was fucked up as soon as you decided to screw relations over with ShadoW.
OMG LOL? you don't seem to have even a slightest clue what happened back then.
You accusing US for fucking up Crahn, dude, what have you've been smoking? The thing is, Shadows didn't like Unforgiven/Madji, and that is what lead to many things. At certain point, when BD had hostiled whole Crahn(exept Yamma and his buddies), there was suggestion made from the side of BD, that Shadows and LS would have nap. We didn't take the nap, just because we would have betrayed our own kind.
I don't know what started all the innerfaction shit, but i know for a fact that LS didn't have active role on that one. It was more or less BR, Unforgiven and Madji thing. Due to all these things, + the fact that we we're already at war with Shadows, we decided to leave Crahn. It wasn't our problem to solve your problems. So instead of staying and watching that BS going on, we concentrated on fighting BD in faction that was hostile to them.
Basicly: If screwing Crahn up means that we should have taken the NAP that stated that only Lost Souls would have had the benefit of it. Not helping any other crahn clans to defend their ops against BD.. no thnx.
So when you don't know shit what happened, plz shut the pie hole.
edit: this is already going way offtopic, so how about ending this history lesson here?
edit2: nn anima :) hope your daughter doesn't wake you up, atleast much :)
Few things to clean up here, people seemed to have lost their way.
Morganth, Crahn was fucked up because "and you can ask DG about this" Shadow pking Crahn runners mainly due to a player called System if im not mistaken, something about him from way back made DG want his blood "this was in NC1 btw", most of us in Lost souls and those in Black Rose at the time didn't think it was right for a so called allied faction to pk them, DG gave us a choice, either step aside from it or get pulled into it, we decided enough was enough and helped the fellow crahn members, we in LS at the time went to war with shadow, we ended up getting help from FA too at one point.
It was later decided to create a enemy to shadow clan, Adult Inc was born, with its sole purpose to take ops "like wannabe said LS was mostly inactive" those active members went into AI, and some others from Pluto joined us too.
Anywau i left the game not long after that so don't know what happened to AI and the war with BD clan Shadow.
@ her. I'm not pro city, never have been in NC2, im DOY and in FF, and will stay that way as i see what Neocron has turned into there.
@ Morganth again, you mentioned certain people got banned for something, one of those names popped up from being banned a long time ago when in the old shadows, how come the same guy gets another account and KK let him exploit yet again to get banned, KK IP ban them aswell or they just keep doing the same old shit.
Anyway to tired to post more, sleepy sleepy time, NN and ta ta.
Well SaW, all I can say is its a good thing you changed your game files before KK decided to scan people, or you would have been on the ban list along with Eled and Monsoon amongst others. You are no saint yourself.
Funny that! - know one knew there computers were getting scanned at the time.. and yet I aint banned. So before u run your mouth about shit that I did do or didnt do, face the facts - if i cheated id be banned end of story.
Just cause ive got a history of being in a clan that cheats doesnt say we all have to do it.
LoL what a thread we got here...hmm ayb reforming eh? ho hum...might have to get my spy over to DRE somehow from tg for some fun if you guys want a old dusty spy :P
Omg NC1 saturn politics keep it were it belongs. I think its time this flame was closed.
The Ottoman
07-12-04, 03:25
So PAIN is no more? I've been away for almost two months. Hmmm, seems I have missed all the action.
Hmmm, seems I have missed all the action.
I left nc 2 weeks ago and the only thing I missed is the fight night. But I heard one of us won it .. so its ok :D
Just cause ive got a history of being in a clan that cheats doesnt say we all have to do it.
Yes. It sucks to have a reputation cloud you such as what has befallen PAIN. I left Crahn for CA(PAIN) because that is where the peeps that I chose to call my brethren(BR,U4N/WoC) had decided to go. Hell. I can't help it that it was a riot to play alongside them.
I have been UnforgiveN since day one. Hell, I am the one who started the friggin clan in NC1. I can promise you that there will be decent leadership in the newly reformed U4N. I have been UnforgiveN since Quake2's prime when System recruited me on Mplayer and I do not intend to let the name be tarnished anymore. At least not while I am part of it.
Jebus H Cripes people let it go! Stop and think for a second. Some of you people are holding grudges from months and months ago.....in a game. Let me emphasize that part again, IN A GAME! Seriously, I enjoy the post fight trade nc slagging matches as much as anyone but some of you people really need to learn that it's just a bloomin game.
I'll stick around with the same crew until I either get bored (which considering alot of peeps I played with have left, may be sooner than later) or until WoW hits europe retail. Guess I'll have to get used to the "OMG YUO IS TEH DIRTY HAXOR CLAN MAN!" for a bit longer;)
No PAIN is no more and many members of PAIN are not in U4N, in fact except for a few others...which will prolly be leaving to join the newly formed AYB....most of U4N is comprised of the BoC back in NC1, so U4N is not like PAIN in neway and is a completely different clan...as COLD said U4N/BR were all actually CS at the start of NC2 and myself came on one day and heard the rest of my m8's had joined PAIN so because I loved fighting alongside them I joined as well...then the clan got outta hand with ppl fightin even inside the clan and for this reason I think is the real reson why PAIN went down....but most of those ppl that were fighting have either left or went on thier own so the newly made U4N can easily be a strong clan and not be like PAIN as you say it will be wannabe
her.
tbh, ppl will always be the same ppl.
What you try to say that, this 12year old CS kiddo , who gets a boner from ganking allies, has all suddenly, just by changing clan, turned into total gentleman?
But don't get me wrong here, i'm not saying that all of them/you are total wankers, some are. And even tho it's the minority, it's just a fact that it affects your reputation.
I.E: some of PAIN haxxxxxxxd, everybody gets the flame. got my point?
You are what your buddies are.
And again.. the boogie word.. HISTORY BWHAHAHAH.. PHEER THE HISTORY..
No seriously, your shadow will always follow you. Like ages ago when i asked DG, why were they attacking crahns. I got "history" for the answer. The history of certain person.
tbh....some ppl will be the same...but some ppl can change....u cant say someone cannot change witout lettin them try...so they fucked up in the past..thats wut it is like u just said..the past...give the ppl in U4N a chance to change and if they dont they u can say "fuck you" right to my face and i will say a nice pleasent "thank you" back because i was wrong...but until this point just try and hold off the accusations and everything else until you see if they can change or not....thats all im saying....because there is no way some person can change if the rest of the community wont let him or forgive him once for his past fuck ups.....
her.
I feel no mercy for the ones who haxd. and i never will.
For the rest of em, perhaps.
heh well thats a start at least give the ones or now who neva haxxed a chance to prove themsevles then maybe within time you will see that the ones who had haxxed have changed as well and all will be resolved...thats all im askin for..nuttin more...and like i said in my last post if i am wrong u can rip my balls off and feed them to a goat...but i hope that wont happen :)
S a W, you say with buju encharge... Let me inform you. I'm the Leader of Clan UnforgiveN and will always be the leader.
Buju's leadership in the clan has nothing at all wrong with it. PAIN was full of Leaders that like to be on the top and tell people what to do, this is why I wasn't on as much becuase everytime I logged on it would be frustrating.
For as the recreation of my clan, i've taken my members and black rose members to recreate it. There a few PAIN members but the ones that did come are respected people.
As for not going anywheres without DG, DarkH and such... Last time I recall I've seen them all in about 5 different clans, clans that have died that you no longer see... Whats this... Clan UnforgiveN is still around and still fighting... Yea so we aren't big but we don't like to be big, we rather keep it the 15+ respected trusted members then have 30+ that you cannot trust and would dick you over if you piss them off.
Once my account is reactive you will be seeing more of my ass and my clan.
Clan UnforgiveN Founder/Leader,
System
heh system I was waiting for you to come in and say sutmhin....I was wondering how long it would take you to resond to this thread :)
her.
S a W, you say with buju encharge... Let me inform you. I'm the Leader of Clan UnforgiveN and will always be the leader.
Buju's leadership in the clan has nothing at all wrong with it. PAIN was full of Leaders that like to be on the top and tell people what to do, this is why I wasn't on as much becuase everytime I logged on it would be frustrating.
For as the recreation of my clan, i've taken my members and black rose members to recreate it. There a few PAIN members but the ones that did come are respected people.
As for not going anywheres without DG, DarkH and such... Last time I recall I've seen them all in about 5 different clans, clans that have died that you no longer see... Whats this... Clan UnforgiveN is still around and still fighting... Yea so we aren't big but we don't like to be big, we rather keep it the 15+ respected trusted members then have 30+ that you cannot trust and would dick you over if you piss them off.
Once my account is reactive you will be seeing more of my ass and my clan.
Clan UnforgiveN Founder/Leader,
System
That is the best news yet, good luck with Unforgiven System, and good luck to DarkH and co with AYB, don't fight eachother and take those ops, then Neocron will once again has some valued clans to look up to.
Plus it would give Anti City something to fight for once ;)
darkservent
07-12-04, 14:47
Wot else can I say but to bring on the 1 slot server regardless of the low pops.
FUCKIN DILLEMAS OF A 4 SLOT SERVER, FUCKIN REDICULOUS.
Well, in regards to having something to fight, it was nice to see only 4 FF attack a U4N OP last night as they wanted a fight, rather than the normal 15-20 with allies. Hopefully if people fight more fairly then every large clan will be happy and have something to do.
And in terms of AYB, good luck, its gonna be interesting getting new runners into DRE, seeing as I was once part of "The Alliance", which was the ONLY DRE clan in the last year of NC1.
And it's Buju Banton's birthday today, so send him your regards via PM or INGAME :lol: :lol: :lol:
@ Morganth again, you mentioned certain people got banned for something, one of those names popped up from being banned a long time ago when in the old shadows, how come the same guy gets another account and KK let him exploit yet again to get banned, KK IP ban them aswell or they just keep doing the same old shit.
If you are refering to Eled, he hasn't been ingame for a while and I know he also hasn't exploited since being banned.
Funny that! - know one knew there computers were getting scanned at the time.. and yet I aint banned. So before u run your mouth about shit that I did do or didnt do, face the facts - if i cheated id be banned end of story.
Just cause ive got a history of being in a clan that cheats doesnt say we all have to do it.
Was rather lucky for you then to restore your files after you ran NC then, or you would have been.
EDIT:
Wot else can I say but to bring on the 1 slot server regardless of the low pops.
FUCKIN DILLEMAS OF A 4 SLOT SERVER, FUCKIN REDICULOUS.
How is this relevant? Anyone who was in PAIN/U4N/WoC/BoC/BR had all 4 of their characters in the clan, same as Pluto people had all one of their characters in a clan. Or two, if they had 2 accounts.
I think this is overall a good thing - it's been the activities of many CA clans/runners that have embittered me towards Reeza in general. I'm still not sure how I feel about DRE getting a new (old?) highly active clan. I kinda liked my little backwater, never-thought-of faction the way it is at the moment. If AYB starts creating a bad rep, it may be the final shove I need to move out of the city. I'll reserve that judgement 'till they're up and running though, I don't want to judge people before any actions have been taken.
Either way, good luck CA guys in trying to sort things out, we need the 'leading' faction to finally show some leadership and stop fighting amongst itself (having said that, the last three times someone's tried to allied PK me, they've been from Tangent).
darkservent
07-12-04, 15:38
How is this relevant? Anyone who was in PAIN/U4N/WoC/BoC/BR had all 4 of their characters in the clan, same as Pluto people had all one of their characters in a clan. Or two, if they had 2 accounts.
You can figure this out urself all I can say is with a 4 char server ur gettin 4 chars in the price of 1. Not everyone can afford a second char on a 1 slot server. And it does lessen the problems alot more thats faced on 4 slot servers which you can figure out urself. Just think back to pluto when it opened it was by far a more of a succesful server then but as ppl left, pluto went to hell. I still opt for 1 slot as we dont get as much of the problems like "HEY DONT KEEL ME IM IN CLAN X". I for one want 1 slot as Id like to get away from the saturn kids that are there, even if that mean i have to put up with a population of 10.
Well wotever u city guys do just make it FAIR and simple, no bullshit just fun, its a game after all. You guys have equal amounts of ppl there to take on DOY from wot I've seen and I'd expect more FAIR FUN out of wotevers goin on. And personally Id like to see some maturity in this game not like "Ahhh you zerg us" or "We kick FF ass" this and that. Just a simple GG would be appreciated and if we want more or u want more then we fight again.
Well wotever u city guys do just make it FAIR and simple, no bullshit just fun, its a game after all. You guys have equal amounts of ppl there to take on DOY from wot I've seen and I'd expect more FAIR FUN out of wotevers goin on. And personally Id like to see some maturity in this game not like "Ahhh you zerg us" or "We kick FF ass" this and that. Just a simple GG would be appreciated and if we want more or u want more then we fight again.
Sorry to digress, but I really don't understand the concept of why "zerging" is so bad - DoY and NC are at WAR with each other - would you go to a conflict zone in a real war without a numerical tactical advantage if you had an option? I know I sure as hell wouldn't.
Dargeshaad
07-12-04, 15:44
Sorry to digress, but I really don't understand the concept of why "zerging" is so bad - DoY and NC are at WAR with each other - would you go to a conflict zone in a real war without a numerical tactical advantage if you had an option? I know I sure as hell wouldn't.
Because some people actually like a fair fight?
You can figure this out urself all I can say is with a 4 char server ur gettin 4 chars in the price of 1. Not everyone can afford a second char on a 1 slot server. And it does lessen the problems alot more thats faced on 4 slot servers which you can figure out urself. Just think back to pluto when it opened it was by far a more of a succesful server then but as ppl left, pluto went to hell. I still opt for 1 slot as we dont get as much of the problems like "HEY DONT KEEL ME IM IN CLAN X". I for one want 1 slot as Id like to get away from the saturn kids that are there, even if that mean i have to put up with a population of 10.
Well wotever u city guys do just make it FAIR and simple, no bullshit just fun, its a game after all. You guys have equal amounts of ppl there to take on DOY from wot I've seen and I'd expect more FAIR FUN out of wotevers goin on. And personally Id like to see some maturity in this game not like "Ahhh you zerg us" or "We kick FF ass" this and that. Just a simple GG would be appreciated and if we want more or u want more then we fight again.
Any issues that surrounded PAIN in the past had nothing to do with alts. We caused trouble on clan characters, nothing else. And good luck in getting away from the "saturn kids", as I am sure some of "them" will follow to a 1 slot server. And at least Terra will be free of the pluto fags.
darkservent
07-12-04, 16:14
Any issues that surrounded PAIN in the past had nothing to do with alts. We caused trouble on clan characters, nothing else. And good luck in getting away from the "saturn kids", as I am sure some of "them" will follow to a 1 slot server. And at least Terra will be free of the pluto fags.
As far as I see it them saturn kids preferred the 4 slot and never touched the 1 slot. So I wouldnt really see them following. A clear example would be when saturn server would go BOOOM and all them saturn kids actually made n00b chars on the 1 slot just to spam trade or just to bad mouth pluto players.
And personally Id like to see some maturity in this game not like "Ahhh you zerg us" or "We kick FF ass" this and that. Just a simple GG would be appreciated and if we want more or u want more then we fight again.
It's funny that. I can remember 4 times recently that FF beat us in more or less even fights (cant really have fully even I know) and when we all tapped out I said GG's over trade and OOC. Despite getting beat I had fun. I was a bit dissappointed at not winning but we were beaten fair and square and I enjoyed it. The sad thing is that my view on FF has been tainted because the majority of fights we had against you, we were outnumbered, sometimes heavily, or our ops were often taken when we had 3 or 4 on, and the "zergs" are remembered more often.
As far as I see it them saturn kids preferred the 4 slot and never touched the 1 slot. So I wouldnt really see them following. A clear example would be when saturn server would go BOOOM and all them saturn kids actually made n00b chars on the 1 slot just to spam trade or just to bad mouth pluto players.
much like pluto players did to saturn when pluto went down.
funny how hypocritical one can be of a situation.
saturn kids
typical ignorant thing to say, doesn't surprise me. And having a 1 slot server wouldn't be any different. If a clans beat you, you can't take it and just ninja the ops back. Sad really that no one wants a good fight anymore.
It's funny that. I can remember 4 times recently that FF beat us in more or less even fights (cant really have fully even I know) and when we all tapped out I said GG's over trade and OOC. Despite getting beat I had fun. I was a bit dissappointed at not winning but we were beaten fair and square and I enjoyed it. The sad thing is that my view on FF has been tainted because the majority of fights we had against you, we were outnumbered, sometimes heavily, or our ops were often taken when we had 3 or 4 on, and the "zergs" are remembered more often.
It worked in both directions. 3 FF vs 20 PAIN. and the opposite. That's the problem with timezones.
Edit: I prefer fights with equal numbers, i have always liked those much more than the ones with side or another has more ppl than the other. I don't mind losing a fair fight, exept if it was my fault and i fucked up =)
Yeah I can admit we did it too. Alot of the times when we did it we did check city coms first tho and saw you had (whatever amount) on but nobody turned up, so after a few we'd get bored and go fight eachother outside CA HQ. But there were times we just did it out of spite because we had logged on to find our ops had been taken in the morning (well morning for us) while we were all logged. Sucks, but what can you do.
Like... umm.. not take em all? As a suggestion...
Recently our OPwars have gone like this:
1) PAIN, has got 4 online, not worth of fighting.
2) uPs, 9online GR8!, lets get a team going(we had 11, hackers needed you know..). when we reach the OP hack a layer. few ppl showed up. went back to UG and never came back. after hacking it, theres only few of em online..
3) Dogz, 9 online, had a small fight, R2k showed up there too, and dogz quit fighting, so we had to have small fight with r2k.
You know how boring that gets? Just run to the OP to notice that no one isn't coming to defend...
I do know how boring it is....thats kinda why I said it in the post I made above yours;)
Because some people actually like a fair fight?
Yes, fair fights are a good thing, but the Neocron gameworld isn't supposed to be some chivalrous tourney with knights jousting and staged foot battles - this is a post-apocalyptian warzone. If the goal your clan has is to take an outpost in the name of your faction/city, then why wouldn't you use any and all available means at your disposal to achieve that end?
"Peace through superior firepower"
Because a reasonabley even fight is alot more fun than a stupidly unbalanced one. Nobody expects completely even numbers, but a fairer fight offers alot more fun, because it comes down to skill (and ppu numbers;))
NONONONONO... it's not all about ppu numbers.
We had 2-3 ppu MAX, back in AI.. and if s 1 of our opponents could give a honest word - how we did?
imo, we did pretty fucking good.
Um dude the ;) was there to show I was joking. The ppu comment wasnt aimed at FF in particular, or anyone else in particular.
And my comment was directed to everybody.
having 10000 ppus isn't the key to the victory. Just few good ones is enough. And these days ppl wont really show up anywhere without 10 ppus..
And i fucking hate it. Not that i hate ppus, i just hate when ppl has to rely on having billion of em.
Yes, fair fights are a good thing, but the Neocron gameworld isn't supposed to be some chivalrous tourney with knights jousting and staged foot battles - this is a post-apocalyptian warzone. If the goal your clan has is to take an outpost in the name of your faction/city, then why wouldn't you use any and all available means at your disposal to achieve that end?
"Peace through superior firepower"
no one ever said it was, but it doesn't mean it's ok to just refuse to actually admit you had fun, even if you lost and let it be until both sides are good to go.
At this point I might as well go join doy because that's the new thing to do, avoid any conflict and everyone keeps their outposts and stays happy. Oh how fun neocron is without any conflict.
PPUs... Well i will tell you what you will probably see about 2 ppus on my side 90% of the time and one of them will be me 99% of the time and the other will probably be buju, other then that we only need 2 ppus to get it done. You will soon find this out.
I like fair fights always have been more of a fair fighter then a ass whole that zergs. You'll never see me or my clan call for backup from any other clan or faction if we cannot do it ourselves then we shouldn't be doing it, thats the way I look at it.
Ohyeah? like the time when you gathered the whole Crahn to attack 2 of us?.. uber
and if s 1 of our opponents could give a honest word - how we did?
u sure u want an honest answer?
indeed i do.
even if its negative or positive, i dont care.
looking at the meeting no wonder that the city is in all fighting each other
good luck darkH with getting all the retards in the city to listen :(
and applauds for trying
indeed i do.
even if its negative or positive, i dont care.
AI wasnt better than clans like phoenix or anyone else we fought. its true that u never had as much ppus as other big clans (u had 3 - 4 in every fight if my memory is rite), descent was good, cromac was average, bio knight sucked pretty badly. dont remember any other ppus.
at the beginning, AI fought alone in most fights (u had like 10+ ppl in every fight), at the end, they allied with cm (phoenix, s4death, and other clans) and with sum other peeps.
that dont impress me much =P
AI wasnt better than clans like phoenix or anyone else we fought. its true that u never had as much ppus as other big clans (u had 3 - 4 in every fight if my memory is rite), descent was good, cromac was average, bio knight sucked pretty badly. dont remember any other ppus.
at the beginning, AI fought alone in most fights (u had like 10+ ppl in every fight), at the end, they allied with cm (phoenix, s4death, and other clans) and with sum other peeps.
that dont impress me much =P
counter: we never had anything with $4death,exept some odd pking, but in the end, yes we fought with phoenix.but hey, u fought with shadows, and that impresses me even less. And those endless talks about "oh they just ran by the op...".. plz :)
But yea, it was more or less 2-4 ppus. Descent, Crommy, and Joey. Bio occasionally and Panzervomit at the end.
counter: we never had anything with $4death,exept some odd pking, but in the end, yes we fought with phoenix.but hey, u fought with shadows, and that impresses me even less. And those endless talks about "oh they just ran by the op...".. plz :)
its true that we fought with shadow. ur problem with fighting them was the fact that both clans played in completely different time zones. AI loggs off, shadow loggs on. I dont think there was a single fight were AI was really outnumbered by an army pro was involved in. I have to clue how titans/shadow fought against you, and I dont really care.
in fact, everyone xcept bd was fighting bd.citymercs, Fallen Angels, Crahn, Tsunami, TG, everyone was going for the bd ops .. we had no choice but to team with shadow sometimes.
Dargeshaad
08-12-04, 09:51
counter: we never had anything with $4death,exept some odd pking, but in the end, yes we fought with phoenix.but hey, u fought with shadows, and that impresses me even less. And those endless talks about "oh they just ran by the op...".. plz :)
But yea, it was more or less 2-4 ppus. Descent, Crommy, and Joey. Bio occasionally and Panzervomit at the end.
and virtual angel? another crap ppu in your clan
If your CA there was a mail sent in game to all CA.
I'm not CA, im PP and in a clan thats starting do die, we where doing fine, then we hit a wall with gaining runners, and active ones at that, now our leaders left without saying why, he's a mate of mine so i can only assume something has happened either click to play screwed him or his comp is buggered.
Either way theirs about two activer runners in the clan and the rest just pop one every now and then, or very late (uk time) So I was thinking of switching faction, but i didnt get along with pain all the time, and I wouldnt want people to think im an allied pk'er cos I only defend myself from that.
What's CA like now? is it getting better, and is it worth me paying the 300k to switch faction?
Zheo
What a shitty thread this turned to :lol:
Why the fuck are people talking about adult and why are we now gettin to the "ppu X is gay ppu Y the pwn" type shit. This thread is supposed to be about CA and the meeting they had I thought. O_o
Ohyeah? like the time when you gathered the whole Crahn to attack 2 of us?.. uber
and when was this?....
all i see is ego and more ego.......ad infinitum...
10/10 to darkh for organising it i thought it was good however there was the few idiots who had to spoil it apart from that it was good
didnt really get very far prehaps another meeting ???????????
I left nc 2 weeks ago and the only thing I missed is the fight night. But I heard one of us won it .. so its ok :D
zodd won..
ohhh PAIN pissing off Sloterdijk? :D
not a good idea...
seeing how PAIN fights, i'd just pay sloterdijk either the 8 million or the DS if it were the old Lunatics (Cashmere, Bradd, Sloter, Maruso, sioX, Head_-hunter, wolfwood, SwOrD, Orre etc) playing..
havent heard much of em now.
btw PAIN careful for super **** monkey.. he'll ninjahack ur ops then give em to Lunatics, same as he did in nc1. :lol:
ice, ur sig sux! it hurtz =(
heheh i am having a change of heart the more i think about that meeting the more it pisses me off
TBH fuck all this about holding regular meetings why so we can get the same re offending killer turn up spoil it and go bk to killing in plaza
' see's a big circle '
Maybe if possible i will even hold this in my own meetings appy ( sounds so posh lol i wish )
CA Clan leaders only meeting this will then allow leaders to pass on feedback from players about allied killing also allowing leaders to sort things out wihtout the interuptions of idiots and children lol
It may also put some structure into clans meaning feedback then has to be given to the clans so on and so forth (hope this is making sense i at work now and had few hours sleep)
Hopefully id CA clan leaders would agree to a meeting at their convienience not when someone decides it suits them we can help tackle not abolish but reduce the green v green killing.
Cos tbh i dont play this game for poxy meeting every week i play to have fun and enjoyment anyways what do you peepsies think xxxx
Purple = Phaze leader
ice, ur sig sux! it hurtz =(
Since he didn't remove it when I asked him, I've decided to remove it for him.
N
ahahahahahhahahahah ice got owned by nibhogg =P
Faction meetings need to consist of:
Clan Leaders
and One respected high ranked member (ranked 14)
Then a meeting might get somewheres. Each leader should get a list of what their members would like to be brought up in the meeting and the leaders talk it over and decided on what to do.
-- System --
please also read events and roleplay forum where a meeting is being arranged as such for leaders etc etc please give your support
new sig still in the making N.. didnt remove it cuz i had to go to school in a rush, sorry bout that, new sig wont be so flashy :angel:
Faction meetings need to consist of:
Clan Leaders
and One respected high ranked member (ranked 14)
Then a meeting might get somewheres. Each leader should get a list of what their members would like to be brought up in the meeting and the leaders talk it over and decided on what to do.
-- System --
The plan for faction meetings is all runners are involved. They are organised in a attempt to try some RP get people involved in something and solve problems.
heheh i am having a change of heart the more i think about that meeting the more it pisses me off
TBH fuck all this about holding regular meetings why so we can get the same re offending killer turn up spoil it and go bk to killing in plaza
' see's a big circle '
Maybe if possible i will even hold this in my own meetings appy ( sounds so posh lol i wish )
CA Clan leaders only meeting this will then allow leaders to pass on feedback from players about allied killing also allowing leaders to sort things out wihtout the interuptions of idiots and children lol
It may also put some structure into clans meaning feedback then has to be given to the clans so on and so forth (hope this is making sense i at work now and had few hours sleep)
Hopefully id CA clan leaders would agree to a meeting at their convienience not when someone decides it suits them we can help tackle not abolish but reduce the green v green killing.
Cos tbh i dont play this game for poxy meeting every week i play to have fun and enjoyment anyways what do you peepsies think xxxx
Purple = Phaze leader
That faction meeting wasn't for the clans and ones like it never have been. As long as ive been playing next have had one each week. You get to know people more in each factions work together. Some people are clanless so that must mean they arent in the faction?? I point out all the nibbish insults werent from clanless people. Clans are a big part of factions but they arent the faction. Holding meetings in apartment can go both ways, at the ca meeting henry was there and could kick people out. In an apartment you have the power to do so yourself which leads to more problems.
yes good point dark and prehaps my judgment a little hasty but it was annoying because i and as a clan wanted to try and put stuff forward and people where just chatting crap not all the time but most
i do want to try and help as well but seems you think i am an idiot who doesnt want to help however at least i was one of those people who turned up and listened
anyways maybe by the next meeting people will have got over the hurl abuse stage and we can make a little more progress
yes good point dark and prehaps my judgment a little hasty but it was annoying because i and as a clan wanted to try and put stuff forward and people where just chatting crap not all the time but most
i do want to try and help as well but seems you think i am an idiot who doesnt want to help however at least i was one of those people who turned up and listened
anyways maybe by the next meeting people will have got over the hurl abuse stage and we can make a little more progress
Henry made sure everyone got to speak. I believe a few people got the 5 min shutdown for being bad.
I think what we had at DarkH's meeting worked. Anyone could speak their views, be it at the podium or in the audience. Also the clan leaders of the clans present and other "significant figures" amongst the clans were teamed, so they could discuss in private certain issues.
If we did this more often, I am sure it would help. However, private meetings can always be arranged.
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