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I'm not having as much fun anymore I'm try to lvl characters but half the shit items/weapons are not in the shops. Yeah I know there in faction supplys and hacknet but noone gives a toss about non rare weapons on trade so I can't get the gear to lvl my nibs. Player shops when the hell are we gonna get them ingame? how long must we wait?
I find my self logging in less and less each day honest if there was a game that came anywhere close to this one I would have left about 2 months ago. I see there are people quitting each day allmost for what ever reasons most of them just state there not having fun anymore and NC 1 was more fun. I think there are too many time/money sinks I can't be arsed to spam trade channel for a freaken higher TL plasma cannon than the unlabled one :\
FireWarrior
22-11-04, 16:20
Agreed. The idea of putting high-lvl weapons into databases and FSM is a good idea in theory, but with the skill system, design and general trading/fighting mentality of the NC players.... It's just not feasible in the long run.
What we need to fix the problem is PLAYER SHOPS! These would allow easier distribution of items and possibly the creation and higher activity of more trader clans such as Phoenix.
KK - stop fecking around with Asia and crap and get us the content we were promised with BDoY (I know player shopos were nanounced that they'd be a short while after, but still, they need working on NOW!)
Stop chasing new customers and concentrate on your current ones, or you will lose both!
Athon Solo
Well, i never really had any problems getting items so far. Sometimes i had to ask around a bit or find someone to get em for me. But real problems? No way.
Although its true that most people (capped people) give a shit about a noobs needs. They just ignore em, even if they got what the noob wants.
"Getting it from my apartment where its collecting dust just for a lousy tip and a "thank you"? Nah, ima go pk." o_O
Its not the items, its the players.
Well, i never really had any problems getting items so far. Sometimes i had to ask around a bit or find someone to get em for me. But real problems? No way.
Although its true that most people (capped people) give a shit about a noobs needs. They just ignore em, even if they got what the noob wants.
"Getting it from my apartment where its collecting dust just for a lousy tip and a "thank you"? Nah, ima go pk." o_O
Its not the items, its the players.
Never a truer word spoken...
Everything just seems to be so much effort in NC2. For example, I want to change to TG. Now right off I accept that this should not be *easy* but right now it's more like damn near impossible.
As I'm next I first need to join City Mercs, so I can go and do anti-city missions without the guards killing me. But of course city mercs are also hostile to TG so from CM I need to join FA (say) then from FA do the missions to join TG. That's a cost of 900,000 and 3 lots of missions per character. I'm just plain not willing to invest that much time and effort to do something as simple as change faction. If there was some hard but engaging way to do it - an epic or quest for example - I'd be happy bunny, but it's just grind grind grind. Just making the money will take me weeks.
That's just one example of the several things that seem to hinder rather than help play.
What amazes me is that some of the weapons that are absolutely essential to starting characters aren't even available in poor quality in shops. The example that bit me most recently was trying to level a starting soldier ... and the Unlabeled Laser Cannon isn't in any shop in the Dome, so even if I wanted to bring one to a researcher to BP I couldn't, and no tradeskiller I spoke with had one. I haven't merged the two lists from the Cannon Smugglers and from Fist Weapons, but the lists are so short and overlap enough that it looks to me like only about 1/3 of the H-C weapons are available at any quality in the Dome. The tech pistol list looked just as scanty.
I like having specialization by city and faction, but now there's just too much stuff that's unavailable period. I can't help but wonder what the whole poiint of that was.
All I know is that I had to leave behind 16 cabinets full of blueprints that I had carefully accumulated in NC1, and I miss one or more of those blueprints almost every day.
I agree with everything in this thread which has covered everything I was going to say. (for now)
5 stars.
(eXo) Opaleye
22-11-04, 21:14
Same here as said by Seven
*****
Everything just seems to be so much effort in NC2. For example, I want to change to TG. Now right off I accept that this should not be *easy* but right now it's more like damn near impossible.
As I'm next I first need to join City Mercs, so I can go and do anti-city missions without the guards killing me. But of course city mercs are also hostile to TG so from CM I need to join FA (say) then from FA do the missions to join TG. That's a cost of 900,000 and 3 lots of missions per character. I'm just plain not willing to invest that much time and effort to do something as simple as change faction. If there was some hard but engaging way to do it - an epic or quest for example - I'd be happy bunny, but it's just grind grind grind. Just making the money will take me weeks.
That's just one example of the several things that seem to hinder rather than help play.
Aye that is exactly what I mean I too needed to move a character from pro city to anti city and its such a fucking pain the arse. Another thing I have been asking since the start of NC 2 for a bloody plasma cannon above unlabeled no one knows no one cares. So my tank is stuck with this shitty cannon :mad: I just want that tank capped but I can't be arsed with all the stuff I need to do its boring
/edit
I don't know if you would Chumble but just go ahead and kill 4 CM's it be way faster then get a ppu to help you into TG HQ. From next to CM to FA then TG omg I would not have time for that I would give up and end up killing greens to get the symp :\
Stop chasing new customers and concentrate on your current ones, or you will lose both!
Athon Solo
Or just the old ones :rolleyes: ......
Or just the old ones :rolleyes: ......
Its the old customers that are currently paying KKs wages and for the development of the game so if they are lost then there is no money for wages, servers or to finish the payed beta.
All in all I think that the system that KK have implement with faction only stuff is good except it doesnt work without player shops so that people can but stuff that isnt of their faction.
I can't be arsed to spam trade channel for a freaken higher TL plasma cannon than the unlabled one :\
T, just in case they didnt tell you: smugglers.
nearly every weapon you ever would want to ask for is sold by those guys.
have fun.
T, just in case they didnt tell you: smugglers.
nearly every weapon you ever would want to ask for is sold by those guys.
have fun.
Want to explain to me how my noobie pistol spy is meant to get into the TG canyon to get a pistol? O_o
Want to explain to me how my noobie pistol spy is meant to get into the TG canyon to get a pistol? O_o
I dont mean to sound like a cockarse if i do.
Contacts -shrugs- p2p trades etc.
Matthew.v.smith
23-11-04, 20:35
One thing that ruins the fun for me or a few.
Safezone = Subway station
This now removes some of the fun of Raiding because u cant just rampage but i can see why it was done and i can live with it.
2) Cop's at major City zonelines.
This does my head in because it is now almost impossible to Raid effectively on your own.
Running into Plaza 2 "ahhh suddenly 4 cop's on zoneline boom boom boom ahh it's ok i can live Wtf Frozen and now i'm moving like a snail.
nm i'll try PP "5 min's l8" hop off of subway "boom boom boom" wtf cop grrrr run to zoneline wtf more!!!.
If i do manage to get into plaza 2 etc as soon as u zone u find (Guess) a copbot that is taking you apart and dont even think about surviving if an enemy see's you :)
But if by luck u manage to get in then there's either 1) nothing but noob's 2) cop's all over that (have another guess on me) freeze you to death or 3) Cop's all over the place meaning PVP is a case of sitting there and hoping u can kill the noob/pro that is exploiting your weak point of not being able to move.
all other zone's are unraidable except ghost town PP 1 2 and 3 Plaza is full of victims but Cop's all over and SHA's mean's it's a no go zone unless u can stealth and again the Freeze bloody ruins everything
Tbh Remove freeze and half of what ive said can be forgiven.
But Doy get's raided like once a year and NC is not raidable so :(
PVP is one of the best thing's in NC imo and with this severly limited I no longer get all my E-Enjoyment.
Matty.
:angel:
Want to explain to me how my noobie pistol spy is meant to get into the TG canyon to get a pistol? O_o
sure. try plaza or even mb. smugglers selling a broad range of pistols. in the canyon, mainly fusions are served, as before.
don't ask me for exact positions. though i do know, i dont want to spoil.
Those smugglers sell utter shite unlabled plasma cannons and stuff
City raids are just not fun there a total joke op wars are the same shit as NC1
Lag
LAG
fucking FRE and memory leak
Starting to hate this game tbh
typicall to KK, current item vendors looks like set up to enforce use of player shops, but somehow player shops didnt' make it.
Well, coherency is something KK proven to be not caring about.
BTW I sold 5slot Tangent Plasma Cannon for 100k coz noone wanted it. It's not only ppl not selling good items, I tried that, just most won't buy gun in advance. When they see gun being sold on TRADE, they're like, "phew, I have 30 lvl to go for it". So after they make those 30 lvls they're whining "noone wants to provide me with necesary item".
/edit : faction change is really easy and there are many ways to do it:
1) notice doy factions that still has pro-city mission targets. You can easily make 90 symp to Crahn killing agressors (smth that anti-city can't). Then it's only matter of hiring doy ppu to keep you alive while changing.
2) kill own faction runners and reclaim SL via TL10 res missions. It takes only few hours, missions are done in safezone so no ganking and when you'll kicked from own faction, you're becoming neutral so no guard attacks you.
Anyone with any sense said this would happen when this system first appeared in beta and guess what we were right - again :eek:.
I don't believe in the "player shops will fix it all" argument - it sounds too much like the "DoY will fix all the bugs" to me.
It seems to me that time-sinks are KK's new big dumb idea, finally replacing the equally pointless and destructive specialisation. I could live with that if they undid the specialisation nightmare but both together is just plain suicidal.
It was nice for KK to bring backbones to imps shops, that was the first step in to the right direction, now they need to bring the brain imps too. It's not that hard for me since I have been around for a while and I have all I need, cabs full of imps and items to trade, power to make insane amounts of money in matter or hours even without imps and armor. But think about the nibs/newcomers that have xx/20 rifle tank (a class that was not ment to be) and he is hold back in progress because he doesn't know that rifle tank isn't the optimal solution, no one told him in charater creation that melee and HC are the only ways to go if you choose a tank. Now he is looking for a new weapon (which are sold in smugglers yes, but does the game tell him that? does even other players tell him that?) and imps which he finds at imp store, but wtf there are only high level backbones? oh well I think there are no high level brain imps because they are not sold where the rest of the imps are (because the game doesn't tell him that there are more imps he doesn't know that they egsist and thus can't ask for them), and it doesn't stop there, he needs PA and to find one is going to take you the next two weeks asking around and running like headless.
I'm lacking the ability to see the way KK does, maybe there is a method behind madness, but KK YOU ARE STRICTLY THINKING THAT ALL THE PLAYERS ARE VETERANS that is what I think, the way things were in NC1 were way better, imps in imp shops, guns in gun shops and so on, there were even the exeptions of freezer/fusion guns and energy blades that made the illusion that the factions were really something different. I must say a harsh thing, but the current situation is idiotic, the game has turned in to WORK. Work to find guns, work to find imps, work to make money, work to have fun.
Usually when I need an imp and none of my clan mates have one I just say "fuck it, maybe later.. if at all" because it really is easier to solo MC5 and gather parts for DS than running around the fucking world in search of imps.
I'm dream of that day when we get a patch which fixes everything and everyone is pleased.
Fixes
-Memory leak has been identified and fixed
-Several FRE's have been identified and fixed
-Drone hud fixed
-impoved proformance etc etc
-Player owned shops added needs extensive testing
-Gliders should now zone correctly instead of crashing
-WOC lvls should now work
-Parra removed <---- I wish lol
I could put more on that list but I think I have covered alot of stuff that pisses me off and others :o
Traders tend to hang all over NC ,DOY and TH due to lack of safezones now, Medicare can be deadly some nights in NC for a tradeskiller. PK's :(
No wonder it's hard to find stuff or people.
A suggestion :-
Lose the crap Job centre in NC - P2. Make it a safezone and make it a trade centre with say +10 Bonus to skills.
Then all tradeskillers will gather there, make it easier for Noobs to find a resser,cst, etc.
Most bp's , weapons and stuff would be available then.
Do the same in DOY so all noobs can find a place to go for trade at least until player shops come in ( AND they better not be in TH only!!)
To tell a noob to goto TH for shit and get like
' wheres that? '
When they probably didn't know an outside existed lol.
It's to dam far to send them for a low tech weapon.
Keep TH but also Give +10 for inter city trade at a higher level. Rares and shit TL 200+ cst res. not needed in city where a TL 60 cst or res would be able to get work from noobs . :)
Weird for me to say it but I've found myself logging on ALOT recently.. well the past few days. Changed clan (<3 PAIN), OP waring everynight again and having a laugh on coms.
THe game has goen down hill but hey its fun for now atleast for me.
Weird for me to say it but I've found myself logging on ALOT recently.. well the past few days. Changed clan (<3 PAIN), OP waring everynight again and having a laugh on coms.
THe game has goen down hill but hey its fun for now atleast for me.
Many of us hit that point a year ago in nc1, it had already been steadily going downhill and we came back had some fun, and then everyone rememberd why they quit in the first place. Nc2 release again brought lots of people back, had some fun, then quit again.
___T-X____
24-11-04, 18:56
PPU and i have a DS one....oh the irony
Lose the crap Job centre in NC - P2. Make it a safezone and make it a trade centre with say +10 Bonus to skills.
Actually, when looking blind for a tradeskiller, I've had the best luck looking in my own faction HQ for just that very reason - and I'm pretty sure that's what KK had in mind.
What I wish they'd do is something even simpler: by default, have the Zone, Faction, Alliance, and Help chat channels turned on ... and I'm less adamant about Zone and Help than I am about the other two!
Heh I just got back from 3 weeks vacation. It seems nothing has changed except I now have 150 aiming and need to lom all my poking. Wonderful. Oh and WoC is pointless and I cant change my stupid clothes yet. Oh and my clan died while I was gone. Oh and I hate everyone in my stupid fucking faction.
I tried to cancel one of my accounts but it said it already was (click2pay) I dunno but I can still login :) I'm not callling click2pay for the 4th time though. Yeah already called them 3 times. KK if you want to force me to stop playing go ahead. I'm not sending another fucking email this time.
:(
One thing that ruins the fun for me or a few.
Safezone = Subway station
This now removes some of the fun of Raiding because u cant just rampage but i can see why it was done and i can live with it.
2) Cop's at major City zonelines.
This does my head in because it is now almost impossible to Raid effectively on your own.
Running into Plaza 2 "ahhh suddenly 4 cop's on zoneline boom boom boom ahh it's ok i can live Wtf Frozen and now i'm moving like a snail.
nm i'll try PP "5 min's l8" hop off of subway "boom boom boom" wtf cop grrrr run to zoneline wtf more!!!.
If i do manage to get into plaza 2 etc as soon as u zone u find (Guess) a copbot that is taking you apart and dont even think about surviving if an enemy see's you :)
But if by luck u manage to get in then there's either 1) nothing but noob's 2) cop's all over that (have another guess on me) freeze you to death or 3) Cop's all over the place meaning PVP is a case of sitting there and hoping u can kill the noob/pro that is exploiting your weak point of not being able to move.
all other zone's are unraidable except ghost town PP 1 2 and 3 Plaza is full of victims but Cop's all over and SHA's mean's it's a no go zone unless u can stealth and again the Freeze bloody ruins everything
Tbh Remove freeze and half of what ive said can be forgiven.
But Doy get's raided like once a year and NC is not raidable so :(
PVP is one of the best thing's in NC imo and with this severly limited I no longer get all my E-Enjoyment.
Matty.
:angel:
Here's a hint, when in PP1/2/3 pop into the old HQs and see if there is a team leveling there. Thats how you died on your PE, I came outta TS HQ and hunted you down from the Local list :lol:
But I can understand how raiding NC is harder now, as the copbots in the subway take the piss as its a SZ. It was bad enough trying to get an anti-city into CA HQ so he could switch to CA and join PAIN, but that was PPU supported. All the copbots make it practically impossible to raid, especially as they can sometimes shoot you in stealth.
Anyone with any sense said this would happen when this system first appeared in beta and guess what we were right - again :eek:.
Indeed.
Player shops a great idea, although it doesn't affect how often I log on to play!
I think that the thread starter is exaggering, or all his chars., are pure tradeskill characters!
Item Tracking.
Knowing that the cool stuff you found, traded for, built, worked hours, days and weeks for, can all disappear and you get an "oh sorry, but we can't help you" IS killing the fun of this game (amoung other things).
To be honest ... I think the whole game is frustrating in one way or another. If KK doesn't make any moves to make things better then it could be over and out for NC within half a year or maybe less (not even thinking of WoW).
I was playing NC from the very beginning and I love the game. For some reason KK messes up a lot of things. I don't blame any game developer or programmer for it but I think KK's management should be waken-up.
There was so many new things which should come with NC2 but I didn't see even 10% of all the stuff. For example; where are our NPC's? where is item tracking? why is hacknet not working like it should? Why are gliders almost unuseable? I can keep going on like that but then this thread would be a so called flame thread :S Well I think people should be free to tell whatever they think or feel about the game. Many of us payed for at least 2 years of gameplay and I think that the time has come where KK should take it's responsibillity for their mistakes.
Sorry but I couldn't stop myself posting my feelings about NC2. :mad: I just need a shoulder to cry :(
Jesterthegreat
24-11-04, 22:38
Well, i never really had any problems getting items so far. Sometimes i had to ask around a bit or find someone to get em for me. But real problems? No way.
Although its true that most people (capped people) give a shit about a noobs needs. They just ignore em, even if they got what the noob wants.
"Getting it from my apartment where its collecting dust just for a lousy tip and a "thank you"? Nah, ima go pk." o_O
Its not the items, its the players.
agree'd, i have got what i need nicely so far. you just need connections (IE not be hated by everyone... im only hated by lots of people unlike the rep Lil T seems to have :p)
Matthew.v.smith
24-11-04, 22:56
Here's a hint, when in PP1/2/3 pop into the old HQs and see if there is a team leveling there. Thats how you died on your PE, I came outta TS HQ and hunted you down from the Local list :lol:
But I can understand how raiding NC is harder now, as the copbots in the subway take the piss as its a SZ. It was bad enough trying to get an anti-city into CA HQ so he could switch to CA and join PAIN, but that was PPU supported. All the copbots make it practically impossible to raid, especially as they can sometimes shoot you in stealth.
Yes I know lol was just hanging about lol and decided to pop into Tsunami "Omg PPU and Tank with buff's Ruuuun" so i did lol some Tank fataled down the Sewer and I wasted him lol then got cut up by some guy with Speedy.
Matty.
Well, i never really had any problems getting items so far. Sometimes i had to ask around a bit or find someone to get em for me. But real problems? No way.
Although its true that most people (capped people) give a shit about a noobs needs. They just ignore em, even if they got what the noob wants.
"Getting it from my apartment where its collecting dust just for a lousy tip and a "thank you"? Nah, ima go pk." o_O
Its not the items, its the players.
Couldn't agree more.
Players' knowledge of the game world helps too. As for Lil T's query regarding higher TL plasma cannons, may i suggest she try the smuggler in Industrial sector 1? Set the Navray to "weapons" to find the exact location. He sells all plasma cannons up to and including the TPC.
Alternatively, one of our clan constructors has been busy recently and i have noticed not one, but two brand new TPCs just lying around our HQ, with two free slots each. I'm sure we can sell you one. Just DM any online member of NNRA. When they're gone, they're gone.
agree'd, i have got what i need nicely so far. you just need connections (IE not be hated by everyone... im only hated by lots of people unlike the rep Lil T seems to have :p)
nah I use alts ^^ as well too see if I get better results
Couldn't agree more.
Players' knowledge of the game world helps too. As for Lil T's query regarding higher TL plasma cannons, may i suggest she try the smuggler in Industrial sector 1? Set the Navray to "weapons" to find the exact location. He sells all plasma cannons up to and including the TPC.
Alternatively, one of our clan constructors has been busy recently and i have noticed not one, but two brand new TPCs just lying around our HQ, with two free slots each. I'm sure we can sell you one. Just DM any online member of NNRA. When they're gone, they're gone.
First I heard of that tbh but thx I will go check that out oh and if anyone is wondering where to buy higher TL fusion cannons the smuggler is at the top appys in the old canyon
Yes I know lol was just hanging about lol and decided to pop into Tsunami "Omg PPU and Tank with buff's Ruuuun" so i did lol some Tank fataled down the Sewer and I wasted him lol then got cut up by some guy with Speedy.
Matty.
Well, he fataled coming outta TS HQ and ended up in the Sewer, rofl. I have come to the conclusion that Speedy's are just overpowered Libby's :lol: , mine was tearing the shit outta ya when I started to actually hit :p
Matthew.v.smith
25-11-04, 10:17
Yes Lol they are pretty hard to keep aim but they hurt if you do :)
Matty.
Guys - since i started playing NC 2 ive been building relationships with a few mates in other factions - i can get pretty much any stuff from any faction so if anyone needs anything let me know by Emailing my researcher on the name below. or to kill some time PM me on the forums - with what you want and a runner contact name
Just Dave
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