View Full Version : Excessive Cynicism
I feel some excessive cynicism coming on. Instead of infecting other threads I'll pour it all out here. For anyone who finds my posts generally quite annoying you might prefer not to read this :p
I've not logged into NC for more than a few minutes at a time in the last few days. Every time I do I get immediately confronted with some nonsense that makes me want to go do something else. I'm not sure what to do next in neocron. Someone please find some faults in my cynics view of the game:
Heavy Tank: cookie cutter are us
Melee Tank: possibly the most boring class to play, and requires little talent. Much despised by everyone for being over powered.
Pistol Tank: once possible, now cookie cuttered out of existance.
PPU: Unbalanced, hated, loved only when needed, expected to be immortal.
APU: always 10 seconds from death.
Hybrid: just seems like a waste of a good DS.
Rifle Spy: long range capped by the game engine. Pointless.
Pistol Spy: comedy fun, but done it before and no use for serious PvP.
Droner Spy: enough said :rolleyes:
Hacknet Spy: almost as buggy as droning, very dull leveling experience
Constructor Spy: tedious
Researcher Spy: tedious and expensive
Pistol PE: hmm possibilities there, not so good for hunting
Rifle PE: no use for PvP since stealth got removed
Heavy PE: Trikes cost to much and blow up too easily. KK stole my four slot speed gatling.
Yes, a little cynical the cynic might say. I'm stuck in this wierd place where I really want to engage with NC2, but all the classes I want to play (PPU, researcher, droner, hacknet spy) are bugged beyond redemption.
Also as a pro-city player it does seem to be almost ludicrously hard to hunt or level with a high rank char. It's no great surprise that DoY has the stronger PvP factions, and combine that with their dominance of the good caves and as pro-city your in real trouble. I have four chars I need to move faction and since NC2 started I've managed to get together enough cash to move one of them.
Sigh. Not really sure where this is going, I'm just not a happy bunny. I was really impressed with NC2 and I like where it's going, it just seems that all the gimpage and the nerfing hasn't been balanced out at all. It's really hard to get items you need and go leveling or hunting, and also really hard to sell your stuff, get the bps you need, travel, etc.
So basically am I being far too pessimistic, or should I just hold on and hope that the next few patches sorts things out?
Not sure i agree with all your points but the ones that effect me i can see what you mean .
As for logging on then logging off bored 5 mins later......yep im having that trouble , dunno why as some poeple seem to be having fun , just not me
*Pokes him*
OI!
I WAS going to roll a character today - But, having read that - now I just think I'm going to sit in a corner and cry...
*Pokes him*
OI!
I WAS going to roll a character today - But, having read that - now I just think I'm going to sit in a corner and cry...
he didnīt say anything bad about a heavy combat monk.... you could always do that :p
Yay for specialization :mad:
KK: "We r TeH promote teem play!!"
:rolleyes:
specialiation is great in moderation... but the same goes for variety. Variety makes the game more surprising.
I would love my Heavy Combat Tank PA wearing, drugged up CS touting Private Eye back. Hold on, I never had one, but I saw one once.
Currently I only play my H-C Tank. As you said, CST is boring and I'm not touching my Droner spy untiil it works again. (I have given up on my monk hybrid). Otherwise, I'm quite excited about it in general.
People are saying that a world of pistol Tanks, melee Monks...etc, etc, would bring diversity and interest to the game, but really; do you honestly believe that, even for a second? Once someone finds a set-up for PvP that works you'll suddenly find we're back to cookie-cutters and everyone being the same at higher levels.
trigger hurt
17-10-04, 20:52
People are saying that a world of pistol Tanks, melee Monks...etc, etc, would bring diversity and interest to the game, but really; do you honestly believe that, even for a second? Once someone finds a set-up for PvP that works you'll suddenly find we're back to cookie-cutters and everyone being the same at higher levels.
I think what is meant by diversity is more like this.
Say I have a rifle spy. I want to be able to pvp with this rifle spy, so I have no choice but to spec all of my dec into tc/rc and agl. If I sacrifice even just one little bit into veh, rep, rec...my performance with rifles begins to drop.
See, the thing is. Some might even remember this. There was a time in NC when you didnt need to overspec so heavily in a combat skill to do well in it. You could have some recycle. Some repair. Some construction. Whatever. Now, the best constructors are the ones who do souly construction. Back in early early nc1 retail, the majority of repairers were tanks.
The problem is that, to outlast the other guy, you just need to squeeze that extra bit out of your combat skills while neglecting your other possibilities. If I didnt need 190+ rc to cap a TL 110 all artifact rifle, I would have plenty of points to spend someplace else.
I think what is meant by diversity is more like this.
Say I have a rifle spy. I want to be able to pvp with this rifle spy, so I have no choice but to spec all of my dec into tc/rc and agl. If I sacrifice even just one little bit into veh, rep, rec...my performance with rifles begins to drop.
See, the thing is. Some might even remember this. There was a time in NC when you didnt need to overspec so heavily in a combat skill to do well in it. You could have some recycle. Some repair. Some construction. Whatever. Now, the best constructors are the ones who do souly construction. Back in early early nc1 retail, the majority of repairers were tanks.
The problem is that, to outlast the other guy, you just need to squeeze that extra bit out of your combat skills while neglecting your other possibilities. If I didnt need 190+ rc to cap a TL 110 all artifact rifle, I would have plenty of points to spend someplace else.
EXACTLY.
This game is becoming a chore for me.
dunno what to do
Thats cuz KK want us all to specialize, needing a party of 4 to hunt after the simples mob, creating one happy family.
The fact that one has to wait ages for a decent level poker, constructor, resser, etc, doesnt matter. We'll juts have to make preps for a hunting party a week in advance. :p
Cster Tank is still semi viable :rolleyes:
atm the main characters im playing are a lowtech pistol PE, low tech rifle PE and a HC Tank, and I bet you my set-ups are the exact same as most others, +/- and imp here and there....well at least if i ever get amnesia i can just ask the guy next to me what goes where.....
and getting stuff these days is pretty annoying, i rolled a new Spy as a pilot, but as soon as a i needed some imps and a gun better than a street Uzil i just got pissed off standing in Plaza 1/MB spamming trade for a day on end with nothing much to show lol
the system would be great if people didn't keep them selves to them selves as much, theres ALOT more PvP trading, coz its the only way, but what happens is that a clan will have a guy in pretty much each faction, and they will ress and const within the clan, leaving alot of unclanned loners at a lost :p
Why can't we just have a skill called TRADE like tanks can be a repper or recycle spys get ress const poke ? PE humm poke rep maybe ressearh
MC/HC hybrid PE: Most fun to play ever. Hacks, pokes, repairs, recycles, drives, flies, guns, caps a PoT.
Rhinos go for 300k now, remote repair tool working again, i'm fine now. Without that char (well actually because he got fucked over royally today ;)) i wouldve probably quit today. :)
Funnily enough I was thinking the same sorts of things as MrChumble. I haven't found the motivation to start a NC2 account yet. I stopped playing NC1 for the last couple of months because it was getting a little tedious, same things everyday.
I don't want to level another character so i'm stuck with the ones I have now.
With regards to specialisation, I was working on an idea to re-do the skill catergories in the hope that more viable setups would be possible. It's only an idea and wont be implemented but i'll post it later on to see the reaction.
I have a similar issue to the thread starter and can agree with the sentiment.
When I log in I.....
Cant do the DRE Epic because mission 2 is [still] bugged (I suppose I could go and do endless aggy missions in an attempt to get some cash back, but then I'm kinda aggy'd out and missions are [still] buggy)
Cant play any of my other characters because I [still] cant transfer them unless I want them all to look like Male Psi Monks (none of them are Male Psi Monks btw)
Original monk
18-10-04, 11:29
also the removal of kamichips didnt really help to get a larger diversity in setups ... they can better make clones or give everyone the same setup cause it always ends cookiecutter anyway and as soon as ya go non-cookiecutter lately ya will find it very hard to compete in pvp yust cause youre being nerfed from every possible side :(
and hybridtanks on there side got nerfed by making the melleecappoint higher ... not that it affected melleetanks in any way at all ... they still cap everything at lowlevel due to a combination of PA, batqueenarm and tons of mellee-implants ...
hybridmonks ? not even worth talking about .. but not by far as fun what they used to be, prenerf and postnerf even
specialisation wont get out of the game i think ... or no-one would need extra accounts :/
Darth Slayer
18-10-04, 11:33
Melee 5tanks overpowered............. :lol:
On my HC tank I've enjoyed a 100% success rate in killing them.
You just have to use the right weapon to kill em.
Scorpius.
i'd agree, most of my clan barely log on any more, we actually have to arrange a time to be on all at once to keep us on more than 10 minutes.
imo its a combination of timesinks, the new faction specific items, WoC, the fact you need a PPU to do any decent levelling, mostly its the lack of trade that annoys me, on pandore BT etc REFUSE to sell to enemy faction so where's the player trade there? ok they are RP'ing so its fair enough, but it just means you have to roll an alt in the faction you want stuff from.
also, and people are gonna flame me for this one, the change to loms affected me a great deal, its not the xp loss i mind its the SI, it means you cant play with your character and try new things, lomming is now such a pain in the arse. i have an apu i want to turn ppu, however lomming is such a chore i havent logged him for ages, i had a droner spy but lomming was such a tedius prospect i deleted him, ideally they should double the xp loss and remove the si, at least i can have fun getting XP back, the Si is nothing but a timesink, reading a book and pushing a button every 5 minutes is not FUN, which at the end of the day, is what we are supposed to be having when playing NC
for me one of NC's major attractions was the lack of timesinkery in the game, the more that get introduced the less i like the game, its a simple equation :(
sex @ joes loms
but ive felt the same thing had the last couple months of nc... ive gone around with my sniper shooting anything thats moves done my epics caved up enough money on my apu to set the rest of my chars off and now im bored the only thing i really kinda do i piss around with my apt's and wonder why i cant remove the facial growth on my spy (which im loming to res/cst/poke/rep later today outta boredom)
anywho ya something is missing not sure what i think its just im burnt out... stuck with nc even after like 50% of the pop dropped off on the jan announcment of the realease date still popped on occasionally till doy, i guess i expected to much from doy =P the pvp is the same ops the same so bah...
and christ i was thinking it was a bitch to get stuff csted when they revamped the bp's in nc1 and added all the weapon 8/9's to the bps :p
Heavy Tank: been playing one of them for almost 2 years, still teh win
Melee Tank: ill go with what you said for this
Pistol Tank: still possible, but not pvp able realy
PPU: umm ya
APU: always 10 seconds from death. haha
Hybrid: waste of a DS O_o hybrids are great
Rifle Spy: riflespies are fun, get a good setup and pvping is fun, sniping was cool as well, i could often find enough range to keep my enemy away before he dropped
Pistol Spy: "and no use for serious PvP" you must of had a shit pistol spy
Droner Spy: NC2 probs rule this out
Hacknet Spy: dunno about this
Constructor Spy: tedious
Researcher Spy: tedious and expensive
Pistol PE: pistols pes are good for hunting, at least i found them good
Rifle PE: i pvped fine with my old rifle PE
Heavy PE: never played this one
Cant do the DRE Epic because mission 2 is [still] bugged Lupus put up a temp NPC to work around that problem. See the epic bugs thread. The N.E.X.T. one is working. I got my Reveler a couple days ago.
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I agree the item acquisition problem is annoying. If I didn't have four accounts and 12 alts, I would have probably thrown in the towel until player shops went in. As it is I have yet to find a higher TL pistol than the Revver for my PP Spy that isn't also tech...
I wish KK would throttle or scale back the point reqs for combat capping. I too believe it would help increase diversity on the servers.
Oh well...
angelsenior
18-10-04, 13:31
There are indeed a lot of cookie cutter setups
out there and not much enticement for the players to try
other setups.
Some items are really underused/underpowered like grenades and grenade launchers, having these upgraded would make quite a difference in PvP.
there could be smoke, poison, explosive, fire grenades.
Everyone should be able to use them, better HC/STR stats would only enable a better control of the grenades flight path/range.
They are AOE weapon and as such should be dangerous to groups, be used indirectly (ie around corners, from/to rooftops) etc...
Maybe also think about combo weapons etc...
Indeed it shouldnt be as hard to cap the stats on items/weapons to allow a broader usage of your skill points.
Just some thoughts...
There are indeed a lot of cookie cutter setups
out there and not much enticement for the players to try
other setups.
Some items are really underused/underpowered like grenades and grenade launchers, having these upgraded would make quite a difference in PvP.
there could be smoke, poison, explosive, fire grenades.
Everyone should be able to use them, better HC/STR stats would only enable a better control of the grenades flight path/range.
They are AOE weapon and as such should be dangerous to groups, be used indirectly (ie around corners, from/to rooftops) etc...
Maybe also think about combo weapons etc...
Indeed it shouldnt be as hard to cap the stats on items/weapons to allow a broader usage of your skill points.
Just some thoughts...
You just reminded me of a thread i wrote a while ago...
clicky... (http://forum.neocron.com/showthread.php?t=106336)
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