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Seven
10-10-04, 19:45
The decisions being made that affect the gameplay in Neocron are obviously made by people who don't play the game like we do.

Please hire someone to play your game like we play it.
That would be the best thing you could do as far as getting to know your game and improving it 10 fold.

:)

Jesterthegreat
10-10-04, 21:30
what decisions?

Nidhogg
10-10-04, 21:35
Don't believe the hype. KK and many of the volunteers do play and have played for a long long time.

N

Jesterthegreat
10-10-04, 22:04
i have played with 1 KK staff member that i know of, and i know mods play.

i agree there have been alot of bad decisions though

:edit:

make that 2 members.

one while he/she was on the kk staff, one before he/she was on the staff

MrChumble
10-10-04, 22:16
I heard that most KK staff & volunteers avoid clans cos of the bias aspect. No idea if that's true, but it might go some way toward explaining why they generally appear to be completely out of touch.

Either that or they all play tank + PPU :p

Nidhogg
10-10-04, 22:21
Who do you think's doing all the allied PKing? ;)

N

Jesterthegreat
10-10-04, 22:22
well i only know 2 members of KK staff.

i know for a fact one was clanned, i know what char name / clan name / server name, however i wont make it public before anyone asks.

the other one i dunno.



if KK staff stay in clans after joining the KK team? i dunno that either

MrChumble
10-10-04, 22:34
Who do you think's doing all the allied PKing?
15 year olds, mostly. With apologies to both the 15 year olds who play NC who aren't annoying whiny PKers.

Jesterthegreat
10-10-04, 22:37
15 year olds, mostly. With apologies to both the 15 year olds who play NC who aren't annoying whiny PKers.


ill be an anoying PKer when i bother to set my chars back up again... but for now im not (oh and im not 15 :D)

Carbonite
10-10-04, 22:40
(oh and im not 15 :D)

your not o_O
damn i thought you where...

j/k

Jesterthegreat
10-10-04, 22:43
carb... since your here feel like posting on some of the threads about actual ingame problems.

i love a company that is "matey" with its customers... but that only works if they talk to them properly too...

may i suggest the drone thread where people are talking about deleting their chars or lomming their chars that they have had since NC1 launch?

alot of people are pissed off at the way this game is going, and even if you cant change that right now you can at least talk to the player base and try to reasure them, comprimise on some things (like droners that have been bugged for years)


:edit: to quote your sig... "you did it, you fix it" say that to KK enough, think we will get results?

Jesterthegreat
10-10-04, 22:46
carb - if you would be so kind (http://forum.neocron.com/showthread.php?t=115770&page=1&pp=15) :D

Nidhogg
10-10-04, 22:50
Don't double post, please. You've been here long enough to know the score.

N

MrChumble
10-10-04, 22:52
Don't double post, please. You've been here long enough to know the score.
:lol:

Nidhogg = king of irony.

Jesterthegreat
10-10-04, 22:53
nid sees from my recent posts that im beginning to see the score... :(

:edit: well i got one KK reply. i should feel privelaged i guess.

of course it wasnt on anyhting that mattered... it was on my age... :wtf:

MrChumble
10-10-04, 22:57
:edit: well i got one KK reply. i should feel privelaged i guess.
MJS replied to me a couple of times. He even said useful stuff. It was about a year ago though so maybe it's almost time for him to post again.

Usually official replies to my posts involve words like "don't" "again" and "bannable" :D

Jesterthegreat
10-10-04, 22:58
MJS replied to me a couple of times. He even said useful stuff. It was about a year ago though so maybe it's almost time for him to post again.

Usually official replies to my posts involve words like "don't" "again" and "bannable" :D


well mjs posted on the c2p sticky but it was a general "continued talks" kinda post.

the kind that looks like its just from a template

jernau
10-10-04, 22:59
Who do you think's doing all the allied PKing? ;)

N
Well Martin has his LE in (or so he said) so it's not him.

Didn't you have a droner Nid? - If it's you it can't be on him.

I reckon it's Snowcrash.

Nidhogg
10-10-04, 23:00
If you don't think it's in KK's and 10T's best interests to sort C2P out then you're living in cloud cuckoo land. You can bet that C2P are under siege right now.

N

/edit - yes I have a droner. I can't discuss my personal opinions on an official forum account though. ;)

Jesterthegreat
10-10-04, 23:01
Well Martin has his LE in (or so he said) so it's not him.

Didn't you have a droner Nid? - If it's you it can't be on him.

I reckon it's Snowcrash.


snow set my sl to -100 on the closed beta...

Jesterthegreat
10-10-04, 23:03
If you don't think it's in KK's and 10T's best interests to sort C2P out then you're living in cloud cuckoo land. You can bet that C2P are under siege right now.

N

/edit - yes I have a droner. I can't discuss my personal opinions on an official forum account though. ;)


if KK think they cn get away with the droner bugs stopping an entire class from working and saying its "low priority" they are living in cloud cuckoo land.

:edit: shit double post. can you merge em or something?

MrChumble
10-10-04, 23:03
/edit - yes I have a droner. I can't discuss my personal opinions on an official forum account though. ;)
Do you have an unofficial account? :)

/me wants to see Nid's personal feelings. I mean really, you could rant all day and no one would edit you! Being a mod must be teh win :D

Nidhogg
10-10-04, 23:07
Actually that would be the quickest way to get fired. ;) As for "low priority", that's a relative term and depends on what's above it.

N

Opar
10-10-04, 23:09
15 year olds, mostly. With apologies to both the 15 year olds who play NC who aren't annoying whiny PKers.

I've never killed an ally.

And im not even 15 yet. I suggest you apologise to the under 15s who play NC who arren't annoyginw hiny PKers, too!

MrChumble
10-10-04, 23:10
Actually that would be the quickest way to get fired. ;) As for "low priority", that's a relative term and depends on what's above it.Taxis, spirit mods, gliders that explode if they touch anything more substantial than a dream...

So presumably in this case 'low priority' can be taken to mean 'is not even on the list'?



I've never killed an ally.

And im not even 15 yet. I suggest you apologise to the under 15s who play NC who arren't annoyginw hiny PKers, too!

No need, under 15s are too used to being shouted at and told what to do. They still have a modicum of deceny and good ol fashioned fear in em. 15 year olds have crossed the threshold into adolesence...or as I like to call it "the 4 years spent pissing off everyone they come into contact with." Some people never grow out of this phase, and end up becoming disillusioned 25 year olds who spend their sunday evenings ranting on game forums...oh...bugger.

Jesterthegreat
10-10-04, 23:10
Actually that would be the quickest way to get fired. ;) As for "low priority", that's a relative term and depends on what's above it.

N


do you know / can you find out what is?

IMO all that should be above it is c2p. epic bugs suck, but dont ruin a whole class. if lvl 2 / 3 backbones are missing that will make leveling chars harder, but leveling a droner is impossible. the defences of pro city being too weak (raided constantly) needs improvement, but the pro city can do fine outside the fighting areas, droners cant.

this is a class that has always been bugged, now completely useless. there shouldnt be much higher than that.

i would put drone bugs up there with the mem problems. again mem leaks will eventually cause crash / lockup / slowdown, but the "free mem" think in the fps display at least gives a warning... droners are useless 100% of the time

Nidhogg
10-10-04, 23:14
I can't comment on what's above it in the priority list as I'm not involved in that area. BTW, since when was droning a class?

N

MrChumble
10-10-04, 23:15
since when was droning a class?
Since KK broke out the cookie cutter. Rifle spy and Droner spy are as distinctly different as APU and Tank.

Jesterthegreat
10-10-04, 23:20
Since KK broke out the cookie cutter. Rifle spy and Droner spy are as distinctly different as APU and Tank.

well said

droner is a class in the same way a PPU is a class.

its not a "race" class... but its a character class.


:edit: as i said - can you find out?

you have seen the responses i get from KK. nothing except a comment on my age.

Ozambabbaz
10-10-04, 23:22
Don't believe the hype. KK and many of the volunteers do play and have played for a long long time.

N

i remember MJS spouting out he had a tank, which makes sense, but one thing i want to know is who's idea was it to make monks the one class for pvp in a pvp game?

edit:

and thx again for mingling with us and stating ur opinions, it's nice to see :)

QuantumDelta
10-10-04, 23:26
Just the fact that people are calling weapon types (sub-classes) classes, is a testament to specialisation -_-

Jesterthegreat
10-10-04, 23:29
Just the fact that people are calling weapon types (sub-classes) classes, is a testament to specialisation -_-


as much as i hate specialisation, its forced if you wanna do well.

if you dont specialise your fucked (and if you do specialise in certain weapo skills... your fucked)

Richard Slade
11-10-04, 00:17
Wouldn't a simple solution be to lower cap needs (points, not levels) on all weapons by like 40%?
Would mean we'd have kinda many points to put into other stuff
meaning 'specialization' wouldn't exist..
"Should I use droning AND pistol... or tradeskilling.. or maybe rifles and pistol..."
That doesn't go for PSI tho.. "Should I be hybrid, or hybrid.." :p

Blacksword
11-10-04, 03:08
I can't comment on what's above it in the priority list as I'm not involved in that area. BTW, since when was droning a class?

N




riggers are droners aren't they? I remember when droning did not suck, like when nc1 started. in fact they were overpowered and everyone wanted em nerfed/ balanced whatever.

seems like droners have been nerfed/bugged much in the same way as the american buffalo has.

glad i didnt get my droner up too high before i quit the first time. at least i know which character not to touch for awhile. maybe ill lom him to cstr to compliment the researcher i made.


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