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Judge
01-10-04, 17:05
Is anyone else here a little worried about the WoC skills? I mean I know they're in and everything, thats no what I'm worried about... what I mean is that from what I've been hearing they are basically my worst nightmare, go find a relatively rare mob which has an incredibly low chance of dropping something that'll help you on your way to getting WoC skills?

Erm what? Thats content is it now? :wtf:

Sorry if I've got the wrong end of the stick but it just sounds like an addition to the leveling treadmill which is going to be necessary to take part in PvP. :(

Radamez
01-10-04, 17:10
And it looks like a PPU is a requirment to gain WoC skills...................

Glok
01-10-04, 17:17
I was under the impression that WoC skills and items were just something cool you could have, not an advantage in PvP. If they are an advantage in PvP then that is just fucked up.

Shinto
01-10-04, 17:27
And it looks like a PPU is a requirment to gain WoC skills...................
YAY I NEED A PPU TO DO IT WOOT WOOT WOOT...........oh wait :(

Mumblyfish
01-10-04, 17:34
And it looks like a PPU is a requirment to gain WoC skills...................
And if that's true, us characters who CAN'T have PPU support are once again shafted. Next they'll tell me that it needs indoor combat, which thanks to their hideously specialisation-yay system, I can't do. Woo.

C'mon KK, don't shaft the drivers on this one, ey? ;)

Shinto
01-10-04, 17:37
And if that's true, us characters who CAN'T have PPU support are once again shafted. Next they'll tell me that it needs indoor combat, which thanks to their hideously specialisation-yay system, I can't do. Woo.

C'mon KK, don't shaft the drivers on this one, ey? ;)sry mumbly, you never stood a chance

Mumblyfish
01-10-04, 17:38
sry mumbly, you never stood a chance
...

...I know...

:(

Hey, maybe I could sit in my apartment and shoot the cabinets with my TL40 Plasma Wave! Then I could pretend KK like drivers! That'd be awesome!

AWESOME!

AWESOMO POWAH!

Spermy
01-10-04, 18:10
Well - It's a bit of a thinky.

You need discs. You need PPU support. You need discs. Uh... you need discs.

To get the discs you need to hunt a lot.

Clans.

One person is on a woc quest, takes his clan along - lvling XP for the clan - PPU support - and easier to obtain discs in some sort of quantity. Not sure how the discs work, but spend a night doing it - and whack the spares in a cab for the next clanny who wants in on the WOC.

Also as a PVP point - anyone with a better skillset than you is at an advantage - saying nerf WOC for PVP is like saying nerf levels. :wtf:

Seven
01-10-04, 18:32
Sounds like another big timesink that you can get through with the right team and a long night.
Just hope they don't do a rollback the next day because of some "new hardware" glitch...

msdong
01-10-04, 18:38
..
Hey, maybe I could sit in my apartment and shoot the cabinets with my TL40 Plasma Wave! Then I could pretend KK like drivers! That'd be awesome!
...

can i assist you? i mean i can throw self constructed stuff at it and hope it turns into a ceres disk
:rolleyes:

Spermy
01-10-04, 18:46
You can stamp on a construction grease canister - till it's flat and write ceres on it. It's not like NPCs can tell the difference. I mean - you can sex them all day long and they don't complain...

whifix
01-10-04, 19:04
Isn't the ceres mob a hoverbomber like mob? Doesn't this meen melee people do not have access to this?

//Edit//
I take it back. I just read that they are 127/127 launcher cyclops like mobs.

Dribble Joy
01-10-04, 19:09
The only thing I am really concerned about is how WoC skills will affect the allready fucked up balance.

Skills like ' All cast times halved' or whatever, could be messy.

Shinto
01-10-04, 19:36
from the info i have infront of me its weapons and armour stuff like that

Dribble Joy
01-10-04, 20:15
From what I have been told it is items and skills.

Whatever source, we just need to wait.

Shinto
01-10-04, 20:23
i have a list of some stuff but i dont know if its ok to post it

joran420
01-10-04, 21:26
Woc better be combat based and not some RP crap.....i dont want the flowers of crahn as a WoC skill

Judge
01-10-04, 21:30
It should be PvP based, but should not become a necessity to PvP. For example you could have dual wield pistols, however its more of a different style of combat, rather than just being plain better than single wield.

joran420
01-10-04, 21:32
no it should increase PvP effectiveness(just not by loads....) If dual combat upped damage 20% over normal weild but could only weild TL 100 or under that would work i think

Judge
01-10-04, 21:35
The problem is that then WoC is basically just an extra addition to the leveling treadmill, rather than extra content. If that is the case then they might as well have just upped the skill cap and been straight with us about what they were doing.

I'm tempted to not upgrade my account until I find out more info on the WoC skills.

msdong
01-10-04, 21:47
Woc better be combat based ...

but i hope there is more to combat them guns ?!

€: ceres disks are source of knowlege. may it weapon tech or support tech.

Shinto
01-10-04, 23:00
ok i was given this list of details , dont know how uptodate this info is.

Ceres RayCannon RC-C1
Ceres RayCannon RC-C2
Ceres RayCannon RC-C3
Ceres RayCannon RC-C4
"Ceres Attack CPU 1"
"Ceres Craftsman Chip 1"
"Ceres Craftsman Chip 2"
"Ceres Craftsman Chip 3"
"Ceres Craftsman Chip 4"
"Ceres Craftsman Chip 5"
"Ceres Distance Attack CPU 1"
"Ceres Distance Attack CPU 2"
"Ceres Distance Attack CPU 3"
"Ceres Distance Attack CPU 4"
"Ceres Distance Attack CPU 5"
"Ceres Fire Spell"
"Ceres Grenadelauncher GL-C1"
"Ceres Grenadelauncher GL-C2"
"Ceres Grenadelauncher GL-C3"
"Ceres Grenadelauncher GL-C4"
"Ceres Grenadelauncher GL-C5"
"Ceres Heavy Combat CPU
"Ceres Heavy Combat CPU
"Ceres Heavy Combat CPU
"Ceres Heavy Combat CPU
"Ceres Heavy Combat CPU
"Ceres PowerGlove PG-C1"
"Ceres Powerarmor PPC-1"
"Ceres Powerarmor PPC-2"
"Ceres Powerarmor PPC-3"
"Ceres Powerarmor PPC-4"
"Ceres Powerarmor PPC-5"
"Ceres Powerarmor XC-1"
"Ceres Powerarmor XC-2"
"Ceres Powerarmor XC-3"
"Ceres Powerarmor XC-4"
"Ceres Powerarmor XC-5"
"Ceres Powerarmor XPC-1"
"Ceres Powerarmor XPC-2"
"Ceres Powerarmor XPC-3"
"Ceres Powerarmor XPC-4"
"Ceres Powerarmor XPC-5"
"Ceres Powercloak APC-C1"
"Ceres RayCannon RC-C1"
"Ceres RayCannon RC-C2"
"Ceres RayCannon RC-C3"
"Ceres RayCannon RC-C4"
"Ceres RayCannon RC-C5"
"Ceres RayGunPistol RGP-C1"
"Ceres RayGunPistol RGP-C2"
"Ceres RayGunPistol RGP-C3"
"Ceres RayGunPistol RGP-C4"
"Ceres RayGunPistol RGP-C5"
"Ceres RayGunRifle RGR-C1"
"Ceres RayGunRifle RGR-C2"
"Ceres RayGunRifle RGR-C3"
"Ceres RayGunRifle RGR-C4"
"Ceres RayGunRifle RGR-C5"
"Ceres Reflexbooster 1"
"Ceres Rigger Chip 1"
"Ceres Rigger Chip 2"
"Ceres Rigger Chip 3"
"Ceres Rigger Chip 4"
"Ceres Rigger Chip 5"
"Ceres Stealthtool T-C1"
"Ceres Stealthtool T-C1"
"Ceres Stealthtool T-C1"
"Ceres Stealthtool T-C2"
"Ceres Stealthtool T-C5"
"Ceres WarDrone WD-C1000"
"Ceres WarDrone WD-C2000"
"Ceres WarDrone WD-C3000"
"Ceres WarDrone WD-C4000"
"Ceres WarDrone WD-C5000"
"Ceres Warblade WB-C1"
"Ceres Warblade WB-C2"
"Ceres Warblade WB-C3"
"Ceres Warblade WB-C4"
"Ceres Warblade WB-C5"
"Handgrenade G-C1"
"Handgrenade G-C2"
"Handgrenade G-C3"
"Handgrenade G-C4"
"Handgrenade G-C5"

Mumblyfish
01-10-04, 23:04
Ceres Heavy Combat CPU? Ceres Grenade Launchers? Ceres Craftsman Chips? RayCannons? Hand grenades? Warblades?

Oh god, I'm in love. Please say some of the H-C ones fall below the STR 50 category!

Shinto
01-10-04, 23:05
ive no idea on stats i was just given the details of the weapon names

Mumblyfish
01-10-04, 23:06
ive no idea on stats i was just given the details of the weapon names
Just lie to me. I like it when you do that.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/images/smiles/winky.gif

Shinto
01-10-04, 23:07
lie mode "yes some of the HC stuff is below Str 50" lie mode off

Mumblyfish
01-10-04, 23:10
zomg

u stoelz teh smilie

i keel u ded

kekekeke ^____________^

whifix
01-10-04, 23:17
Don't see anything that'll help a Melee PE out. Why did they even put that class as a option...

Spermy
01-10-04, 23:19
So even shitty players still had some one to kill, DUH!

Dirus
01-10-04, 23:21
I see that WoC item list was ripped straight from the game's files :rolleyes:

And for those who have issues with the stuff listed. I don't believe the list is complete yet, and that list doesn't show what is for what class. There is groups of items aimed towards the different classes.

joran420
01-10-04, 23:22
sex 1111!!!

Mumblyfish
01-10-04, 23:37
And for those who have issues with the stuff listed. I don't believe the list is complete yet, and that list doesn't show what is for what class. There is groups of items aimed towards the different classes.
A simple request, make some of them low STR/DEX/INT/whatever. Obviously not really PvP-worthy, but at least give those of us stuck with crap-all (cheers, specialisation) some decent toys to play with. I mean, you have to go through a huge quest for them, so it's not like it'll overpower mid-level people at all.

joran420
01-10-04, 23:49
you can only do WOC quests oce your capped.....

so how can a mid lvl get WOC ???

:P

Mumblyfish
01-10-04, 23:52
you can only do WOC quests oce your capped.....

so how can a mid lvl get WOC ???

:P
I'm talking about drivers, as I always do ;)

Judge
02-10-04, 00:16
I seriously hope that WoC skills are not just fucking items... And not just re-hashes of old items with higher skills bonus, because that'd sure be fun. /sarcasm

Shinto
02-10-04, 00:22
I see that WoC item list was ripped straight from the game's files :rolleyes:

And for those who have issues with the stuff listed. I don't believe the list is complete yet, and that list doesn't show what is for what class. There is groups of items aimed towards the different classes.
the list was given to me, i didnt ask where it came from

Heavyporker
02-10-04, 00:22
Well, judge, remember when I (and others) suggested that KK add special effects to the unique items to make them really stand out? You know, like the chaos flameavalanche becoming a triple-shot fireball? or the energy soulblade have whirling white blobs around the blade? And a special nailgun? Remember that?

They did no-fuck-thin-shiting.


Instead, the mob uniques are just so fucking prosaic, and now with the spell range uber-nerf, the chaos flameavalanche lost the only thing it had going for it!!!


FFS, give the chaos queen 200m fireball range, FFS!


FFS!


FFS!


FFS!!


FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

jernau
02-10-04, 01:03
I want the Ceres Compass of Confusedness where locations in the West move to the North (DoY) and those in the North move to the West (Ceres).

Apparently it can also make radioactive territory, large valleys and icy tundra mystically disappear but that may be a vicious rumour.

;)



/edit - oh yeah and camping=wank. As if you hadn't already put enough annoying timesinks in already.:rolleyes:

joran420
02-10-04, 01:13
lol heavy flame ava got range nerfed a looooong ass time ago.

Sorin
02-10-04, 04:15
Speaking of WoC, WTF!? Since when do you have to have done an epic before being able to do anything for WoC? I thought this was something to do with being Capped, not doing epics.

So before I get any more rude awakenings on my LE, what other weird requirements does WoC have?

DonnyJepp
02-10-04, 04:55
So before I get any more rude awakenings on my LE, what other weird requirements does WoC have?

you have to be not-LE cuz WOC is pvp gear only

j/k


Sex @ Sorin

Sorin
02-10-04, 05:52
you have to be not-LE cuz WOC is pvp gear only

j/k


Sex @ Sorin

Well it apparently is, seeing as how he wants me to do an epic before doing anything about WOC :rolleyes: Hopefully the NEXT epic is still doable with an LE, I'll leave BD temporarily to do the NEXT epic then come back to BD and try WOC again. Going to be expensive as hell and extremely time wasting, but ah well.

Anyways, if I do get my other account transfered, I'm thinking I'll delete Sorin. No one wants to PPU for him. It's sad, everyone wants to PPU my Rifle Spy, but no one wants to touch my APU :( I've leveled him to about 4/5 of the way to cap solo, but its going too slow now :(