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[TgR]KILLER
26-08-04, 16:13
Since you can't open old threads :p and the other thread is almost a month old now.. a new one !

finaly a score that pimps a bit more :p

old setup 1520 score..

new setup 9284 ( base )

trying new drivers.. and gonna see if i can overcloak again ( different bios ^^ )

garyu69
26-08-04, 16:16
I need an upgraded bios but some fools tried to charge me :(

winnoc
26-08-04, 16:26
Jeeez, there are overclocked bioses for most popular boards out there.

Besides TGRKiller, what processor did you get in there?

[TgR]KILLER
26-08-04, 16:48
i ment its a dif bios then the one i had on the msi board :p
but after some fiddeling i found how i can oc this one to :p

9502 3d marks now.. ran the 3d mark stable so thats ok tho gonna check if it runs games without crashing to :).

its just a amd xp 2200+ now running @ 2800+

winnoc
26-08-04, 16:55
That's a damn good oveclock for a 2200+, i got two of those chips at home, one in my server and one in my second computer. Both on ECS boards (not good for overclocking) and i run em at 2400+ standard.

I bet you're using artic silver and a good cooler for it?

I run a SP-97 with a 92mm papst fan to keep my m2500+ cool, adn i have a 120mm blowing cold air in on a sidepannel.


You should try to unlock the multiplier on that 2200+, and increase the vcore on your board.

SovKhan
26-08-04, 17:00
the real question is whats your video card.

[TgR]KILLER
26-08-04, 17:08
xfx 6800 GT ^^

tho still fiddeling with my system.. gonna get the score up a bit..

@ winnoc check the link under my sig :) full system specs.. pictures will be updated tonight when i get the pics of the digicam :)

9502 score with cpu back on its old speed.. ( @ 2800+ speed )

now gonna find a program and fiddle with my gfx :p

Ryuben
26-08-04, 17:09
last time i did a test it was aqua mark 3


49k on it :D

plague
26-08-04, 18:19
" Running at Core: 280 mhz, Memory: 545 mhz" - r u sure thats correct killer, specs like this where used on old 3dfx cards, i think u meant 380 core clock, memory kinda slow too.. i got me card to 432mhz core clock and 780mhz memory (x800 pro soft moded to xt and overclocked)

[TgR]KILLER
26-08-04, 18:21
lol i know for sure it aint right.. those are the old specs of my TI 4200.. din't exactly know the onces from the 6800 :p using powerstrip atm.. slowly pushing it up.. ( btw.. 6800 GT is base 350 core and 1000 mem.. )

tho when my aerogate gonna push the temp when running 3dmark over 60 i gues its time to quit pushing it faster :p but for now *grins*

@ 9801 3d marks.. and i want more.. i want to get over 10000 :p

plague
26-08-04, 18:31
KILLER']lol i know for sure it aint right.. those are the old specs of my TI 4200.. din't exactly know the onces from the 6800 :p using powerstrip atm.. slowly pushing it up.. ( btw.. 6800 GT is base 350 core and 1000 mem.. )

tho when my aerogate gonna push the temp when running 3dmark over 60 i gues its time to quit pushing it faster :p but for now *grins*

@ 9801 3d marks.. and i want more.. i want to get over 10000 :p

what drivers r u useing? I think omega drivers the best, they also comes with radlinker(overclock utility) and if u got enough cooling u can over clock er card very nice :D . i get 9740 3dmark score on me machine and i only have xp 2000+ heh but o overclocked hell outa me vid tho and upgraded cooling ^^..with your cad you should be able to get over 10000 :p

[TgR]KILLER
26-08-04, 19:01
aaand there it is :p running my card core@380 mem@1025 got over 10K points can get higher i think but atm i cba atm.. gonna try farcry in a second see how that goes and if my system stays stable ( with OC on cpu and vid :p )

also updated my site now with updated info and new pics ^^

Archeus
26-08-04, 19:08
Weren't the 3D card companies found cheating those scores? Basically sees your running a bench mark tester and then modifys the execution to get a better score.

[TgR]KILLER
26-08-04, 19:17
Weren't the 3D card companies found cheating those scores? Basically sees your running a bench mark tester and then modifys the execution to get a better score.

cheating on the scores? when it goes higher when you get your system faster is higher ?

and modifys the execution ? wtf you on about.. only thing i'm doing is ocing my system to get a better score.. to benchmark what i get then.

Jaenus
26-08-04, 19:28
Heh there was some drivers (from NVidia and ATI I think) that, if you were running a certain benchmark program, used faster code / rendering techniques that gave worse quality visuals. This upped their scores a lot and people were happy until someone spotted what was going on :)

[D]est
26-08-04, 20:52
AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ 2.1 GHz
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900 Driver 5.6.7.2

3Dmark03 - Free Version

Result: 5486

Pretty low compared with yours, Only changed to front bus to 210(200) ...

Opar
26-08-04, 21:54
Well, last time I ran 3D Mark, I think I got 5000 and something points.

AMD Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2 ghz
Radeon 9800 pro
512mb RAM.

Getting some more RAM soon me hopes.

EDIT : And oh yeah, I have no idea how OC'ing works, how to do it, the risks involved or anything. So, if anyone would like to PM me what to do :p

Ransom
26-08-04, 21:55
I haven't really started to mess around with overclocking yet, but:

12255

XFX G6800U
Intel 3.0 400 FSB

Don't think I have the power output to overclock the graphics cards though :(

Opar
26-08-04, 21:56
Don't think I have the power output to overclock the graphics cards though :(

I dont think you need to, tbh :p

[TgR]KILLER
26-08-04, 22:02
my vid is OCed way less agian atm :p just wanted to see till were i could get it stable.. but there is no game @ all that needs all that power atm lol

ocing can make your system pretty unstable.. was messing around with the fsb.. 1 time 3d mark just went out back to desktop.. 1 time my comp wouldn't even boot :p but its running fine now ^^

Ransom
26-08-04, 22:21
I dont think you need to, tbh :p

Not yet my friend, but give it six months and it will probably be obsolete :eek:

I do hope not though :lol:

Ransom

Siygess
26-08-04, 23:07
*sniff* I just ran 3D Mark 03 on my PC out of curiousity..

The following PC:

Athlon XP 2800+ (2.25GhZ, not OC)
MSI KT4 6590 Mb
1Gb of PC 2700 Ram
128mb Gainward GeForce FX5600

scored a paltry 2018 marks :(

Terayon
26-08-04, 23:14
yar. basicly it only realy scores your videocard. my 9600 gets me 3026. thats with omega drivers and overclocked slightly.

james_finn
26-08-04, 23:57
Meh well with my system (latest dets etc.)

XP2800+
1024 PC3200 (Generic) RAM
Aopen 6800GT (Stock Speeds)

I onyl get 8500 3dmark03

bah how do i get it faster, is it not running at full whack? I thought it was the processor but with what you guys are posting i doubt it. Someone help!

Delphi

[TgR]KILLER
27-08-04, 00:50
hmm hearing that.. maybe i should be glad i got a xfx not the aopen :p

Delphi if your card doesn't come with its own oc program then google for PowerStrip and download that.. used that to oc my vid. works great ^^

Coid
27-08-04, 04:10
OCing is a nice way to void the warranty ;) and u will definatly need it ocing...

tkNukem
27-08-04, 04:35
12196 on 3dmark03
62,663 on aquamark3 ("triscore")
amd 64 3200+, 1 gig corsair 3200LL, PNY GeForce 6800 ultra, abit kv8-max3 mobo.
actually i just oc'ed the bus to 210 (2100 mhz):
12340

Seven
27-08-04, 06:49
Hopefully I'll be able to finish up my desktop PC this week.
Anyway, this is what my Toshiba Satellite scored.

Pentium 4 3.20GHz, 512MB DDR, GeForce FXGo5700 128MB
Windows XP Media Center Edition, Version 2002 Service Pack 1
DirectX 9.0c

[D]est
27-08-04, 10:57
[TgR]KILLER and Ransom, What nvidia driver version your using?

garyu69
27-08-04, 11:01
Has anyone ever run the test on nvidia drivers then on Omega drivers to see if there is any improvement?

winnoc
27-08-04, 11:21
I run the latest 65 something nvidia drivers. But when i tried using the starstorm drivers my computer would reboot every 2 minutes, and the error message i got is that the gfx card was the problem.


I dunno about 3dmark03 but in 3dmark2001 i got 16200.

[TgR]KILLER
27-08-04, 11:43
was still running the drivers that came on the cd.. don't know what cba looking it up :p downloading latest nvid drivers 61.77 from their site.

winnoc
27-08-04, 11:55
Latest drivers are Forceware 66.00

Always use www.guru3d.com as your source for video card stuff.

El_MUERkO
27-08-04, 12:01
Firstly instead of using the standard ATI Cat drivers use Omega drivers, they'll give you more options and improved performance.

http://www.omegadrivers.net/

Secondly download ATI Tool

http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/

When you go into your drivers you'll see the clock speed of the CPU and Memory, the faster the speed the highter your FPS, the omega drivers allow you to set this manually but the higher you set it the more likely the gfx card is to overheat and cause graphical glitches known as artifacts.

Running ATI tool raises the speed of the CPU and memory very slowly while a little 3d window checks for artifacts once it starts to see them it clocks down till they go away, then it does the same with the memory.

After an hour of messing with ATI tool you should get your ideal settings for the best possible graphics without damaging your card.

Then run a few 3dmarks and Aquamarks to ensure the card can run high detail gfx over prolonged periods.

I found my 9800 non pro could go 50mhz over its GPU clock speed using the stock cooling and the memory could go 20mhz over but it differs from card to card (though I got them alot higher with an Artic VGA Silencer :D).

Remember theres always a risk with overclocking but thousands have done it before you without problems.

Goto the ATI forums at www.techreport.com if you want to know more.

[TgR]KILLER
27-08-04, 12:06
Latest drivers are Forceware 66.00

Always use www.guru3d.com as your source for video card stuff.

We haven't had time to test these fully and bare in mind they are not WHQL so please be careful. We do not know where these drivers originate from or even know anything about their validity.

etc etc.. i'll stick to official drivers 2 fps more can be stolen if its running 100 fps anyway..

garyu69
27-08-04, 12:17
since using the Omega drivers for my nvidia card i rarely ever crash in a night on NC and at more usually only the once.

COuld just be luck though.

bd*
27-08-04, 12:41
'You're obsolete'

Or rather your score is about to plumet ->

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=monext3dmark&Number=4287554&page=0&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=1&vc=1&dbid=1

New 3d mark, yay ... boo, back to getting 10fps in the game tests with the latests hardware :(

O, and i get 13k on 03 :angel:

Judge
27-08-04, 12:54
When you install new drivers (graphic cards), you're meant to uninstall the old ones, reboot then install new ones right? I can never remember wether you're just meant to do that when installing a new card itself.

Seven
27-08-04, 16:48
When you install new drivers (graphic cards), you're meant to uninstall the old ones, reboot then install new ones right? I can never remember wether you're just meant to do that when installing a new card itself.

Use this for ATI and nVidia drivers.

http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/

Ransom
28-08-04, 23:22
I've just installed the 61.77 drivers too, flashed my motherboard, updated everything I can, and I got a few hundred points more on the score. If I didn't find the ragtroll test so amusing, I would give this all up as too much hastle :lol:

Seven
30-08-04, 01:28
Problem with ATI tool and 3Dmark03.

I get this error message when I try to run the benchmark with ATI tool loaded.

Celt
30-08-04, 21:16
Problem with ATI tool and 3Dmark03.

I get this error message when I try to run the benchmark with ATI tool loaded.You dont need ATI tool running in the tray for your card to stay overclocked.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3033295

My athlon 2500 conks out at 200FSB, can pump in as much voltage as I want :/

Wish I had a nice mobile chip :(

Score: 5580 http://service.futuremark.com/images/orb/button_details.gif (http://service.futuremark.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb/projectdetails&projectType=10&projectId=3033295)http://service.futuremark.com/images/1x1pix.gif
Date: 2004-08-30
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 2174 MHz
GPU: ATI RADEON 9800 362 MHz / 327 MHz
OS: Microsoft Windows XP
Res: 1024x768@32 bit

Seven
30-08-04, 21:37
I should be getting at least as much as you, but I'm lower.
Maybe I'll try your driver version.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3031708


~ hmm, maybe the fact I'm not running the sound tests for some reason is making it lower...

Oh and I don't have the ATI tool in the sys tray, but if I load the tool before I launch the benchmark I get that error.

I have to launch the benchmark program first, then the tool and it works.
Some fucked up shit, but more concerned about not being able to run the sound tests and a lower score. :confused:

Dribble Joy
30-08-04, 21:51
3Dmark crashes my comp, it fails during the second CPU test.. :(

Seven
30-08-04, 22:29
3Dmark crashes my comp, it fails during the second CPU test.. :(

Try the FAQ's
http://service.futuremark.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/support/search&categoryid=9&category=GENERAL%20ISSUES&search=1

tkNukem
30-08-04, 23:22
just so you know, the cpu tests aren't neccessary to get a score. they don't affect the "marks" you recieve. it's only the first four tests that impact the score.

Seven
30-08-04, 23:34
This is better. :)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3035848

StrongSad
31-08-04, 02:18
Hmmm, all of these scores yet I have seen only TWO compare URLs.... :p

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2908202

Sexy new a64 and my nifty x800pro to x800xt-pe conversion. If it wasnt on stock air I would be well into 13k marks :D

teksu
31-08-04, 10:40
le sigh, 3dmark 2003 suxorz, they accept payment from card makers (ie nvidia) so that thoes cards get better marks. well they did at one point at least. no one that i know considers it to be a good test of hardware, and the companies reputation has been forever tarnished imho

Ryuben
31-08-04, 11:51
:)


:p

evs
31-08-04, 11:55
a bit of playing around and just over 14k on 3dmark2k3 and 79k in aquamark

6800 ultra & 3.2 p4 @ 4.4

tkNukem
31-08-04, 15:11
i beat you by 5 marks, ryuben!
6800 ultra w/ athlon64 3200+ tho.
i wish i could overclock the cpu ;/

Seven
31-08-04, 17:37
i wish i could overclock the cpu ;/


Doesn't matter, it scores your vid card.

GIJ0e
31-08-04, 18:27
a bit of playing around and just over 14k on 3dmark2k3 and 79k in aquamark

6800 ultra & 3.2 p4 @ 4.4

you're such a liar, you only have a ninja pc because your wang is tiny

:p

alig
31-08-04, 18:31
i beat you by 5 marks, ryuben!
6800 ultra w/ athlon64 3200+ tho.
i wish i could overclock the cpu ;/

He showed his vid card and it was a 9800XT so i think he was lying :p

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I get 9300~ with a x800pro/xp 2.6+ but then again, i dont need a 12k score because i dont play 3dmark2003.
:rolleyes:

tkNukem
31-08-04, 20:56
Doesn't matter, it scores your vid card.nah, i posted earlier in this thread about overclocking the cpu to 2.1 ghz i think it was. my score increased a few hundred; tho, the system wasn't very stable D:

Seven
31-08-04, 21:22
Yeah, I meant to say it "mostly" scores your vid card, but my Wife was asking me a gazillion questions at the time I wrote that. :rolleyes: :D

StrongSad
01-09-04, 00:18
where are all the compare urls?

This is funny.

Ryuben
01-09-04, 01:22
where are all the compare urls?

This is funny.

He showed his vid card and it was a 9800XT so i think he was lying :p

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I get 9300~ with a x800pro/xp 2.6+ but then again, i dont need a 12k score because i dont play 3dmark2003.
:rolleyes:


wtf i post a SS of it and get called a fibber :rolleyes:

Url = too fucking lazy to click buttons much easier to print screen copy paste jobs a good one :P

alig
01-09-04, 01:40
wtf i post a SS of it and get called a fibber :rolleyes:

Url = too fucking lazy to click buttons much easier to print screen copy paste jobs a good one :P

Well considering the 6800/x800 series of cards was the first ones to break the 10k mark on 3dmark2003 .... :rolleyes:

StrongSad
01-09-04, 02:00
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2811957

Ryuben.....

I highly doubt that you have your 9800xt clocked high enough to double my score.

What do ppl get out of lieing about a benchmark? :confused:

Ryuben
01-09-04, 02:03
Well considering the 6800/x800 series of cards was the first ones to break the 10k mark on 3dmark2003 .... :rolleyes:


lol BS just plain BS

and u know it

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2811957

Ryuben.....

I highly doubt that you have your 9800xt clocked high enough to double my score.

What do ppl get out of lieing about a benchmark? :confused:


*sigh* what rez u running at ??

as maybe jsut maybe its not the same as mine *gash* hence why i covered up half of them

StrongSad
01-09-04, 02:05
then give us a compare URL to your 9800xt that apparently did 12k

Ryuben
01-09-04, 02:11
then give us a compare URL to your 9800xt that apparently did 12k
ok ill do a new test and give u the url ffs

and his name is strong bad ffs

plague
01-09-04, 02:23
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2811957

Ryuben.....

I highly doubt that you have your 9800xt clocked high enough to double my score.

What do ppl get out of lieing about a benchmark? :confused:

well, er system not as good as rybens and u haven't run cpu tests, thats why u get shite score.....procc does influence alot on graphic performance, and this benchmark is no exaption...

Ryuben
01-09-04, 02:39
Pro ORB Registration
Unable to activate 3DMark03 Pro ORB features. Please check your registration code.



ffs

when this gets sorted i will psot a URL as ur just being child ish for not beliveing me

Seven
01-09-04, 05:51
@StrongSad, what type of cooling is on your 9800 pro?
That's some nice overclocking. :cool:

StrongSad
01-09-04, 08:17
and his name is strong bad ffs

and StrongBad's friend is named StrongSad. Hes the fat gray one.... gg.


well, er system not as good as rybens and u haven't run cpu tests, thats why u get shite score.....procc does influence alot on graphic performance, and this benchmark is no exaption...

How so? Running a cpu TEST effects your score in no way. You can run just the game tests and get a complete score. I will slap my 9800pro into my A64 system and run the bench. I will still get nothing close to 12k. Besides my cpu was clocked 300mhz higher than ryubens at the time I ran the test so I dont see your point.


what type of cooling is on your 9800 pro?

Just some custom air cooling. I took a amd heatsink and bolted it to the gpu. It used to be under a pelt. but that became a hassle. The real magic is done by the volt mod. It gave me 50 more mhz out of the core. :D

evs
01-09-04, 10:09
12k on a 9800xt does seem very very high - perhaps a glitch?

As an idea, do a search for the highest XT score on any system and it's a score of 10008, which coincidentally is the only 9800xt that's managed past 10k




3DMark Score: 10008 macci [www.akiba.fi] R9800XT+P4EE Muropaketin 3DMa...
User: macci@akiba-pc.com

Date: 2004-2-23
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 4298 MHz
GPU: ATI RADEON 9800 XT, 657 MHz / 471 MHz
Display Driver: 6.14.10.6422
Driver Status: WHQL - FM Approved

Resolution: 1024x768 32 bit
OS: Microsoft Windows XP
System Memory: 512 MB
Video Memory: 256 MB


I'd say that 2k3 has miscalculated your score - as its pretty much physically impossible for your gfx card to score that highly unless you have the gpu under a phase change system.



@strongsad

Hmmm, all of these scores yet I have seen only TWO compare URLs....

I blankly refuse to buy 3dmark2003, its a poor benchmark of rig performance.
And of course to compare - you have to purchase.

alig
01-09-04, 10:32
lol BS just plain BS

and u know it


No i dont know it. Proove it and then ill know it.

And evs searched and 10008 was the highest 9800XT to be benched and clocked at 657/471 which is pretty damn high so you'd need about 900/700 (at least) to get anywhere near 12k.

Its a fact you can't get a 9800XT close to an X800XT or 6800ultra and both them average about 12k in 3dmark2003. Well you probably could get them on par but their life expectancy would be ...oh...1 week.

StrongSad
01-09-04, 11:39
And of course to compare - you have to purchase.

No you dont....

http://www.futuremark.com/products/3dmark03/?proorb

You can publish 1 at a time. When the score is "published" it gives you a compare URL. No excuses!!! :p

bd*
01-09-04, 13:38
lol BS just plain BS

and u know it



*sigh* what rez u running at ??

as maybe jsut maybe its not the same as mine *gash* hence why i covered up half of them

12k has NEVER been done on a standard test on a 9x00 series. The highest is by Macci as posted above, just over 10k which includes extreme cooling and everything top of the line.

To get 12k on a 9800 XT you would need to run the benchmark at 320x240 or something, which is pointless as if we ran a 6800 or x800 at those settings wed probably be well into the 20ks, mabey even 30k.

And you arent able to publish your result as your running on an illegal registration key :rolleyes: Which just makes me further believe your running in a non standard res as you need the Pro version to change the resolution.

/edit\ his screenshot conviniently covers the box where you can see the test resolution, clearly he has run it in a lower resolution to artificialy inflate his score.

[TgR]KILLER
01-09-04, 14:38
on the comment that the box covers up the rest etc.. thats standard. look on the first page ^^

but whatever quit the flaming on ryu who cares if he says he got 12k nobody is gonna die if he dit or din't..

anyway my last test ( ran today ) http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3043570

tkNukem
01-09-04, 14:43
killer, you're making the 6800 class look bad!

[TgR]KILLER
01-09-04, 14:46
killer, you're making the 6800 class look bad!

just need a amd 64 but thats gonna take a year or 1.5 years ;) just got a new mobo aint buying new stuff comming year :p

evs
01-09-04, 19:04
I stand corrected re: posting up a compare

I suppose its down to my 'flavoured' version which cuts out the 5-10 mins of boring pointless tests to get one score which wont allow any uploads ;)

StrongSad
01-09-04, 19:34
killer, why is your fsb so loooooow?

R3C0!L
02-09-04, 00:04
At the Moment.

Im on AMD 3200xp

1Gb Corsair XMS3200

BFG 6800 Ultra OC

Score... 11715

[TgR]KILLER
02-09-04, 01:59
killer, why is your fsb so loooooow?

cause my cpu aint unlocked and i aint gonna fiddle with it so i can't change my MP.. my proc is just a amd 2200+ so its supposed to run @ 133 fsb. running stable @ 150 fsb if i put it higher it aint stable no more :/

plague
02-09-04, 02:33
KILLER']cause my cpu aint unlocked and i aint gonna fiddle with it so i can't change my MP.. my proc is just a amd 2200+ so its supposed to run @ 133 fsb. running stable @ 150 fsb if i put it higher it aint stable no more :/

try setting higher fsb and lower multiplyer, should be more stable ... or if er system crashed if do more that 150 fsb ....just crank multiplyer to like 15 :eek: ... with corect voltage and good cooling should be no problems :D

edit: oh on xp proccessors , u can't use pensil no more to overclocl them, gotta get special conductive sht....waiting for mine to araive after that 2100 xp gonna be runing at about 2100 - 2200 mhz lol.......

winnoc
02-09-04, 09:30
You can still unlock a xp amd chip without doing something to remove the laquer from the top of the chip.


Look up the multiplier pinmod.

All you do is get a strand of floppy disk powercable and bend it u shaped, then drop it in the socket of your cpu (special ones for certain multi's) slap in the cpu and voila.

I did the L12 mod on my chip too, as with my motherboard it makes you reach higher fsb's.
I've got two 2200+ chips left, but they are in ECS boards and they can't easily be voltage modded.

winnoc
08-09-04, 22:18
New MSI 6800-TD128 card running my amd 2500 mobile at 2300mhz (to be cooler than 2535mhz)

score: 8406

Still need to do some overclocking and some finetuning