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Benjie
25-08-04, 21:53
How about a thumbnail gallery of the luscious ladys in Pepper Park? Think of the advertisment prospects! We could link Neocron to those hentai and drawing freaks on porn sites. I bet if they thought they could interact with there babes in a virtual world they would join in no time!

:p

SilentEye
25-08-04, 21:56
It is not entertaining. And not, funny.

Benjie
25-08-04, 21:58
It is not entertaining. And not, funny.
Whats not? Hentai or my thread? It's ment to be neither. I'm god damn serious damnit! If nothing else it would at least get weirdo families to burn Neocron claiming it to be work of the devil. Thats good publicity.

Sex sells, and Neocron needs to sell.

SilentEye
25-08-04, 21:59
Who would look at images of ugly Pepperpark girls? If I'd want to see nude pictures I'd look for something prettyer.

So I think the idea stinks :s And isn't very entertaining, and it won't be funny! :cool:

Benjie
25-08-04, 22:00
Who would look at images of ugly Pepperpark girls? If I'd want to see nude pictures I'd look for something prettyer.

So I think the idea stinks :s And isn't very entertaining, and it won't be funny! :cool:
Who cares? It would be a publicity stunt. :rolleyes:

I think it would draw attentian to Neocron. At the moment nobodys even heard of it. Do something weird and origional like this and it may just make Neocron famous.

Opar
25-08-04, 22:02
No...

Benjie
25-08-04, 22:03
No...
No to free advertising?




Weird stuff sells: Fact.
Sex sells: Fact.
It's free: Fact.

-=Daz=-
25-08-04, 22:04
No...

cudnt put it betta myself

Benjie
25-08-04, 22:05
Ok you guys are boring.

I'm leaving this dumb thread.

Archeus
25-08-04, 22:06
Why don't we have shots of the pepper park ladies dressed up as racoons and elephants so we can get the Furry demographic as well.


I'm leaving this dumb thread.

Well you did start it.

Vid Gamer
25-08-04, 22:09
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Twitch
25-08-04, 22:10
Ok you guys are boring.

I'm leaving this dumb thread.

you now officially don't have the right to say that you flaunt your sexual preference because everybody else violently flaunts their heterosexuality around.

anyways the idea is pointless, why not advertise the actual decent things about the game like pvp and shit that matters, nobody's going to download a gb game and pay a monthly fee just to see a few strippers dance around in pepper when they can just load kazaa and download porno with a few clicks.

Benjie
25-08-04, 22:11
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Uh, just ban me already. [ edited ]

Spermy
25-08-04, 22:11
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Because the hate slot is already filled by flamers like you.

-Demon-
25-08-04, 22:12
Ok you guys are boring.

I'm leaving this dumb thread.

Ah thats better now where the party really begins!

Crap idea tbh but hey...nm Benjie.

Lets talk about something else..think I will post about something I'm doing this weekend.


Uh, just ban me already. [ edited ]

Do mods take personal requests? :lol:

Vid Gamer
25-08-04, 22:14
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Marx
25-08-04, 22:14
Sex sells, yes.

But you need to advertise the sex for the sex to sell...

Effort made to advertise sex, so that sex could sell.
vs.
Effort made to advertise the game on it's own... Seeing as sex is so obviously a central part of the game.

Benjie
25-08-04, 22:19
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Twitch
25-08-04, 22:29
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Marx
25-08-04, 22:29
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Breed further hostility and play the victim when it bites you in the ass. Trolling? Baiting? All the same, better off just ignoring this thread like you originally said you were going to.

Benjie
25-08-04, 22:34
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So? o_O
The reason I put this in my avatar in the first place was because people kept calling bad things gay. Everytime I told them I didn't like it they said Gay guys wouldn't mind. I wanted to make it clear that I did mind and put and end to that stupid argument.
I only announce it in posts when people seem to have a problem with it. Those people can suck my you know what.


Is your name some sort of anagram?

Benjie.... Ben jie ... = Bent je het?
My real name is Benjamine. Benjie is just short. Totally unoriginal I know, but to answer your question; no it's not an anagram.

--> Gay has many meanings: i) a bit naff
White trash used to be a racist phrase that described somebody who was white as being as lowely as a Black person. Times move on and people realise that the things that they say hurt people.

zii
25-08-04, 22:42
hmmm. Reading this as I lom my ppu to a HL touting blessed healing hybrid about to get nerfed by everyone. This thread passes the time.


Is your name some sort of anagram?

Benjie.... Ben jie ... = Bent je het?

( ...And I can't really speak Vlaams )

--> Gay has many meanings: i) a bit naff ii) homesexual iii) happy
Its all in context. However trying to give someone grief over their sexual preference is cruel. Its the same as bullying at school. Simply wrong, unless its in-game and used to goad people into a bit of pvp then its right :)

zii
25-08-04, 22:48
> Times move on and people realise that the things that they say hurt people.

Or tyhe meaning change. Such as wicked. Its meaning has almost completly reversed. My Gran uses it as 'something evil/ very bad' where as I use it as either 'something evil/ very bad' or something 'extreamly great', depending on to whom I speak to and the context. Language is intersting, innit.

(Wicked was not a great example in with regard to this thread)

SypH
25-08-04, 22:54
So as well as having l337 haxor kiddies and social misfits, you want KK to appeal to sexual weirdos? ;)

Pretty crappy idea imo since the gals in PP arent exactly appealing.

zii
25-08-04, 22:59
So as well as having l337 haxor kiddies and social misfits, you want KK to appeal to sexual weirdos? ;)

Pretty crappy idea imo since the gals in PP arent exactly appealing.


Shop sold melee item : The Sensuous Whip (sp?)

Marx
25-08-04, 23:00
White trash used to be a racist phrase that described somebody who was white as being as lowely as a Black person. Times move on and people realise that the things that they say hurt people.But you shouldn't be suprised at peoples lashings when you make yourself a target. If you thought that now is a great time to admit your sexual lifestyle, and that the forums for a game frequented by people who are generally troubled with those ideas (youths) is a great place... You are a bad judge, and in my opinion lack some necessary common sense.

I personally think that your title is in bad taste, as is any sexually questionable title or signature. It does nothing other than look unprofessional for those who work these forums, which in the end influences the view of potential players/workers/partners/etc.

Any person who disagrees with you, due to your absolutely lovable sense of when to fight and when to let something blowover, generally ends up arguing with you. They will use your self-labled sexual preference because it's an easy crutch to kick out, and it's a good crutch, because it obviously gets to you. Most people who play and argue on these forums are either juvenile, or mentally juvenile; such is to be expected. If you didn't see this - then you too are juvenile.

It's like saying - "Hay, I wore a KKK outfit to a NAACP rally, why'd I get beat up?"

Mumblyfish
25-08-04, 23:00
Come back Benjie! Yes, the cocks have invaded, but take shelter in the corner (like, down by the posting rules, maybe further) and they might not find you.

I LIKE the idea. Try to sell it off as a sleazy "FREE XXX CHEAP BLOWJOBS SEX.COM" type-website, with badly animated gifs and an extortionate members fee. I personally think it'd be hilarious... in fact, I might just go and do it myself.

And fuck the lot of ya's. Got no sense of humour.

[/gets to snapping screenshots]

Vid Gamer
25-08-04, 23:04
It's better than your oh so predictable Doom 3 title. :rolleyes:

No, not really. Like someone else suggested, maybe I should flaunt my heterosexual behavior. Why do you wave it around like it's some sort of status symbol. My guess is your just flat out gay.


I must have seen five other people with similar signatures.

My sig says my Doom 3 MP name, name 5 people on this forum that have it, please.


Location: PC? :rolleyes:

Now you're just grasping for straws, trying to make me look unoriginal yet you must realize I nor anyone else really gives a fuck.

Mumblyfish
25-08-04, 23:04
Actually, I just got round to reading past the first page.

I am really, really disappointed in you lot. Every time someone said the NC community sucked I'd defend it. What a fucking waste of time that was.

(Note: This isn't directed at everyone)

MrChumble
25-08-04, 23:05
Because the hate slot is already filled by flamers like you.
Indeed. Gimme Benjie over the flaming illiterate retards any day. Even if his idea is a bit crap :p

zii
25-08-04, 23:27
Marx hit the nail on the head though. I'm just above the mentallly juvenile mark to get it.

NS_CHROME54
25-08-04, 23:28
sorry benjie, even i can't agree with you here, i'm gonna have to say no.

Benjie
25-08-04, 23:33
Thanks guys for sticking up for me. It's good to know who my friends are. Maybe it was a badly thought out idea. I actually found the prospect of it amusing, and then wondered if it would draw any people to the game. Perhaps not.

Mumblyfish
25-08-04, 23:37
One thing I can't understand... if the strippers are such a bad, nasty, EVIL aspect of Neocron that would only scare people off, why haven't you all asked to have them removed from the game?

Opar
25-08-04, 23:38
As crap as the idea is (and it is ;)), nobody should use it to attack Benjies 'sexual preferences'. As a 14 year old, I personally dont think im mature enough to discuss peoples afore-mentioned 'sexual preferences', but I do know that whatever a persons sexual-orientation, it shoudn't be a reason to (pardon the french) take the piss.

Go play Doom 3, Vid Gamer.

Nidhogg
25-08-04, 23:41
Next off-topic post gets it closed for good.

N

ezza
26-08-04, 00:03
just to keep this shit on topic.

no, it just seems a pointless waste of KKs time to arse around doing something like this when like twitch says they could be showing PvP which should take more precidence over showing some bitches from PP who dont look good even by computer game chick standards

oh and since i posted on topic, a little off topic, but, Benjie by having that title its basically just a title for flame bate every time you post something.

Mumblyfish
26-08-04, 00:06
no, it just seems a pointless waste of KKs time to arse around doing something like this when like twitch says they could be showing PvP which should take more precidence over showing some bitches from PP who dont look good even by computer game chick standards
Remember... website design guy != Neocron development team. Unless he's busying away with coding the launcher. I assume all the web developer has to do is add to the Neocron website, so asking for little things like this ISN'T going to slow down development of Neocron at all.

And we've seen PvP a bazillion times.

ezza
26-08-04, 00:10
Remember... website design guy != Neocron development team. Unless he's busying away with coding the launcher. I assume all the web developer has to do is add to the Neocron website, so asking for little things like this ISN'T going to slow down development of Neocron at all.

And we've seen PvP a bazillion times.
we may have seen PvP before but its still the drawing point of the game(imo)

hookers in PP or DoY aint gonna get me interested in the game.

sure show some RP esq stuff but having a area for fugly whores who dance in a glass box all day aint gonna get the masses into this game


One thing I can't understand... if the strippers are such a bad, nasty, EVIL aspect of Neocron that would only scare people off, why haven't you all asked to have them removed from the game? well they are fun to have, you know you walk by and sex them for a laugh, or my personal favourite, moon striker the hoes on to there backs :D

Marx
26-08-04, 00:14
And we've seen PvP a bazillion times.And we've seen hookers and sex. Most people see hookers and sex - hell, the number one use for the internet is surfing for porn...

I agree with Ezza, although entertaining for current players, it wouldn't serve as a decent catalyst for recruiting and retention. There are much prettier player models out in other games, there are much prettier women in the real world. The true selling point for Neocron is it's playstyle, not it's content. If it was the other way around, events of old would've been more than a simple "SPAWNING X AT LOCATION Y, ANNOUNCE: 'OH NO, X HAS APPEARED AT Y'".

Quite honestly, I wouldn't feel clean playing alongside a dude who found out about the game and joined based on porn... That's just kind of... Disturbing.

garyu69
26-08-04, 00:19
Basically its like saying lets have a site dedicated to the joys of the Drom, with random sexing.

Entertaining to the current community but to the people out there that KK so need to drag in they will be like O_o screw this shit and go somewhere else.

Mumblyfish
26-08-04, 00:19
You misunderstand. This isn't about making PORN. That would be crap. I was thinking of a humorous role-play tool more than anything.

NS_CHROME54
26-08-04, 00:21
hell, the number one use for the internet is surfing for porn...

well, that at least guarentees traffic :\

Marx
26-08-04, 00:24
well, that at least guarentees traffic :\I don't think a dude in the middle of polishing one off will stop and go "Hay, this looks like a cool game, maybe I should play it - IT HAS STRIPPERS TOO!".

He'll say "Fuck" smash the back button and try the next search result before his essence withers away.

Just to reiterate, if someone did stop and say "blah blah blah"... I most certainly wouldn't enjoy playing with him. Especially if he (possibly but doubtably she) informs me as to how he started playing.

Shadow Dancer
26-08-04, 00:24
It's really not a big deal. I just don't think it would do much to attract players. They would probably just think "lol" or "cool". But I doubt they would say "omfg I am soooo getting this game" based on a few polygons.

NS_CHROME54
26-08-04, 00:30
I don't think a dude in the middle of polishing one off will stop and go "Hay, this looks like a cool game, maybe I should play it - IT HAS STRIPPERS TOO!".

He'll say "Fuck" smash the back button and try the next search result before his essence withers away.

Just to reiterate, if someone did stop and say "blah blah blah"... I most certainly wouldn't enjoy playing with him. Especially if he (possibly but doubtably she) informs me as to how he started playing.

never, ever underestimate the horniness/nerdiness combination some ppl have. a game with strippers, even bad ones, could just be too much for a 13 year old loser to resist.

Benjie
26-08-04, 00:32
You misunderstand. This isn't about making PORN. That would be crap. I was thinking of a humorous role-play tool more than anything.
Precisely.
A publicity stunt that flaunts the adult nature of the game.

Do not forget that Reakktor have remodeled there strippers either.

Marx
26-08-04, 00:35
never, ever underestimate the horniness/nerdiness combination some ppl have. a game with strippers, even bad ones, could just be too much for a 13 year old loser to resist.Maybe back in the day when most people had to smuggle porn home or stay up late after their parents went to bed to watch skinimax (cinemax, lol). But nowdays you can get better quality and qauntities of porn with a simple google search. If you have the internet, you got your porno IV.

It's bad enough that people drawn in through this idea would have done so while mid-or near masturbation. But the fact that we'd get the social recluses of those masturbaters... That would be something even worse!


Precisely.
A publicity stunt that flaunts the adult nature of the game.

Do not forget that Reakktor have remodeled there strippers either.Once again, something that current players would appreciate. It however, would leave everyone else confused or non-caring.

"Strippers? WTF, hahaha."

Benjie
26-08-04, 00:39
Once again, something that current players would appreciate. It however, would leave everyone else confused or non-caring.
I believe that it would push the bar in good taste. While every other mmorpg features knights fighting dragons, Neocron would have it's very own virtual porn site. You forget how sensetive to nudity some people are, especially in the USA.
Neocron was voted as one of the sexiest all time games in one magazine, proof that this element of Neocron has flaunted it in the past.

G.0.D.
26-08-04, 00:44
http://www.g0dsoft.com/pcg3.jpg

http://www.g0dsoft.com/pcg4.jpg

Benjie
26-08-04, 00:46
Is #2's developer called Black Dragon or is that just me?
Anyway, thats my point basicly. A publicity stunt.

Marx
26-08-04, 00:49
I believe that it would push the bar in good taste. While every other mmorpg features knights fighting dragons, Neocron would have it's very own virtual porn site. You forget how sensetive to nudity some people are, especially in the USA.
Neocron was voted as one of the sexiest all time games in one magazine, proof that this element of Neocron has flaunted it in the past.It was voted sexy because of the ideas behind it, not necessarily the presentation. Name any other game which has strippers and prostitutes?

Personally? I think it would be viewed as a gag by current players... And largely unused... And unless one of these was pulled with the keywords:


clit king pussy anal pictures TGP movies bitch butt big tit silicone tit teen lube interracial latina busty bra panties lingerie slut skank whore peter north vagina pussy deepthroat deep throat scat juice push rough sex vaginal pornstar pr0n titties natural fisting asian blonde brunette redhead mature old bi lesbian beads dildo suck cock cum sperm masturbate ebony BBW honey stripper prostitute horny hot.... (continues to list any word which can somehow be associated with porn or sex)Then we wouldn't get nearly as many hits as you think. Just about every porn site has something akin to this, with lists that probably go into pages.

If it was done, I think it would create some interesting possibilities for further jabs.

My bet is it would be largely unused, and therefore not worth the bother.

Benjie
26-08-04, 00:54
It was voted sexy because of the ideas behind it, not necessarily the presentation. Name any other game which has strippers and prostitutes?

Personally? I think it would be viewed as a gag by current players... And largely unused... And unless one of these was pulled with the keywords:

Then we wouldn't get nearly as many hits as you think. Just about every porn site has something akin to this, with lists that probably go into pages.

If it was done, I think it would create some interesting possibilities for further jabs.

My bet is it would be largely unused, and therefore not worth the bother.

I get the impression that magazines and reviewers would pick up on it, using it to describe Neocrons world as an adult one. It would be good for word of mouth too. Forum links to Neocrons porn-page for laughs, a few people becoming interested at the thought of an adult universe instead of an everquest one.

I see it as a usefull tool in converting fantasy mmorpg gamers to a more adult world.

Rade
26-08-04, 00:54
You can never lose with pr0n.




Other than that, sex marx, I still think you're an idiot most of the time but
sometimes you have a way of really hitting the nail.

Marx
26-08-04, 00:58
I get the impression that magazines and reviewers would pick up on it, using it to describe Neocrons world as an adult one. It would be good for word of mouth too. Forum links to Neocrons porn-page for laughs, a few people becoming interested at the thought of an adult universe instead of an everquest one.

I see it as a usefull tool in converting fantasy mmorpg gamers to a more adult world.Adult themes for the most part don't attract adults. It attracts younger folk trying to play at, or enjoy the adult themes. Especially adult themes revolving around sex and violence.

Games are for kids, either physically or at heart. Lets not forget that.


Other than that, sex marx, I still think you're an idiot most of the time but
sometimes you have a way of really hitting the nail.
It's ok, I had subway for lunch. <3

seraphian
26-08-04, 00:59
Sex sells: Fact.



not so, recent market research shows (done at Yale I belive...) shows that, while a sexy may generate interest in the product it does not generate sales increases nessisarily.

Now for computer games like NC, which are by definition a niche market, the same thing may not apply, because I'd give 10 to 1 odds the 'family values' fundie types aren't playing NC anyway, but the study says that other advertising is more effective.

2: I've tended to notice that the more a game puts girls with big, um... polygons, on the cover and in the promo material, the shittier it tends to be. What impresses people about a game more is good shots showing off gameplay, the GUI, cool concept art, ect.

A shot of the concept art for a gimmy would excite me for the game more than a picture of a naked/scantily clad woman/man. Becuase the naked girls are just window dressing, the grimmy is something I'll be playing with far more often (at least until the strippers give good XP and rareparts :p)

CkVega
26-08-04, 01:11
You still need some kind of gimmick to draw people in in the first place, be it sex, violence or whatever. Advertising Neocron as "A game with shooting and leveling and OPs and stuff" won't draw many people in as they are more likely going to look at the higher profile games (thats if they can be drawn into the whole pay per month to play type of game).

As others have said, Neocrons biggest gimmick is the uncensored adult content (not just the sex) that you wouldn't find in a million years comming from the likes of SOE or whoever. The "not for kids" aspects of the game does make Neocron stand out from the crowd (or it would if anyone knew what Neocron was).

erm, I'm sure there was a point to what I just posted... I can't for the life of me remember what it was... oh well.

manderf
26-08-04, 01:37
wow i would just flame this thread but i dont wanna get permi ban :).

the first time i played nc i thought the whole stripper thing was cool but i hated the game and it felt really slow, so i stopped. People are not gonna pay 10 dollars a month just to look at strippers do the same dance moves over and over again. I mean if i was chokin in the goblin and some stupid game add flashed infront of the screen i would just close the window hella fast and get back down to business.

oh and btw wtf how is my sig to high. God dammit its already to pixialted and shitty dont make me size it down even more.

tomparadox
26-08-04, 04:15
dude you must be bord... is DoY geting boring or something O_o



Sex sells: Fact.
Yes, sex sells, but not 3d models that have boobs in the shape of a street cone in an almost all brick red background and fenced off in a windowed room...

-REMUS-
26-08-04, 04:59
you now officially don't have the right to say that you flaunt your sexual preference because everybody else violently flaunts their heterosexuality around.

anyways the idea is pointless, why not advertise the actual decent things about the game like pvp and shit that matters, nobody's going to download a gb game and pay a monthly fee just to see a few strippers dance around in pepper when they can just load kazaa and download porno with a few clicks.

WTF in this day and age people can still have a problem with some one's sexuality. I think its as bad as racism, flaunting it? Its not as if he goes around bragging about how many guys he has banged or what ever else you would call "flaunting".

Or is his fucking avatar and the "bi-sexual" sock to much for you to handle twitch?

As for the idea, it might be a good company made sort of sub official site. But would it add to the realism? After all its not in-game but it could have RP elements, like a TS porn site or somthing.

It would be a good publicity stunt for media attention, BUT I dont know if it would recieve good press. And may cause Neocrons rateing to go up to 15+ or somthing (maybe higher) but then again they let manhunt out on the high street!


I think *some* of you guys need to take a reality check btw.

Vid Gamer
26-08-04, 05:05
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Benjie
26-08-04, 05:07
[ edited ]I don't know where you live or if you know this, but in certain parts of America lots of people have a big problem with sex and nudity. Taking all of Neocrons nudity and cramming onto one site, and then selling it to those peoples children with cause them to express there disgust.

It's called free marketing. MMORPG's are already a controversial subject with lots of people. Doing this will push Neocron into the foreground.

Tostino
26-08-04, 05:13
[ edited ]Keep your opinion to your self...
O yea i like the idea too :angel:

Glok
26-08-04, 05:15
Sure. Make Neocron notorious! :D

manderf
26-08-04, 05:24
wow this threads retarted. I dont think anyone should be shot but seriously wtf, and i cant believe your defending benjies bisexual avatar. Its not like everyone put under theres. HETEROSEXUAL, dude benjie you really need to vent somewhere else and go be a rebel in the "real world." This is not a sexual identity forum and who fucking cares of people have sigs with a womans ass, if that shit affects you, grow up. I didnt mind most of your posts in the past, but lately you've been getting on my nerves. All the kk lovey dovey posts, its like you can discuss what they do dont protect them to the bitter end. Its not kk versus the community.

Drake6k
26-08-04, 05:29
5 stars ,this is seriously the best idea ever.

manderf
26-08-04, 05:34
5 stars ,this is seriously the best idea ever.
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Birkoff
26-08-04, 05:41
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Tostino
26-08-04, 05:51
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NS_CHROME54
26-08-04, 05:56
alright i'm going to make myself perfectly clear.

i'm not really that comfortable with homo/bisexuality. does benjie know this? yeah, he does, because I told him. does my discomfort keep us from regularly having highly cerebral, highly intellectual, philosophically-oriented discussions on a regular basis? not one bit. anyone who calls benjie a moron is seriously uninformed. if you've ever had a real chat with him, you know he is a very, VERY good thinker. he (almost) always comes to a conclusion based on reasoning, and not impulse. his reasoning for the idea: "hmm strippers in a videogame, why don't we kill two birds with one stone and attract them both HERE." i don't agree with the actual end-product the idea would create, but that's just me. as far as being productive, it's a fairly sound idea.

and i suggest anyone who's bashing Benjie's bisexuality, just stop now. you look foolish, honestly.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
- Jesus

Etirann
26-08-04, 05:58
I'm wondering how many people would actually post on the idea and not flame were thread this not started by Benjie. :rolleyes:
I kinda like the idea, I don't see any harm anyway--It could be really funny. :p

Vid Gamer
26-08-04, 06:00
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manderf
26-08-04, 06:01
I'm wondering how many people would actually post on the idea and not flame were thread this not started by Benjie. :rolleyes:
I kinda like the idea, I don't see any harm anyway--It could be really funny. :p

time and money.........

NS_CHROME54
26-08-04, 06:01
I'm wondering how many people would actually post on the idea and not flame were thread this not started by Benjie.

obviously some ppl let their insecurities about things they aren't comfortable with get the better of them. well put. :)

the problem here is not people refuting benjie's idea, the problem here is people being malicious and attacking benjie for something that, frankly, doesn't relate to the idea at all.

Vithar
26-08-04, 06:44
You were warned!

Thread closed.

V