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:lol: thats about all i got to say about them. what i would like to know is why do you have to give them all the stuff they want like social security number, and why do they have to have a phone number to call you? and they also run a credit check on you o_O , if this is where ill have to pay to play this game i wont be playing because i will not give them all that or have them do a credit check on me seeings as i have no credit to check!!! and the bad thing is i was just starting to have fun on the game PLEASE DONT NOT GO TO CLICK2PAY!!! :(
uh, I do not give my ssn to anyone :)
the more i see about click2pay the less i like it.
What kinda fucked up company needs your social security number,passport,credit check and every thing else ive heard they need.
That is utter bs with all the identity theft nowadays its bad enough just giving a credit card number out let alone the keys to your identity.
Garg [RogueNET]
13-08-04, 04:41
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i didnt care about the item wipe or anything else but when i went to click2pay i thought to myself why would i give them all that info just to play a game???? O_o i really hope there will be another way to pay.
Dribble Joy
13-08-04, 04:50
This is the only issue I have, why can I not continue to use my debit card? O_o
yep the item wipe sucks but it didnt make me think oh imma quit.
This click2pay if the actually want all the info i heard they want can shove it up there asses cause they can take my money but hell no they dont get any of my identity info.FUCK THAT!!!!!
edit: only 3 places get my ssn a bank,goverment,and employers
Garg [RogueNET]
13-08-04, 04:52
this is the reason i quit, i dont care bout item wipe, i have enuff slots to get everythin important with me. but fuck this im never going to do this
my problem is i dont even know if they take a pre-paid credit card and all the stuff i listed above
Ummm, I didnt think anyone actually gave real information to such sites.
Phone 9999 9999
Name Mr Grabitan Poppov
Social Security No. 99 999 9999
(we dont even fucken have em in Australia anyway)
Only thing i put as real on the internet in my credit card number & even that is a seperate card i only use for the internet.
So in summary, the number 9 is your friend & yes, such sites do sell your information for profit to advertising companies etc. o_O
sanityislost
13-08-04, 04:55
i wouldnt mind giving the info.....but i dont have a passport :/
SiL ..:..
Garg [RogueNET]
13-08-04, 04:57
anyone thought about ppl who do not wish to do this way and cant update their accts until they get a new system.. theyll get all their chars wiped prolly
I dont mind the payment increases either.But to have to give away that much personal info just to play a game fuck that.And they dont support payments for some of the current players.What kind of company makes its so their costomers cant continue paying
Pls consider a alternative method of payment.
but they really have to call you from what it says on the site to make sure you are you :lol: and if you do the 999 thing which i do alot you wont get an account throught them. i dont have a passport either oh well
anyone thought about ppl who do not wish to do this way and cant update their accts until they get a new system.. theyll get all their chars wiped prolly
I doubt KK would wipe people characters if they had another way to pay.I'm sure the same rules would apply to all payment methods.
Garg [RogueNET]
13-08-04, 05:03
To be able to do the account upgrade, a player has to be the rightful owner of a Neocron 1 account. In general, any existing account may be used for the update. However, we can not guarantee that the data of accounts that have been canceled for more than 3 months will still be intact.
...........
lol ok you got me on that if it took KK more than 3 months to add a alternative payment method.
Garg [RogueNET]
13-08-04, 05:11
"if" its KK comeon... the mission bug on saturn has been there what? 1, 2 months now.. 3 months is easy gonna pass before KK does shit they dont care if ppl loose their chars
click2play im not gonna give them my personal info, why the do they need it? every other mmorpg i have ever played never asked for that.
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No comment on the come on its KK comment for me.
The way I look at it KK has a new driver in the driver seat,to go along with their new game.So for now they have a clean slate for me.Despite what they have done in the past either good or bad.Most of you that have been around awhile can make that judgement yourself.
edit: hmmm seems they only need a SSN for registration.Still not something I really wanna give out.So still going with asking for a alternative payment method.
Aside from the fact I won't give them that much personal info, they don't even want it.. coz I'm from The Netherlands. They don't support my country yet.
And btw.. I kinda like this line:
"CLICK2PAY never sells your personal information to third parties or forwards your data without your consent."
So be sure to read the small print. :p
Same here Dim. I have mailed click2pay. I suspect KK is too busy with other issues to comment on the payment catastrophe :/
We had several problems with stolen credit card numbers and faked personal info in the past. Click2Pay uses different methods to check the identity of the shopper depending on the country.
they should accept visa, mastercard and jcb worldwide, visa electron, visa delta and laser from the united states and switch, solo from UK.
we will also accept carte bancaire and carte bleue from france but i don't know if we get that directly from release.
there are no plans to use a different payment provider right now.
So basically.. those ppl that do not live in the Click2pay supported countries are screwed?
Here's the, very swift which surprised me, reply I got from Click2Pay on my question if countries other than listed on the site will be serviced by them in the near future.
I'ts not really the answer I was hoping for, but I'ts an answer. I gather from the way my Outlook header got converted click2pay actually is a German company as well, which would explain why KK wants to do business with them rather than Worldpay.
Dear Mr ******,
yes, you are right that we are not yet providing our service to these areas of
Europe. However we are expanding rapdily all over the world and I am almost
positive it will be soon or later available in the mentioned Countries below. I
will contact our management team for you and I will ask them if there are any plans in the near future to expand in those countries.
Kind Regards
Robert Campbell
CLICK2PAY Service Team
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von:
Gesendet: Fr 13.08.2004 09:27
An: Click2Pay Service
Cc:
Betreff: Neocron Payment solutions
Hello,
It has come to my understanding that Click2Pay will be providing payment
solutions for the game Neocron2 by Reakktor.
At the moment registering with Click2Pay isn't possible for ppl from The
Netherlands, Belgium and the whole of Skandinavia.
Will you be offering payment solutions for those countries anytime soon? If
not, is there another solution for this?
Thank you in advance,
Kind Regards,
*******
Just tried to sign up for a Click2Pay account to verify that they require SIN number... yep they do.
Organizations in and outside government ask for the SIN because it is a simple method of identification. Many use it as a client account number to save them from setting up their own numbering systems.
Although only certain government departments and programs are authorized to collect and use the SIN, there is no legislation that prohibits organizations asking for it.
HOWEVER: Canadian law for the private sector:
This means that unless an organization can demonstrate that your SIN is required by law, or that no alternative identifier would suffice to complete the transaction, you cannot be denied a product or service on the grounds of your refusal to provide your SIN.
I'm going to be reporting this.
Actually we're on the phone with them right now, me and Mr. Parker
Yes, I'd like that answered too.
Now most of the things people complain about I hate, but this I understand.
Really is complete bullshit that you have to give your SIN and how they PHONE you to verify. I'd rather not have click2pay phone me thanks. Why does it matter? What do they care who you are? Most places just care that money comes from your account into theirs. End of transaction.
Stupid shit it is.
"Will soon or later be available"
How soon or how late?
Sounds like a KK promise :p
Damn that takes the piss like looks like a very crappy company I would have thought some payment system would almost be global O_o
Richard Slade
13-08-04, 10:34
I'm just curious: Wtf's wrong with PayPal?
[edited for consistency - Dim]
Oh and I still want an answer to my question..
No Idea, I'd love to use Paypal, I have used it for 3 years playing Jumpgate and it worked like a charm.
Yeah, why go and change to one that doesn't even support all the european countries?
DaFire posted in the other thread they chose for Click2Pay because they offer better validation options.
Richard Slade
13-08-04, 10:39
DaFire posted in the other thread they chose for Click2Pay because they offer better validation options.
But not enough countries instead
"Oohh we get security... In Germany"
didn't see that one coming...
I corrected my first post about the law and that, I typed it too quickly and it wasn't accurate. I've now directly quoted from government fact sheets/websites.
We just spoke to them. The representative said they do EXTENSIVE back ground checks (up to the point of verifying with past wives to make sure who you are! that's the example the rep used!) but he said your SIN is erased once it's done.
Who cares? To me, that sounds like even LESS reason to trust them. Oh, we erase your SIN, we're not responsible! Except for that employee saving thousands of SIN numbers up for use in 10 years.
The rep also said this security is due to them being used for lots of on-line casinos. Well NC isn't a fuckin casino!
They also sad that because they are a german based company, they're not bound by Canadian law. I thought - researching now - that if a company is provding service to someone outside that country, they are bound by that countries laws as well.. For example, Mr. Parker telemarkets to the U.S.A. and they are bound by many american laws.
What's the scoop in germany's privacy laws?
Richard Slade
13-08-04, 10:46
Not to be like that, but what's a SIN number?
All I got is my birthdate and the four last digits..
It's all I've ever had to verify myself..
But not enough countries instead
"Oohh we get security... In Germany"
didn't see that one coming...
Yes and they are German based too. Why just not limit Neocron Access to German IP's only and get it over with???
whats wrong with paypal? they are a really shit service. In the US there is a class action lawsuit pending on them due to them screwing people over.
Something about letting porn sites charge you even though you never made purchases through certain... services.
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guys dont be ignorant and close minded. there isnt some conspiracy which makes KK choose a german company.
You all have no idea how to run a company so kindly http://e.deviantart.com/emoticons/s/stfu.gif!!
if i had a american based company that dealt with E-Commerce i would go for something i trusted and knew best about... American based. So quit being so damn judgemental. Get a credit card or a hybrid debit card. Damn, i cant believe how ignorant and biased some of you are.
Germans are good people.
Richard Slade
13-08-04, 10:48
whats wrong with paypal? they are a really shit service. In the US there is a class action lawsuit pending on them due to them screwing people over.
Something about letting porn sites charge you even though you never made purchases through certain... services.
Was just asking,, I dunno what's up with them
But YES why not just fuck it and go German IP only, problem solved.
OR you guys at KK COULD give some love to the rest of us...
oh, in Canada it's called a SIN (Social Insurance Number), not a Social Security Number.
Richard Slade
13-08-04, 10:50
oh, in Canada it's called a SIN (Social Insurance Number), not a Social Security Number.
And that's your birthdate with +4 numbers, or what?
I've tried using those 4 digits on other services, and since I'm from finland, somehow I could never get it to work... just said that the number was invalid :wtf:
Probably someone else that has the same number then...
Second thing, I used my dads credit card for the payments, so they'd have to phone him, not me, and I couldn't use my own name and so on... If they'd gone with paypal, I could at least have had him use his paypal account to pay...
(My visa electron doesn't work to pay with over the net, the bank has that kind of service disabled, and I think they won't even enable it if you ask them to... sucks)
Nope... it's random or patternistically random.. mine doesn't contain anything as to my birth date.
And it's 9 digits long.. birthdate +4 would be an even number... heh
Ok, I can't quote it here, since I believe PM's are private and should remain as such. But I PM'd someone from KK and he replied that apparently at release worldwide credit card payments will be possible, but he needed to check up on that.
I guess we'll have to wait for an official reply, since i'm still not releasing all my personal info to play a game.
DaFire posted it in the other thread
Well....great.
"Please have your passport number"
I don't have a passport, so no passport number. Looks like I'll not be moving my accounts to NC2 after all.
Thanks KK, nothing like breaking a system that already worked :mad:
In the US you are not required to give a SS number to a non-government organisation. In fact if they demand it they can get in trouble. When I was living in the US I had a company ask me for my SS number, when I said your not allowed have it they started getting panicky and told me just to give them any number.
So basically.. those ppl that do not live in the Click2pay supported countries are screwed?
Aye! very much so.
Yay for us Australians.
Fucking german companies, i swear! they try to put out a global service, this includes KK.... but then they might as well be saying "fuck you guys for not being german" by thier actions.....
My informations are that we will have worldwide credit card support from release. I'll phone our contact @ click2pay and will post more information later.
however if click2pay can't serve all countries there most likely will be an alterantive
Richard Slade
13-08-04, 10:54
Nope... it's random or patternistically random.. mine doesn't contain anything as to my birth date.
And it's 9 digits long.. birthdate +4 would be an even number... heh
Then how the hell is that gonna work when us Scandinavians ain't got no 9 digit number?!
Aye! very much so.
Yay for us Australians.
and people in Ireland.. unfukin believable. So I can't play NC2?
My informations are that we will have worldwide credit card support from release. I'll phone our contact @ click2pay and will post more information later.
however if click2pay can't serve all countries there most likely will be an alterantive
HAHAHA i like that, most likely.... once again, "if we germans are fine and can do it, screw the rest of you".
So quit being so damn judgemental. Get a credit card or a hybrid debit card. Damn, i cant believe how ignorant and biased some of you are.
*goes out the door and gets a cc.. gets back at home.. goes to click2pay site.. starts signing up.. oh wait.. click2pay doesn't support payments from my country.*
Passports are kinda expensive... and they take time to get... and I don't have one...
however if click2pay can't serve all countries there most likely will be an alterantive
That's encouraging, but shouldn't little details :rolleyes: like that have been considered already?
And can I charge KK for the cost of getting a passport I don't need just so I can pay for your service? I can run 4 accounts for 3 months for the price of a new passport :mad:
as long as you do online transactions over https over http you should be pretty well secured.
*goes out the door and gets a cc.. gets back at home.. goes to click2pay site.. starts signing up.. oh wait.. click2pay doesn't support payments from my country.*
get a major credit card or get a debit (hybrid) card that supports a major credit agency
IE visa
mastercard
eurocard
etc
come on guys surely you have better sense than this. i dont even use click2pay. i use a major credit card.
Webshock, that's not the problem, now is it?
We can't use the service AT ALL, because they need certain info whatever card you use... certain info that we DON'T HAVE... :rolleyes:
awkward silence
13-08-04, 11:06
I wonder if bank transfer will be available in NC2 since i dont use credit cards for security reasons. Apparently debit cards (visa electron) are not an option?
answers from the staff...i know not to expect em but im askin anyway.
whats the problem then?
click2pay is an option for people in germany and other places that this service supports. other than that, the other payment options are with a major credit card.
you are right, what IS the problem here?
/set whine_thread 0
When I start signing up it gives me a nice message saying:
"You are using an IP address which indicates that you are not located in the United States, the United Kingdom, Italy, Switzerland, Canada, South Africa, France, Austria or Germany."
Consumer signup at Click2Pay is currently limited to those countries, but will be available for other countries soon™..."
Edit: In the country where I'm from it's not that common to have a credit card, especially when you don't have a full time job yet.
My informations are that we will have worldwide credit card support from release. I'll phone our contact @ click2pay and will post more information later.
however if click2pay can't serve all countries there most likely will be an alterantive
just fucking use paypal
it does everything you need is fast easy most people have pp accounts and its secured and bound by us international and uk laws making it the most stable and powerfull payment solution out side of worldpay
Richard Slade
13-08-04, 11:08
whats the problem then?
click2pay is an option for people in germany and other places that this service supports. other than that, the other payment options are with a major credit card.
you are right, what IS the problem here?
/set whine_thread 0
Well. FIRST of all, they check your IP, not in the right country, no signing, GREAT, that's not a problem I suppose, of course not
SECOND, they demand your SIN (SSN) number
GREAT, cuz half of us ain't even got any SIN!
But that's not a problem, of course not
Webshock, they said there MIGHT be other payment methods... from what the planfile said, there was going to be one, Click2pay, which would handle ALL credit card payments... Click2Pay would be a NECESSITY, not an option... and if they do that, half the current population CAN'T play even if they want to....
@Webshock,
I use Visa. Atm I pay thru worldpay. I can only gather I will pay thru Clik2Pay which currently is impossible AND which I will not surrender all my personal info to.
I agree that Germans are ok ppl. I'm not argueing that. I am however, very annoyed with all concerning NC2 seems to be very, overly German biased at the moment.
Which will probably be a misperception on my part. This, however does not change the fact that it's annoying me. Then again, I probably shouldn't post when annoyed.....
:|
The field for entering your SIN isn't specifically set for 9 digits. If your country uses 8, and they support you country, I don't think there will be a problem.
Parker and me are sitting here chatting with the reps and stuff now, because Parker didn't care about giving his SIN so he tried to sign up but the fuckin thing doesn't work.
Find a new one, KK.
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guys dont be ignorant and close minded. there isnt some conspiracy which makes KK choose a german company.
Not to sound racist here, but if you have ever known a german people (ive known a few) they tend to do things like that, if you arent "one of them" they would rather not deal with you, and if you have a problem with any of it "you can go fuck yourself".
Basic german attitude... but hey, not everyone fits the stereotype, but KK seems to.
I wonder if bank transfer will be available in NC2 since i dont use credit cards for security reasons. Apparently debit cards (visa electron) are not an option?
answers from the staff...i know not to expect em but im askin anyway.
Check the other click2pay thread
Not to sound racist here, but if you have ever known a german people (ive known a few) they tend to do things like that, if you arent "one of them" they would rather not deal with you, and if you have a problem with any of it "you can go fuck yourself".
Basic german attitude... but hey, not everyone fits the stereotype, but KK seems to.
exactly... I have to deal with them all summer, because they come visit our beloved finland... and this is exactly what they're like :D
Richard Slade
13-08-04, 11:17
exactly... I have to deal with them all summer, because they come visit our beloved finland... and this is exactly what they're like :D
Try living in the southern parts of Sweden (Ystad, THE tourist resort for Germans, Polish and Danish)
I can tell that it's true among many,
also I can say it's true among the French too.
The most fun thing about these two in particular is that many first of all don't know English, second is that they expect YOU to know their language.. :/
Hehe, I have a horrid story from this summer that actually involved some germans, but imo it's too sick even for this forum... was kinda funny though :D
Ok.. I just phoned with click2pay and I have 2 small updated for you right now:
1. Click2pay will support all countries (execept some countries like irak and sudan (list will follow)) till the end of this month.
2. The Click2pay registration on the click2pay site differs from the registration which is included in the neocron2 account creation. e.g. there you don't need a passport number in uk and i think there will be no phone callbacks.
By the way, I noticed something else.
"During your registration, CLICK2PAY validates all your personal entries and requests further information about your personal credit history from third party agencies."
This means that if they expand here to Sweden, they will probably end up quering a Swedish agency called the "Information central". Here all your credit history is stored, if you've been naughty with payments etc.
This registry is very handy for banks and institutions when you for example want to apply for a loan.
HOWEVER, each time you even make a query this is REGISTERED and visible for everyone that makes an inquiry after this.
It has become common practise that if you have too many of these inquiries resitered in a specific period of time you are denied loans and other credit based services.
I deepheartedly hope that you will have a good credit card option available without having to register like this.
I am not going to give out anything else besided my CC number, my CC security code and my address.
Paying for a montly MMORPG is not some online store where you purchase stuff for thousands of dollars :)
EDIT: Just noticed DaFire's post. Thanks, I feel much better :) :)
Ok.. I just phoned with click2pay and I have 2 small updated for you right now:
1. Click2pay will support all countries (execept some countries like irak and sudan (list will follow)) till the end of this month.
2. The Click2pay registration on the click2pay site differs from the registration which is included in the neocron2 account creation. e.g. there you don't need a passport number in uk and i think there will be no phone callbacks.
Hugs n kisses :angel:
The Ottoman
13-08-04, 11:27
Ok.. I just phoned with click2pay and I have 2 small updated for you right now:
1. Click2pay will support all countries (execept some countries like irak and sudan (list will follow)) till the end of this month.
2. The Click2pay registration on the click2pay site differs from the registration which is included in the neocron2 account creation. e.g. there you don't need a passport number in uk and i think there will be no phone callbacks.
What about next month and after that?
But ppl will still have to give out their SIN/SSN?
What about next month and after that?
I think it's a safe bet that that was a typo, and meant by the end of this month.
yeah .. I meant they will add support for all countries till the end of this month.
I'm currently waiting to be contacted by someone in Click2Pay's management team in Münich. I suspect he will tell me the same :D
Thanks DaFire.
yeah .. I meant they will add support for all countries till the end of this month.
He means: They will be adding support for all countries till the end of this month. So after the end of this month all countries will be supported.
He means: They will be adding support for all countries till the end of this month. So after the end of this month all countries will be supported.
Or "All countries will be supported by the end of the month." Crazy germans :p
*implodes in a cloud of dictionary debree*
Or "All countries will be supported by the end of the month." Crazy germans :p
Aye, 4 people just repeated the same "wrong" thing LOL
go chumble for finally working it all out :P
*implodes in a cloud of dictionary debree*
Just to clarify he meant grammar.
...What? :D
I basically explained it too.. though the first sentence in my post is a little confusing again :rolleyes:
But ppl will still have to give out their SIN/SSN?
I can't say for sure yet. Disabling that check just for neocron wouldn't be trivial and since we are doing debit on bank accounts it's important for us to have the identity confirmed. we had problems with stolen credit card numbers in the past and that was a nasty thing.
click2pay is a subsidiary of Wire Card which has reference customers like sony, tiscali or qvc.
They do not store those information or even pass it to us but just record that the tests have been passed sucessfully
as nice as your system sounds we looked at c2p for handling certain countries payment systems and in the end decided it was just a tad too *ahem* shite to be used.
stick with the established and GOOD international providers.
Richard Slade
13-08-04, 11:54
I can't say for sure yet. Disabling that check just for neocron wouldn't be trivial and since we are doing debit on bank accounts it's important for us to have the identity confirmed. we had problems with stolen credit card numbers in the past and that was a nasty thing.
click2pay is a subsidiary of Wire Card which has reference customers like sony, tiscali or qvc.
They do not store those information or even pass it to us but just record that the tests have been passed sucessfully
MAybe so, but some (alot) countries doesn't have SIN/SSN..
Maester Seymour
13-08-04, 11:56
When we switch over to click2pay will we have to pay a second time, even if our accounts are payed for up until whenever? Or will our remainding playing time be counted for?
One of my accounts is payed for up until Jan 2005, i can't offord to go paying that again, i aint that rich.. :confused:
MAybe so, but some (alot) countries doesn't have SIN/SSN..
You're all so pessimistic :)
Within a few minutes of this becoming an issue DaFire was on the phone sorting things out. It's over a month til this is going to be a real problem, do people honestly think they're not going to have a payment method in place by then?
KK don't always get things right, but I'm pretty sure they'll cope somehow when it comes to the payment system...they are a business after all :)
When we switch over to click2pay will we have to pay a second time, even if our accounts are payed for up until whenever? Or will our remainding playing time be counted for?
One of my accounts is payed for up until Jan 2005, i can't offord to go paying that again, i aint that rich.. :confused:
Any time you've paid for already gets carried over. Also you get a free month with the upgrade.
Just thought of something... do you have you to give out your SSN/SIN if you opt for payment through bank transfer?
MAybe so, but some (alot) countries doesn't have SIN/SSN..
They do what they can do depending on the country. We don't have something like that here in germany, too.
Well I must say the customer service at Click2Pay seems excellent.
All correspondence so far is excellent. Also, the efforts involved to answer my questions and concers were swift and efficient.
They do what they can do depending on the country. We don't have something like that here in germany, too.
It seems odd to me that they use UK passport number when in the UK we do have an SIN equivalent, our NI (National Insurance) number. Everyone has one, they're unique...so why did they choose passport number? Crazy badgers.
Anyway, I'm glad I don't need a new passport, that saves me £50 and a month of hassle :)
The only problem I have is that I absolutely WILL NOT use my credit card for online gaming, I don't see the point of paying interest on it. Tis for emergencies only IMO.
However coming to pay Direct debit, I see a problem... Not available for the UK yet. Now I say YET, but I've not had an answer as to if there will be.
If not, Cheque it is.
When we switch over to click2pay will we have to pay a second time, even if our accounts are payed for up until whenever? Or will our remainding playing time be counted for?
One of my accounts is payed for up until Jan 2005, i can't offord to go paying that again, i aint that rich.. :confused:
If you have game time left when you upgrade you will get more free time with neocron2. Since the monthly costs are higher for neocron2 we will calculate some kind of "rest balance" for your payed time and calc what it would be with neocron2 prices and add it to free month in neocron2 then.
The only problem I have is that I absolutely WILL NOT use my credit card for online gaming, I don't see the point of paying interest on it. Tis for emergencies only IMO.
Errrrr.....what the hell kind of CC do you have? Any half decent credit card doesn't apply interest unless you don't pay off the balance at the end of the month.
Just pay off the balance each month (or at least the amount you pay on NC2 if you're in the red) and you won't pay interest. If you're in the UK I can highly recommend www.cahoot.com for their sexy credit cards and low interest.
Richard Slade
13-08-04, 12:31
btw I'd like to say, to you DaFire, that everyone here appreciates your active involvment atm <3 :D
The only problem I have is that I absolutely WILL NOT use my credit card for online gaming, I don't see the point of paying interest on it. Tis for emergencies only IMO.
However coming to pay Direct debit, I see a problem... Not available for the UK yet. Now I say YET, but I've not had an answer as to if there will be.
If not, Cheque it is.
switch/solo debit cards are planed for payment in uk
btw I'd like to say, to you DaFire, that everyone here appreciates your active involvment atm <3 :D
I second that. It's so nice to have someone from KK helping out and getting things sorted. :)
btw I'd like to say, to you DaFire, that everyone here appreciates your active involvment atm <3 :D
Since the payment stuff is what I have to do here I'll try to answer all questions regarding it.
EDITED - ALL QUESTIONS ANSWERED
switch/solo debit cards are planed for payment in uk
Sex a J00!
SEX WITH DROMS! -
cheers bud, faster than thier reply! :D
Please don't double post. Use edit if possible.
Thank you.
V
There were a lot of emergencies at uni, thanks to the SLC Fuckwits.
That changes everything...where the SLC is involved expect delays, disaster, and porridge diets O_o
That and I have an irrational fear of credit cards. But I suppose your right, if there is no other way, I'll just have to put up with it.
Fear of credit cards is perfectly sensible :)
I went SO overboard with mine as a student that it took me years to pay them off. Now I pay off the full balance each month the day after I get paid, and if I can't eat by the end of the month then I go hungry. I hate debt.
Seems you can pay by switch anyways so it's all good :)
That changes everything...where the SLC is involved expect delays, disaster, and porridge diets O_o
DUDE! How did you know! Pasta and porridge were the staple diets of about 3 halls worth of people during the first few weeks, I finally got my payment 4 weeks overdue.
Fear of credit cards is perfectly sensible :)
I went SO overboard with mine as a student that it took me years to pay them off. Now I pay off the full balance each month the day after I get paid, and if I can't eat by the end of the month then I go hungry. I hate debt.
Seems you can pay by switch anyways so it's all good :)
Aye, cheers for the help mate, and sorry for the double posting V
...credit cards...
WHAT?! WHERE??!!
Noooooooo *runs away and implodes*
Lol.. I have one of those where you pay at the end of the month. They don't have dredit on them but they are still teh evil. Sometimes I just cannot contain myself and end up with like a $2000 bill at the end of the month o_O
And also, more street cred to DaFire :D
Maester Seymour
13-08-04, 12:45
hmm so you need to have a passport or driving license number to register with c2p as well? What happens if you don't have either ? :wtf:
hmm so you need to have a passport or driving license number to register with c2p as well? What happens if you don't have either ? :wtf:
I'm sure there would be numerous ways to verify ID, get in touch with them, they're very reasonable.
Dargeshaad
13-08-04, 12:47
hmm so you need to have a passport or driving license number to register with c2p as well? What happens if you don't have either ? :wtf:
Then I guess you'll have to beg your parents/family :p
The passport number asked when you try to register from uk at click2pay.com will not be needed when you register your click2pay account later within the neocron2 account creation
Maester Seymour
13-08-04, 13:03
The passport number asked when you try to register from uk at click2pay.com will not be needed when you register your click2pay account later within the neocron2 account creation
okay, ty DaFire :)
Do you have to give out your SIN/SSN if you opt for payment through bank transfer?
Edit: Comeon.. anyone who can go through the signup procedure could check on that.
Still sounds suspicious... PayPal = your friend... :rolleyes:
Still sounds suspicious... PayPal = your friend... :rolleyes:
Acording to paypall, I still owe them 24.50. to clear my remaining balance. It's been like that for a year now. I paid about 150 quid and still the figure hasn't changed, never had any probs with worldpay or click2pay.
They may not be the most reliable service, but they fuckin work anywhere, not just in certain countries...
Acording to paypall, I still owe them 24.50. to clear my remaining balance. It's been like that for a year now. I paid about 150 quid and still the figure hasn't changed, never had any probs with worldpay or click2pay.
Yeah, I prefer Worldpay :)
Just because the people I work for own the site their offices are on in Cambridge. So if I have problems then they get a rent increase :lol: ;)
Not to sound racist here, but if you have ever known a german people (ive known a few) they tend to do things like that, if you arent "one of them" they would rather not deal with you, and if you have a problem with any of it "you can go fuck yourself".
Basic german attitude... but hey, not everyone fits the stereotype, but KK seems to.
So germans act like americans?
I see...
Please stay on topic.
I have another update...
We will have following payment methods for Neocron2:
Worldwide - VISA (incl. VISA Electron, VISA Delta) and MasterCard
Additionally :
United States: ACH
Germany, Austria: ELV (Lastschriftverfahren)
France: Carte Bancaire
We try to get SWITCH/SOLO, Carte Bleue and JCB working till release but I can't do any promise for that at this time. :(
Please stay on topic.
I have another update...
We will have following payment methods for Neocron2:
Worldwide - VISA (incl. VISA Electron, VISA Delta) and MasterCard
Additionally :
United States: ACH
Germany, Austria: ELV (Lastschriftverfahren)
France: Carte Bancaire
We try to get SWITCH/SOLO, Carte Bleue and JCB working till release but I can't do any promise for that at this time. :(
Now if that doesn't deserve a cookie, I don't know what does :p
Thanks for the info.
sanityislost
13-08-04, 16:02
Woot thanx Dafire....was kinda freaking out about that :p
SiL ..:.. :p
[TgR]KILLER
13-08-04, 16:35
so going click2pay meens there won't be a paybycash no more ? :(
Dribble Joy
13-08-04, 16:39
So I can still use my debit card.... but do I still need to give them my passport No. and my NI number? (SSN)
they have chosen it to put people outside of germany off playing the game.
they are cutting their losses and concentrating on the home market (the sign of an ailing company) as such anyone outside of germany counts less than shit.
lets make this clear. kk do NOT give a fuck about any of us as a customer, they just want the money, if they think they can get more custom by promoting and encouraging subscribers from germany only they will and fuck the rest of the world.
what you expected kk to respect customer loyalty? :rolleyes:
Richard Slade
13-08-04, 16:56
And you know this for sure of course since you work in the company and know everything they're up to...
How could I think something else...
Richard Slade
13-08-04, 17:01
How about this then: You're so egocentric you can't see past your own damn nose,
and therefore your opinion is also TOTALLY worthless
Stop looking for something to whine at and start doing something creative
I'm basing MY opinion on the experience I have from my involvement so far into KK's way of working. Stop thinking you are something someone should be arsed about, if you don't like it, just get the fuck out
Richard Slade
13-08-04, 17:04
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you sir, are to be considered owned, now stfu instead until you got FACTS
you sir, are to be considered own, now stfu instead until you got FACTS
your penis must truly be huge and manly.
congratulations
incidently. your sentence didnt make any sense. i think you meant owned.
Okay, are the emails send or what to preorder DoY? So i can pay ;)
Richard Slade
13-08-04, 17:18
Okay, are the emails send or what to preorder DoY? So i can pay ;)
Didn't you read dude? We get FREE open beta stresstest one MONTH first, and THEN we have to pay, and also get one month free after that
Relax and enjoy the freebies :D
Fer chrissakes give the fanboi his dummy back and get him to shut up.
Jesus.
Didn't you read dude? We get FREE open beta stresstest one MONTH first, and THEN we have to pay, and also get one month free after that
Relax and enjoy the freebies :D
Im stupid to english :p , just i preorderen the upgrade package will i get it or do i have to download it?
Dirk_Gently
13-08-04, 17:22
Im stupid to english :p , just i preorderen the upgrade package will i get it or do i have to download it?
They'll have to send out.
Loads of people run NC on 56k. (the fact it runs so skinny is alot of it's attraction)
Cut it out. All of you.
N
so if i were to sign up to c2p i will still have to give them my SSN? because if so i will not give that out just so they can do a back ground check, so if that will be the only way to pay guess i wont be playing any online games because this is the best one i have found
Yes, I would like clerification about SSN as well, I worked on me cr history for long time and not about to give out me SSN (me buddy just bought mercedes sl55 amg with out even knowing it, guess how did that happen........someone got hes ssn, so am not gonna be playing if thats the case :o )
hmm, paypal doesn't also support all countries, like there is only Portugal under "P" so I can't have PP accnt
Darth Slayer
13-08-04, 19:29
Ok I stopped reading after Page 3 I'm utterly confused.
Are they still using Worldpay and if not why not ?
I've never had a problem with Worldpay and who and what is clicktopay ?
I'm beginning to see that KK have gotten a very big gun and shot themselves in both feet again..... :rolleyes:
Scorpius.
Ok I stopped reading after Page 3 I'm utterly confused.
Are they still using Worldpay and if not why not ?
I've never had a problem with Worldpay and who and what is clicktopay ?
I'm beginning to see that KK have gotten a very big gun and shot themselves in both feet again..... :rolleyes:
Scorpius.
wont be worldpay they are going to be useing click2pay :mad:
and as you can see it sucks.
and i have no idea why.
uh, I do not give my ssn to anyone :)
So I'm guessing you must be kinda young. When I started college 5 years ago, they made your student ID # your SSN. Then colleges started using other things because people had safety concerns with using ppl's SSN... so most colleges added a 0 to the end :p
Point being, your SSN... anyone can put a little effort into that and find it out. And when they do, then what? ONOZ MY SSN IS KNOWN O_o You'd be better off posting your SSN to the internet than sharing your NC login info with a friend :p
but they also do a credit check and if you dont pass you dont get an account through them, meaning you dont play neocron.
Dirk_Gently
13-08-04, 22:15
Are they still using Worldpay and if not why not ?
We had a look at WorldPay at my company. It is very, very expensive, I can understand why kk aren't using them.
We went for PayPal.
worldpay caused lots of trouble during the last two years
dafire will C2P be the only way to pay or what? i just really dont want to give out my SSN and i really dont want to have to quit because of C2P, how about paypal or anything i'd even send you my prepaid credit card # so i dont have to use C2P. as you can tell i really dont like the sound of C2P :D
Ok peeps I'm in the UK read this disscssion and was getting a bit worried, I agree you should not give your SSN or Passport Number to anyone just to be able to play a game. So i have just been to C2P to see what happens when you set up an account seemed straight forward no requests for SSN or Passport numbers just entered my details and card number that was it.
I would like to get answer to this:
You say that I can play using creditcard like VISA (like I do now) but are all the payments handlet through Click2Pay? So I would need to signup for Click2Pay so I can pay and play?
I would like to know this because:
"You are using an IP address which indicates that you are not located in the United States, the United Kingdom, Italy, Switzerland, Canada, South Africa, France, Austria or Germany.
Consumer signup at Click2Pay is currently limited to those countries, but will be available for other countries soon..."
And I sure hope they will. Otherwise they will have Amanita Muscaria (a mushroom) growing in they serverbox and little goblins with big wooden stick chasing everyone around in theyr office. I promise that.
Something like Click2Pay wont stop me from playing the game I love, I will buy a plane ticket to Germany and pay to the ReaKKtor my gaming fee for next few years...
Grrr....
I dont think anyone has thought about the Australians here, i see all these new provisions being made for the americans and english/european, but what about the asian even? you are going to market it to them (maybe even us) but what are we to do if click2pay falls through?
Yes, but I think it would be very convienient if all the moderators put all thier answers to DoY questions in one post, say with a name like "FA niggling Q". Then ordinary folk like myself wouldn't have to waste precious time combing the forums for answers to irritatingly simple questions.
Perhaps such a post would deserve it's own web site, either a stand-alone "DoY FAQ.org" or "neocron.com/doyfaq".
Ok I stopped reading after Page 3 I'm utterly confused.
Are they still using Worldpay and if not why not ?
I've never had a problem with Worldpay and who and what is clicktopay ?
I'm beginning to see that KK have gotten a very big gun and shot themselves in both feet again..... :rolleyes:
Scorpius.
Ja, excactly. NC is dead. :( :wtf:
Hm, now reading all through this post its been intemated that click2play undertake a credit check and verification of a person - personally I will fail a credit check and dont want to have my identity confirmed by anyone just to play an online game, I wasnt asked for it for guild wars, I wasnt asked for it on planetside or SWG - whats different here?
I dont own (and cant get) a credit card and Im sure a lot of other people are in the same boat - are other options being made available for this launch - incuding different ways to pay/different payment collectors?
(And I know there is an open beta blah blah blah - I need to know if its worthwhile continuing to play the game or pack up and play something that actually accepts my payment without question rather than snooping through my bins so I can have the privelege of playing an online german game)
Richard Blade
14-08-04, 21:09
Hm, now reading all through this post its been intemated that click2play undertake a credit check and verification of a person - personally I will fail a credit check and dont want to have my identity confirmed by anyone just to play an online game, I wasnt asked for it for guild wars, I wasnt asked for it on planetside or SWG - whats different here?
I dont own (and cant get) a credit card and Im sure a lot of other people are in the same boat - are other options being made available for this launch - incuding different ways to pay/different payment collectors?
(And I know there is an open beta blah blah blah - I need to know if its worthwhile continuing to play the game or pack up and play something that actually accepts my payment without question rather than snooping through my bins so I can have the privelege of playing an online german game)
You may have read one complete thread, but did you read the merged thread?
Dafire stated that when we sign up on the Neocron 2 account page, it will avoid the nasty question that Click-2-Pay is asking on their site. So, it shouldn't be an issue. The Neocron 2 page will be a portal into Click 2 Pay's system.
However you pay for NC now, that should still work for NC2.
Neocron has been worthwhile for me to play it for the past two years. You have to make up your own mind on that. But, your bins are safe. KK doesn't want anyones dirty shorts. Then again, I'm not so sure about KillerBunneh. :angel:
This is ridiculouse. A lot of Neocrons population are people under the age of 18 who pretty much legally cant get a credit card. Even people above that would struggle to do so. If switch comes in, fine.
This is ridiculouse. A lot of Neocrons population are people under the age of 18 who pretty much legally cant get a credit card. Even people above that would struggle to do so. If switch comes in, fine.
Neocron is K18 game right? So you shouldnt be able to play this without being 18... But hey what about us who are 18 and have creditcards o_O
MAybe so, but some (alot) countries doesn't have SIN/SSN..
And collecting such an information is strictly prohibited in several countries (exept when the colector has to pay some taxes to the social services of the country)
tbh if there isnt a debit card option like now, i aint paying or playing
i also think this will squeeze out a lot of younger players who pay by cash or on a parents credit card. i imagine most none net savvy parents will be VERY reluctant to give out such ludicrously uneccesarily detailed information.
if they want my NI number or passport number they can gtf.
ummm.... everyone at my work, that i asked, said there would be no way in hell that they would give anyone online the info that click2pay asks. such as ssn and things like that..
kk it sucks to be you, when people want to play the game, but they cant because they have the money pay for it, but your end wont allow that.
Neocron is K18 game right? So you shouldnt be able to play this without being 18... But hey what about us who are 18 and have creditcards o_O
K18? You mean the age limit? What world you living in. I'm looking at the back of the box and it says 11+ OK!!!
Praetorian
15-08-04, 14:37
Thank god!
Reading thru the first couple of pages was about to give me a stroke!
Luckily DaFire could make my bloodpreassure drop to a sensible level...
So VISA will save the world, good to know...
I have one BIIIIG favour to ask of KK.
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAKE A NEOCRON 2 FAQ WHERE ALL THIS IMPORTANT INFORMATION IS BEING PUT. Make it accessible from THE MAIN NEOCRON PAGE, and not hidden in the forum...
To start with theres a few topics that needs to be put in it. (when they are answered, or at least put in the 'most likely scenario at this time (with datestamp)'
1. How many items will be allowed to be brought over (10 in qb, or 10 in qb AND 4 brain imps)
2. How many servers will be launched, and in what kind of setup? (1 or 2 international? will we get our 1 slot from start like the germans? putting 3 servers worth PLUS the inactive coming back for NC2 on the same international server will make it implode) - Maybe people will be allowed a move to a 1 slot international server if/when that finally gets opened?
3. Payment methods
I know theres more, but i know these 3 things alone are making the whole community freak out!
If KK did this, it would make my day... :D
I made a preemtive FAQ attempt with information gathered from the plan file, this thread and that huge plan file thread.
They will post an official one after the German game convention it seems :)
Praetorian
15-08-04, 14:40
Yes, but I think it would be very convienient if all the moderators put all thier answers to DoY questions in one post, say with a name like "FA niggling Q". Then ordinary folk like myself wouldn't have to waste precious time combing the forums for answers to irritatingly simple questions.
Perhaps such a post would deserve it's own web site, either a stand-alone "DoY FAQ.org" or "neocron.com/doyfaq".
LOL ffs, that will teach me to actually read to the end of threads... Sorry Morpheus :p
But i couldnt agree more... We need a FAQ... BADLY...
I.e this one http://neocron.jafc.de/showthread.php?t=106938
I guess it would get outdated pretty quick if something changes however :p
a Faq !
And the question killer stated about paybycash still stands...
Hows wire transfer going? I mean how hard would it be to support that ffs, credit cards (here) are for people with a salary of 1000 euro's or above per month... As I'm sure there are alot of students here who either have to deal with someone else's cc or use wiretransfer with paybycash.
at this moment you have worldpay AND paybycash as far as I know seperate right? Any word on this all?
an faq would be very nice, but that may be to much work for them :D i still havent got a straight anwser about the payments, so i dont expect much from them anymore :rolleyes: hopefully they will make a faq and tell us all the details that we need to know 8|
landofcake
15-08-04, 20:37
This is ridiculouse. A lot of Neocrons population are people under the age of 18 who pretty much legally cant get a credit card. Even people above that would struggle to do so. If switch comes in, fine.
In the UK you can obtain a VISA Electron card from 16 years of age (it's a debit card).
not to mention the fact that VISA Delta is debit also ...
This is the only issue I have, why can I not continue to use my debit card? O_o
shit u cant use debit cards!? thats me out then :(
landofcake
15-08-04, 20:48
shit u cant use debit cards!? thats me out then :(
You can, but it seems that you can only use Visa Debit cards currently (VISA Electron and VISA Delta)
Personally i think this is pretty shoddy, as it's often the other way round, you can use Solo/Switch cards but not the VISA debit incarnations.
ARGH ty i was gettin worried then :p but yeh still think it sucks stick to the old payment methods!
Maester Seymour
15-08-04, 21:05
Well my fingers are crossed that they will accept Switch cards for NC2, otherwise i prolly wont be able to play n e more :(
How did i not even hear about this?
This is seriously fucked up. My ssn? WTF do they need my fucking ssn for? why dont they take my eye color and dick size while there at it...
My passport? fair enough i have a passport but ALOT of people never leave the country meaning they dont need a passport and thus wont own a fucking passport...man these people are a joke and they aint having my fucking ssn either because even i dont know my proper one :lol: even though ive been working for 2 years :wtf: (i never recieved my card when i was 16 and asked 3 times for them to send it before i thought fuck you)
So whats the requirements for NC now
-1.5ghz AMD or equivalent
-256mb memory
-DX9.0 compatable sound card
-64mb gfx card (128mb reccomended)
-credit card
-passport
-social security number
-8" knob minimum :rolleyes:
-blue eyes :rolleyes:
What a joke this game is becoming. Well not so much the game itself but why the fucking hell did they pick this click2pay when they already use paypal?
So whats the requirements for NC now
-1.5ghz AMD or equivalent
-256mb memory
-DX9.0 compatable sound card
-64mb gfx card (128mb reccomended)
...Are those actual requirements? Where did they come from?
i hope thats not the requirements cause thats about all i have with this coumpter so it may not play very good
Nah lol...i just made them up. I cant see the cpu being that high for this..it could be the reccomended though.
Well, doesn't bother me none. I am on a budget, but I still have an XP2000+, 512mb DDR400, and a radeon 9600. I should be getting a 9800pro soon too.
So whats the requirements for NC now
-1.5ghz AMD or equivalent
-256mb memory
-DX9.0 compatable sound card
-64mb gfx card (128mb reccomended)
-credit card
-passport
-social security number
-8" knob minimum :rolleyes:
-blue eyes :rolleyes:
cool my girlfriend can still play then :wtf:
They do what they can do depending on the country. We don't have something like that here in germany, too.
DaFire, First I appreciate your efforts in trying to explain how the payments are going to happen. you are dealing with a difficult situation, not in your native language. The only person that I know who can do that is my former (German) girlfriend. Her English got better when she was angry at me (she also lost what little she had of an accent too; never could figure that out.) o_O
Unless a person is taking out a loan, American law is pretty clear on this. We are not required to provide Social Security information. I am very wary of providing this to a private company not even in the US. This is not a loan - this is a debit from an account of my choosing. A very different thing. If providing this information is obligatory to pay for an annount, I'm afraid you've just lost me as a customer. Fraud using Social Security information has become a serious issue here in the states.
Trent
I agree with trent. I will not give out my SSN to anybody, well depends on what she looks like :lol: But could we get better answers? Ill beg if you want, oh wait that is what im doing Please Please Please. Dont use C2P, or if you do use C2P give us some other kind of payment option. Please :( :( :(
From Click2Pay Website:
Click2Pay requires your SSN for the purposes of identity verification during the
signup process. This data will not be stored
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If I remember correctly, It's illeagal for a company to REQUIRE you to provide your SSN, even if for "identity" reasons. Atleast here in the US it is, not sure about other companies located in other parts of the world.
But, I for one, will NOT be using Click2Pay to register to play Neocron. The main reason for that being is that they have the requirement in place to use your SSN.
Richard Blade
16-08-04, 14:07
If anyone bothers to read all of the thread, and specifically what Dafire says, then you will see that when you use the Neocron 2 account sign up page to activate an account with click 2 pay, you will not need to enter your SSN / SIN, nor a passport.
Read the whole thread before bitching. o_O
I just got told, solo payments may not be in NC2.
Now bein a student, i use solo, and i kno a LOT of other people who do too, its easy enuff to say "get some ones card, and give them cash" but when ur mum and dad dont agree with games, it becomes hard. PLEASE KK DONT TAKE AWAY NC FROM US STUDENT'S..lol0r
thoughts ... ?
I hope they will be taking Solo Debit cards in the UK, or i'm gonna be screwed & unable to play NC2 :(
well to be fair to KK i dont think ANY online sites take solo as its so easy to defraud or something.
having said that, if there isnt a debit card option or an option other than click2invadeyourprivacyandsellyourpersonalinformation i wont be playing either.
If anyone bothers to read all of the thread, and specifically what Dafire says, then you will see that when you use the Neocron 2 account sign up page to activate an account with click 2 pay, you will not need to enter your SSN / SIN, nor a passport.
Read the whole thread before bitching. o_O
i did read the whole thread i must have missed that, guess ill go back through it to find that
well to be fair to KK i dont think ANY online sites take solo as its so easy to defraud or something.
either.
I use Solo to pay for NC1 & Planetside.
I also use it at many online shops to but games, computer components, clothes and music for my brother.
this is all i see DaFire saying about the problem of the SSN. i hope DaFire will come back and let us know what will happen with the C2P, and also if there will be another way to pay for people who dont want to give out this kind of info.
I can't say for sure yet. Disabling that check just for neocron wouldn't be trivial and since we are doing debit on bank accounts it's important for us to have the identity confirmed. we had problems with stolen credit card numbers in the past and that was a nasty thing.
click2pay is a subsidiary of Wire Card which has reference customers like sony, tiscali or qvc.
They do not store those information or even pass it to us but just record that the tests have been passed sucessfully
2. The Click2pay registration on the click2pay site differs from the registration which is included in the neocron2 account creation. e.g. there you don't need a passport number in uk and i think there will be no phone callbacks.
They still take Visa, what's the problem?
DjSKum
They still take Visa, what's the problem?
DjSKum
having to give the SSN a credit check, all this just to play a game online??
these are the problems for me.
They still take Visa, what's the problem?
DjSKum
I dont have a Visa :(
yeah i have a mastercard and its a pre-paid :lol:
I can only pay by Solo :( Hope they manage to allow payment by it!
Here is a summary of Q&As on this thread.
The As are direct quotes from KKs staff.
My own comments and clarifications are inside brackets [...]
Why are KK switching to Click2pay?
Worldpay caused lots of trouble during the last two years
We had several problems with stolen credit card numbers and faked personal info in the past. Click2Pay uses different methods to check the identity of the shopper depending on the country.
There are no plans to use a different payment provider [than Click2pay] right now.
Will all countries be able to pay through Click2Pay?
Click2pay will support all countries (execept some countries like irak and sudan (list will follow)) the end of this month [August].
If click2pay can't serve all countries there most likely will be an alterantive
[B]Will you be absolutely required to provide Click2Pay with your SSN or Passport number?
The Click2pay registration on the click2pay site differs from the registration which is included in the Neocron2 account creation. e.g. there you don't need a passport number in uk and I think there will be no phone callbacks.
[If you however choose to register at Click2pay now]
Disabling that check just for Neocron wouldn't be trivial [for Click2pay]and since we are doing debit on bank accounts it's important for us [KK]to have the identity confirmed. We [have] had problems with stolen credit card numbers in the past and that was a nasty thing. Click2pay is a subsidiary of Wire Card which has reference customers like sony, tiscali or qvc.
Click2pay do not store [SSN /SIN] information or even pass it to KK but just record that the tests have been passed sucessfully.
What payment methods will Click2Pay admit?
They should accept Visa, Mastercard worldwide, Visa Electron, Visa Delta and Laser from the United States and Switch, Solo debit cards from the UK.
We will also accept Carte Bancaire and Carte Bleue from France.
United States: ACH
Germany, Austria: ELV (Lastschriftverfahren)
We will try to get SWITCH/SOLO debit cards from the UK, Carte Bleue from France and JCB working by the release but I can't do any promise for that at this time.
If I have already paid KK for gaming time, how will this be treated when I upgrade to NC2?
If you have game time left when you upgrade you will get more free time with neocron2. Since the monthly costs are higher for neocron2 we will calculate some kind of "rest balance" for your payed time and calc what it would be with neocron2 prices and add it to free month in neocron2 then.
John Blackhawk
18-08-04, 17:48
so is neocron going to be available for downloading like the origional neocron was? :angel:
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!They do a credit check on you if you actually make a PAYMENT, that really sucks
Because every time a credit check is made it goes against your record that you applied for credit with somebody
And in Australia we do not even have a Social Security Number
OH I better make sure that I have another payment option before game is transferred becaue if that is the only payment option then I will pass on Neocron and not even bother with DOY
General Crazy
19-08-04, 04:36
an alternative needs to be know for non credit card users
in a way thats what i keep asking but i never get an answer. will someone please let us know something about the payments?
i hope they can offer Solo otherwise im fuxxored lol :p
I registered with Click2Pay tonight. I didn't see anything which said they were going to call me after activation. Maybe it was that german stuff next to the Continue button. It was like being near those Monks out near... Crest Village - the ones that dialogue in German.
They wouldn't accept either of the two main Mastercards I use, but my checking account was accepted without issue. Now I just have to wait until I get home to get my account unlocked and ask why my Mastercards weren't accepted. They were real warry of talking with me over a phone line other than my home number. They also said that they'd call me if I sent them a mail at their support address. This is an issue for most in the USA due to the different country code required.
I don't mind the paranoia. Better to make me wait a little bit than allow anyone access. I don't care about the SSN, either. I had to give that out to my college, to my student loan providers, etc. It's just a number. I really liked (and was freaked out by) the wide range of selectable answers to security questions, questions which were different each time I tried to sign up.
Well, finally got my Click2Pay account validated.
When I called them around 12am EST, I got someone who sounded like an english-as-a-first-language person. This morning I sent them a mail at 8:30am asking them to call me to validate my account. Just before 10am I received a call from Click2Pay replying to my mail. The person didn't speak english as a first language, but was understandable.
Click2Pay is definitely big into online gambling. Their star system indicates how much you can spend per week. As I may be paying for up to four accounts at any given time at the 6 month rate, I opted for the 1000 dollar spending limit. The option below that was 250, and there's the off chance that the Euro may get even stronger against the dollar.
My credit cards were not authorized (Chase, CitiBank). Click2Pay doesn't know why, but they did indicate that many card companies don't approve of the whole online gambling thing and their systems refuse requests from Wirecard, Click2Pay's parent company. My checking account, though, was authorized without issue. This, as it turns out, is a good thing because...
There is a 3% fee per credit card transaction, paid by the payer, meaning if you make a transaction via Click2Pay and use a credit card for payment, you pay a 3% fee on top of your payment. If you use a checking account to fund a payment, there is no fee. This is another definitive sign that these guys are in this for gambling, for the most part. Hopefully, Reakktor/10Tacle have made arrangements to suspend that 3% charge for Neocron payments...
There is a 3% fee per credit card transaction, paid by the payer, meaning if you make a transaction via Click2Pay and use a credit card for payment, you pay a 3% fee on top of your payment. If you use a checking account to fund a payment, there is no fee. ... Hopefully, Reakktor/10Tacle have made arrangements to suspend that 3% charge for Neocron payments...
O_o Yes, I would hope that we would not be paying a 3% service charge in addition to our price increase for NC2.
Do not register with Click2Pay now. As has been stated numerous times we have our own seperate system with them.
Do not register with Click2Pay now. As has been stated numerous times we have our own seperate system with them.
Yeah I wouldn't dare register before. I'd rather wait for the slimmed down registration that you all are providing us. But was that implying that your system will only charge us the NC2 monthly fee and avoid the 3% charge, or was that just a general warning to everyone out there.
John Blackhawk
02-09-04, 09:53
8| so what your saying is wait on signing up for an account? so when it does come time to sign up for nc2 we come to the www.neocron.com homepage?
Ok quick question: will this mean people from the Netherlands will be unable to pay for NC2? I've never in my life seen a site where you can pay from certain countries only, only if it involves national payment methods. International payments are the only frikkin reason I have a creditcard damnit ;)
(didn't read the entire thread but some posts made me wonder)
Richard Slade
02-09-04, 10:31
Ok quick question: will this mean people from the Netherlands will be unable to pay for NC2? I've never in my life seen a site where you can pay from certain countries only, only if it involves national payment methods. International payments are the only frikkin reason I have a creditcard damnit ;)
(didn't read the entire thread but some posts made me wonder)
It's said to be fixed, don't worry
anybody know how much cost the monthly fee for neocron2 ?
and it is possible to pay in $ ?
I Like Neocron because the fee is in $ .. not like Ao/Eve where US pay 15$ and EU pay 15euro .. because that big fuckin cheat, because 15 euro is 19,5$ .
I pray for not problems on click2pay with my Mastercard Internetcard CC.
btw > what about players who don't buy bdoy ? they still use worldpay ? because I don't want to register again with another company.. why we (players) are bothered with any financial issues ? We want play - not get bothered with any money company/transfers.. etc
I think this problem is on KK/10tacle side .. they must solve this problems I don't want be bothered with anything. I have nc account and never want bother with another registration (maybe when I buy bdoy - then I buy it via shop what I like, simply activate the new cd key and check my credit card are charged for higher montly fee) - nothing other...... I don't want register on another company. Dare with this.
I Like Neocron because the fee is in $ .. not like Ao/Eve where US pay 15$ and EU pay 15euro .. because that big fuckin cheat, because 15 euro is 19,5$.
Well that's not entirely true. I played SWG for a few months and what they do is charge your creditcard for $15, but they also slam 19% VAT on that price. The result might not be the 19$ you spoke of, but it's getting close (just under 18 I think). Gotta love taxes.
I was considering staying on through the first month of NC2 but after seeing this thread I am again reconsidering again and not coming back.
I dont' give my SSN to anyone but my bank, my boss, my financial advisor and the IRS.
I dont' have a passport.. And I am not going to sit around and wait for someone to call me to verify payment.
My question is.. Will Worldpay still be available in the future.. (I am guessing that the answer to that question is burreied in huge amount of pages in this thread.)
It will only be click2pay
and as they have said many times before, registering through NC2 will be different then registering through Click2pay homepage
you wont have to give out your ssn nember :)
Was that an official word? or just somethign someone said in the forum? Someones.. "Reliable Source"
Sorry for the sarcasm..
Just a little miffed about this.
Was that an official word? or just somethign someone said in the forum? Someones.. "Reliable Source"
Sorry for the sarcasm..
Just a little miffed about this.
Go to page 8 of this thread Dafire says something close to what i said, plus in the faq they say something i just dont remember what it was :lol:
Dafire said
The passport number asked when you try to register from uk at click2pay.com will not be needed when you register your click2pay account later within the neocron2 account creation
Nothing about the SSN in there.. I hate being paranoid but I know people that have been victimes of identity theft. Even though they say they are secure.. There are peopel that work there that will have access. Someone will have access to the SSN.. Even the supposed 'most trusted' will have access.
I dont' mean to doubt.. i am just being cautious. Currently I am playing 3 MMORPGs .. 2 are coming out with Expansions very soon (each I have 2 accounts on). One is just sitting there festering.. I am kicking 2 games and keeping one.
NC2 looks very good.. I am just paranoid.
Dafire said
Nothing about the SSN in there..
I dont' mean to doubt.. i am just being cautious. Currently I am playing 3 MMORPGs .. 2 are coming out with Expansions very soon (each I have 2 accounts on). One is just sitting there festering.. I am kicking 2 games and keeping one.
NC2 looks very good.. I am just paranoid.
Yeah i know i wont give my SSN number either but i just figured if no passport then no SSN number, thats what i get from what dafire said and from what the guy says in the FAQ.
If any mods are reading this could you say if we'll have to give out our SSN number so all this can just go away?
I'll prod Dafire cause I'm not even entirely sure at this point.
Cool thanks odin, would be nice to know :)
You still can't sign up if you're from Belgium...
If they don't offer anything for us in 3 weeks I'm afraid I'll be forced to play other games.
I feel like I'm being dumped, only this time it isn't by my girlfriend but by Reakktor
thanks guys :(
What about PayByCash.com ??? not going to use that method anymore?
And if you do, what about getting PayPal added back to the supported payment methods :)
I'll prod Dafire cause I'm not even entirely sure at this point.
so hows the prodding going? i would really like to know if we have to give out our SSN# for certain.
The Ottoman
12-09-04, 14:17
You still can't sign up if you're from Belgium...
If they don't offer anything for us in 3 weeks I'm afraid I'll be forced to play other games.
I feel like I'm being dumped, only this time it isn't by my girlfriend but by Reakktor
thanks guys :(
I'm getting nervous too now. Only two weeks left for retail. Really would like to know if you can use Visa from Belgium.
Further It would be nice if we were told the exact procedure to follow(step by step, please. I'm not a whizkid. ;) ) when upgrading from NC1 to NC2.
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