they should put in mechs like these [Archive]

NaKoth

04-08-04, 08:36

Oh yes, that looked sweet.
I dont know how mechs would fit in the gameplay though. As i see it they could unbalance the (PvP) quite a bit. Unless they need 2 players to control them, or are just increnebly slow to move/turn, so it will be hard to aim, but once they get a clear shot, they would make serious damage. dunno...

edit: noodle: yea i remember how exited u were in SWG about dancing, and those pants, those pants :lol:

yavimaya

04-08-04, 08:38

THey should add some o these (http://www.wilenkin.com/transformers/Video_player_06_content.html) withbdoy :P

i wish i could make somthing like that :D

Yes, they are transformers, not mechs, they are thier own franchise.... i would like to see KK afford the contract to put them in.

Mantiz

04-08-04, 08:42

MECH (http://forum.neocron.com/showpost.php?p=1449150&postcount=6)

That would do it for me.

TheGreatMilenko

04-08-04, 08:54

Yea, we could all meet up at MB and have a breakdancing competition!!

hell ya

Clive tombstone

04-08-04, 09:17

WOOT! someone quoted me! heh, check my other posts mantis, I have a TON on mechs, Believe me, ive been fighten for em for a lONG time, wait a few months after DOY then we should resume the fight.

PS the only "Possible" mechs for this game would be for the size of 3-4 ,meters tall, and, well, maybe something like this^^
http://www.kotiposti.net/japsu/3d/dreadnought.jpg

I know its a warhammer dreadnaught, but come on, its about 3.5 meters tall^^ something like bulky^^ with chain guns

(edit) this is a color version of mine^^
http://www.warhammer40k.ru/imgs/models/fc/Dreadnought.jpg

PS god I love mechs^^

seraphian

04-08-04, 09:40

WArhammer dreadnought designs are ripoffs of the old battletech ones anyway...

I think that kind of 'low-tech/high-tech' look could work with NC quite well, honestly.

as to unbalancing PvP, you'd need to add anti-vehicle weapons in every class (IE Anti-armor .50 rifle, AV rocket pistol, a tankbuster grenade <<krak grenades anyone?>>) but then a big massive vehicle is a pretty obvious target, to quote The Munchkin's Guide to Powergaming:

"The phrase, 'Frag it's a TANK!! Blast it!' has been known to be common on battlefields."

a big assed target that moves slower than a player can and cannot use cover well is going to be an awesome weapon, but not a single-handed battlewinner, it will have to have support to keep people from getting behind/under it and people to flush out the guys in OP buidings with rocket launchers... besides the sense of accomplishment is SO MUCH greater when you take down something much bigger than you. you feel like brave soldier running up to a tank and shoving a grenade down the barrel or diving into their foreward firing arc to clamp mag-mines on their ankles.

Spikadelia

04-08-04, 11:09

Yep...sweet piece of animation.

Mechs in NC would be a great idea. Would need careful balancing but as we all know from previous Neochronicles the Warbots were piloted once.

Imagine the fear as you see your OP approached across the wasteland by six Spy-piloted Tank-operated Hurricane battledroids peppered by Moonstrikers ;)

Siygess

04-08-04, 11:15

Nah, those aren't Mechs. These (http://www.dp9.com/Funhouse/HGART) are mechs! :D

Too bad I had to sell all my Heavy Gear stuff a few months ago - I had all the 1st / 2nd edition stuff :(

G.0.D.

04-08-04, 11:23

Actually battle-tech is the one stealing ideas.. both from robotech and warhammer 40k. They were sued multiple times over the design of several mech playing pieces.

SynC_187

04-08-04, 11:53

Actually battle-tech is the one stealing ideas.. both from robotech and warhammer 40k. They were sued multiple times over the design of several mech playing pieces.

The orginal battletech was from the creators of robotech. It was renamed.

The rights have changed owners over the years though

Archeus

04-08-04, 12:07

Actually battle-tech is the one stealing ideas.. both from robotech and warhammer 40k. They were sued multiple times over the design of several mech playing pieces.

Robotech and Battletech have been around long before WH40K, both are decendants of Battledroids.

NaKoth

04-08-04, 12:36

As I was thinking about this more, instead of making a single armor part (as PA is now), make 5 parts that together will complete the mech.

All 5 armor parts could have different meanings and mech would be operational once all 5 are worn.

There could be many sets of armor per area also.
Helmet1 = aiming abilities + 10, night vision, smaller (sniper type) view area
Helmet2 = aiming abilities +100
Helmet3 = stealth seeing ability

Torso1 = Dual Machine guns
Torso2 = Single Rocket launcher
Torso3 = Anti vehicle and anti air launchers

Belt1 = Resists setup 1 (other 2 belts with different resists)

Trousers1 = all around speed + 15
Trousers2 = forward speed + 50, backward/sideways -50 (so you could run after targets blasting away)
Trousers3 = Speed -50, turbo boost ability for 10 seconds :) (recharge time 20 sec.)

Boots1 = Ability to crouch/kneel (for better aim or cover)
Boots2 = enchansed jump (needs to recharge for 10sec. so there will be no rabbits)
Boots3 = Ability to crouch AND move, speed -10

hehe, i dunno, but that would give options to make different setups and thus more versile gameplay... (didnt think those examples very long, just something top of my head).

Sakletare

04-08-04, 12:44

Yes, please give us our mechs!
Yes-yes, i know all about this (http://forum.neocron.com/showpost.php?p=1449032&postcount=3) but i still want them. They would be great toys and make NC more popular.

Noodle

04-08-04, 12:45

the next expansion pack (due out in 2007)

NeoMechs (Mechocron seems too stupid :p )

Clive tombstone

04-08-04, 15:57

(sorry, a little image heavy, but there damn cool^^
ok, here's some others first, heavy gear^^ hunter type1
http://www.csoon.com/issue22/shots/pichg1.gif
nouther hunter
http://www.redshift.com/~harlidobib/Gear/images/hunter.jpg
this valence, just because it has an exposed cockpit (like most vehcs)
http://www.jamesfamily.com/jeff/images/valence_400.jpg
AND this one, (cuz it has a hover bomber in it :D )
http://www.inode.at/attila/pictures/rpg/hg_01.jpg
(edit) found this one, seemed too good to pass up its from Tiberian sun C&C
http://sonic.czechcore.cz/sonic_page_first/pictures/C&C/units/POWEREDASSAULTARMOR.jpg

cRazy2003

04-08-04, 19:48

Psycho_Soldier

04-08-04, 20:03

http://orbiterdesigner.com/board/data/gallery3/AC.jpg

Winnar.

cRazy2003

04-08-04, 20:05

http://orbiterdesigner.com/board/data/gallery3/AC.jpg

Winnar.

http://www.kotiposti.net/japsu/3d/dreadnought.jpg

^this so badly owns that one :p i mean look at its immense height and fearsomeness.

Cr33p3r

04-08-04, 20:23

http://www.oywq3.com/seed/big/03.jpg

This one rulz Gundam beats all

http://www.oywq3.com/seed/big/149.jpg

Or a fast one a bacow mobile armor

TheGreatMilenko

04-08-04, 20:52

if you guys want mechs go play Armored Core the best Mech game ever created

Clive tombstone

04-08-04, 21:20

actually, front missions 3 & 4 are the best mech games ever created^^

but Im trying to be realistic, Gundam, and "Cores" are a bit more far-fetched than mechs already are. I do however still like to look at them :D

Duder

04-08-04, 21:24

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/1563/pqmechcolor.jpg

Jest

04-08-04, 21:26

I like Duders the best so far. All the Gundamish mechs dont really fit into the Neocron world.

Clive tombstone

04-08-04, 21:36

heh, I just had to put this one in, its a "titan" from warhammer. heh, takes about 5 people to pilot it effectivly^^
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~jarkkoj/titan.jpg
or this one^^http://membres.lycos.fr/danielhd/cc/TIB/mech.jpg

too bad its C&C

Scikar

04-08-04, 22:58

Just to give an idea of scale, you can see basic troopers next to the titan's foot on the left - they're basically gentanks.

steweygrrr

05-08-04, 00:09

Just to give an idea of scale, you can see basic troopers next to the titan's foot on the left - they're basically gentanks.

Only better.....tanks don't bolters ^^

The only thing wrong with the Imperator is this. If it were real, it would be unable to move without falling over. And if thats only 40 metres, I think the people at GW need sight tests.....god knows what they call 9 inches ^^ ;)

Scikar

05-08-04, 00:15

Only better.....tanks don't bolters ^^

The only thing wrong with the Imperator is this. If it were real, it would be unable to move without falling over. And if thats only 40 metres, I think the people at GW need sight tests.....god knows what they call 9 inches ^^ ;)

There are very few mechs in fiction which wouldn't topple over in a light breeze. :p

The Imperator though is an example of amount of detail GW go into the whole universe. Shame the tabletop games themselves are ridiculously boring and expensive.

But like I said, all mechs have their faults. Heavy Gears look like transformers, and the system of giving the mechs hands and carrying weapons would be massively overcomplicated and also very fragile and unreliable. Gundams would poke everybody's eyes out. :p

The only ones I've seen so far which carry some semblance of viability are the BattleTech mechs. Whatever way you look at it though, for the same weight, a Tank can mount the same weaponry, move just as fast but carry far more armor and doesn't suffer from the weakness of falling over when a mosquito flies past.

Dezerter

05-08-04, 01:09

http://orbiterdesigner.com/board/data/gallery3/AC.jpg

Winnar.

Indeed, owned!!!111

gogo Armored Core :O

Clive tombstone

05-08-04, 02:13

But like I said, all mechs have their faults. Heavy Gears look like transformers, and the system of giving the mechs hands and carrying weapons would be massively overcomplicated and also very fragile and unreliable

not neccisarily so, although, getting the mechanized hands to work with different weapon loadouts WOULD be difficult to configuer, its versatility would bring a lot of advantages,"gears" are supposed to mimic Human motions pretty efficiently using a VR helm, and a moderatly complex control system. Also, whats wrong with Transformers? :D

Oh and the Imperator, I know scale^^ I just bought Warhammer40k Fire warrior (9 bucks, pretty cool game too^^) and in one of the levels, da bad guys are trying to start a titan up (imperator) and you have to "desable" it, and basically, you get a PRETTY good idea of scale, since you place charges on the knee points and pelvic joints.

PS, anouther type of mech might be from this game^^ cookie for those who guess right^^
http://www.toysnjoys.com/frontmission/107all.jpg

dunno, its a little gundam, but size of a "Wanzer" is about 50 smaller I tink

Omnituens

05-08-04, 02:40

Games with Decent mechs:

Front Mission 3 and 4 (hopefully)
ZOE
AC
Metal Gear Solid (not playable, but still badass)
Mechwarrior 4 Mercs (if only they could use the true names though :( )
@above post - that looks very similar to the Zenislev from FM3 with an machine gun and a buckler shield (i think its a buckler, might be one of the heavier shields)

DAMNIT now im going to have to boot it up and find out.

INFERNO22

05-08-04, 03:12

Yea, we could all meet up at MB and have a breakdancing competition!!

o_O
loooool it would be like "Watch my CS transform into Cursed Soul bot he can do the moonwalk ^^ :" lol

edit : this would be like the ultra rare mech for nc cos it ownzorz http://membres.lycos.fr/achatetvente/JouetDaijuuji.jpg

GO GO Power rangers.. i mean Neo mechs

Clive tombstone

05-08-04, 05:47

http://www.chocolatechips.biz/images/chocolate-chip-lg.jpg

W00t, yup FM3's Zenislev. cookies!

And, um inferno? You made me do this >_<

http://design.tdctrade.com/img/voltron.jpg

All: Let's go voltron force!

INFERNO22

05-08-04, 12:33

hehe they would be teh ultra rare mech cos there s0 uberz

Original monk

05-08-04, 12:37

or this one^^http://membres.lycos.fr/danielhd/cc/TIB/mech.jpg

too bad its C&C

HEY ! you dissing C&C ???? :mad: GRRRRR

its obvious that the GDI mech is "the" ultimate mech for use in neocron :)

edit: or ya meant for the copyrights ? then i can forgive ya :angel: