PDA

View Full Version : Help im a dumbass ;O need math help...



Shujin
03-08-04, 20:38
x²-7x+12

10x²-3xy-18y²


can u guys show me how to "Factory Completely (Remove the greatest common factor as needed)" ? ;[ i know im stupid

AsTrIX
03-08-04, 20:39
yellow...

Shujin
03-08-04, 20:40
yellow...
:mad: .....

Shujin
03-08-04, 20:50
is the complete factorization of x²-7x+12
(x-3)(x-4)? can i take it further? am i completely wrong?

Jest
03-08-04, 20:51
x²-7x+12

10x²-3xy-18y²
I actually enjoy math so Ill help you out. The first is (x -4)(x -3). Second is (5x - 6y)(2x + 3y).

The first type is real easy, they follow the (x +- #1)(x +- #2) format. To get the 7x part you add #1 and #2, to get the 12 you multiply #1 and #2. Make sure to keep the sign (+ or -) of each # into consideration.

I could be horribly wrong though I havent taken a math class in like 6 years. :p Why are you doing math in the summer time btw? Summer school?

RayBob
03-08-04, 20:51
(x-3)(x-4)
(5x+6y)(2x-3y)

@Jest...Your solution yields the wrong sign for 3xy

Jest
03-08-04, 20:52
(x-3)(x-4)
(5x+6y)(2x-3y)Ah damn he owned me I messed up the signs. :p

Shujin
03-08-04, 20:53
yea i havent taken a math class in 2 years and highest i had in highschool was Algebra 1, now im taking college algebra and trig which... after 2 years of math and that math only being a dumbass's highschool math... yea ;P


nah im in a tech school, all year round

TheGreatMilenko
03-08-04, 21:14
x²-7x+12

10x²-3xy-18y²


can u guys show me how to "Factory Completely (Remove the greatest common factor as needed)" ? ;[ i know im stupid

whats Factory Completely ?

Shujin
03-08-04, 21:29
ok u guys im really bad w/ math can you guys please explain it reallly... reallly... dumbasslike >.<



jest you said you add the coefficient of x² and 12 but i thought ur supposed to * it.

i thought it was something like
A² - b + c
A*C = # and 2 factors of that number * together = b
and the highest factor ( in this case 4 goes in the first thing ie:
(x - 4) then lowest factor goes in the second things ( x - 3 )

but how did you get 10x²-3xy-18y²'s answer? can you please go step by step >.< im slow as hell

edit: u werent even talkin about this u were talkin about foil, yea i know foil to check it but i just dont how to get to that point >.<

Shujin
03-08-04, 21:34
atm im doing 4x²-31x-8

ok so 4*8 = 32, the difference( since the first sign is minus ) of factors of 32 that equal are 32 and 1. so

(2x-32)(2x+1) ???

edit: nope doesnt foil out
(2x-1)(2x+32)
4x²+64x-3x-32
4x²+61x-32
doesnt foil out right either ;[ what am i doing wrong? should there be no 2 in front of the x's? no there has to be to get it to foil correctly ;[... ;.; what am i doing wrong

Jest
03-08-04, 21:38
atm im doing 4x²-31x-8

ok so 4*8 = 32, the difference( since the first sign is minus ) of factors of 32 that equal are 32 and 1. so

(2x-32)(2x+1) ???

edit: nope doesnt foil outAnswer is (4x + 1)(x - 8). Tbh I just do it in my head, which most teachers require you to show work. Lemme see if I can remember an equation or something.

RayBob
03-08-04, 21:39
(4x+1)(x-8)

Tbh I just do it in my head..Me too. Can't remember the actual procedure. That was a long time ago. :D

Shujin
03-08-04, 22:20
heh now im royally screwed... 3x²+20z-8 / 4z²+21z+20

do i factor the top and bottom then ??

Shujin
03-08-04, 22:31
ok woots, im starting to figure this stuff out >.<
the top is (3z-2)(z+4) and bottom is (4z + 5) (z+4) w00ts ;] but took me freakin 10 mins

now gotta 7x² / 4 * 28 / x^3
guessing that s 49/x^3


ok thx u guys for helpin me out ive finally figured it all out and do it all relativly fast now. my comp prof helped me alot too ;P she did it fast as hell every time i asked her so i was like @_@.... and she finally slow'd down and had to remember how to do it out instead of her head like u guys ;P

Ormy
03-08-04, 22:43
This is the kinda stuff i was learning in school about 2 years ago. I don't think there's actually any definitive fool proof way of doin em, just gotta use trial and error, and a bit of lateral thinking.

Omnituens
03-08-04, 22:46
Wait until you see implicit intergration of logarithms

thats when the fun really begins

Sorontar
03-08-04, 23:33
Jeez this thread has brought back memories ............ I'll have to did out my old Maths text books and burn em :p

Juht
03-08-04, 23:40
ax²+bx+c = 0


When there is no first coefficient (a=1), it's fastest and most practiced to be done manually. This is a common process:

x²-7x+12 (no first coefficient)
1) We want two numbers that add to the second coefficient (-7) and that multiply to the third coefficient (+12).

2) Start with the third coefficient, +12. It has factors of 1:12, 2:6, 3:4...

3) The first two factors cannot provide us a -7, but the third can, -3 and -4 add to -7.

4) So your solution is (x-3)(x-4)



When there is a first coefficient (a!=1), you use the quadratic equation:


_________
-b ± √ b² - 4ac
x = --------------- to find your roots (x-root1)(x-root2)
2a





For 3z²-10z-8:
________________
10 ± √ -10² - 4*3*(-8) 10 ± 14
z = ---------------------- -> z = ------- -> z = 4, -2/3 (roots)
2*3 6

With your roots: (z-4) and (z+2/3) or (3z+2) after multiplying it by 3.
Test: (z-4)(3z+2) = 3z²+2z-12z-8 = 3z²-10z-8




For 4z²+21z+20:
_____________
-21 ± √ 21² - 4*4*20 -21 ± 11
z = -------------------- -> z = -------- -> z = -5/4, -4 (roots)
2*4 8

With your roots: (z+4) and (z+5/4) or (4z+5) after multiplying it by 4.
Test: (z+4)(4z+5) = 4z²+5z+16z+20 = 4z²+21z+20