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Maloch Octavia
28-07-04, 23:54
I'ven been playing Neocron for far too long, and recently looked at quiting, again, because I was in a bad way with the game.
Allies killing allies, people being dicks, interaction falling to a minimal, server populations dropping, nothing left to do, etcetc.
Then I hit upon a brainwave.
I went and downloaded Planetside, signed up, got stuck into it for five days solid, and have to say, have enjoyed it, thus far, (Although I do see its limited attention span), and realised the ultimate way to enjoy Neocron.
What is the Wastelands?
It's a levelling experience.
What is the Wastelands when it comes to PvP?
A really shit version of Planetside. :)
So what have I done?
I play Neocron now, for social interaction, with my Clannies, I go hunting mobs for Techparts, and then, when I get to the mood for some PvP, I switch over to Planetside, and cause merry havoc. It's brilliant!!
Keeps me fresh for both games. :)
Hoping to get my Clannies into it too, so that when we cross the border of the zone and get into the Wastelands, we quit out of Neocron, boot up Planetside, and continue on as if nothing's happened. :P
Although, the PS Community is the worst I've ever seen, but still, at least you don't get any grief from them over Chat, no 'HAW HAW U'R SHIT I'M L33T!' Or at least, I've not had it yet. :)
TheGreatMilenko
29-07-04, 00:12
ya PS is kewl no 1 cries when they die its jus kill/die and move on
im thinkin bout giving PS a shot...sounds kinda fun....they got a free trial?
....they got a free trial?Yes. You can DL it from their website and get a full 30-day free trial.
I've been doing that for a while now. I play NC for community, I play WolfET for pvp.
Dribble Joy
29-07-04, 00:32
This is part of the reason I am warming to the red vs blue aspect of DoY, people (hopefully) won't be such cunts, less smack talk, less arguments about bringing allies.
People should not need to be given rules, to be shown how and where to play.
I love the current faction system, and it should work, but people are twats, they are self centred arseholes who care about nothing about anything else but their well being. They forget that this is an RPG, and act as they want.
As such rules NEED to be introduced, to simplify things, to keep the community from killing itself.
This is part of the reason I am warming to the red vs blue aspect of DoY, people (hopefully) won't be such cunts, less smack talk, less arguments about bringing allies.The model of allowing players to completely define a game's political system is noble but flawed. It certainly hasn’t worked in Neocron, nor does it work in Shadowbane. You simply cannot give the players that much freedom. It is griefing taken to a grander scale that can not only force an individual to quit, but entire clans and can in fact wreck an entire server. I feel it is a developer’s responsibility to direct the political scene in a way that not only follows the storyline, but more importantly, keeps the game fun for everyone.
I'm gonna do the planetside trial for a while, what is your server and race? I'll try to join up with some of you guys.
planet side is a blast I have slagged it off in the past but its like one big quake server and can be fun better than BF1942 and stuff like that but it does get old fast but allways worth going back to for some fun. As for neocron try get out of the city set some goals for your self and try your best to acomplish them like being the best constructor best pvper best ppu making the biggest clan that sort of thing. Can't let things like allies fighting and stuff ruin it for you if thats not your thing move faction gather rare parts build some nice weapons what ever there is so much to do if one puts his mind to it.
This is part of the reason I am warming to the red vs blue aspect of DoY, people (hopefully) won't be such cunts, less smack talk, less arguments about bringing allies.
People should not need to be given rules, to be shown how and where to play.
I love the current faction system, and it should work, but people are twats, they are self centred arseholes who care about nothing about anything else but their well being. They forget that this is an RPG, and act as they want.
As such rules NEED to be introduced, to simplify things, to keep the community from killing itself.
And why do you think that the twats,cunts,assholes,bitchers,bullshitters would suddenly change into nice persons?
No matter what, majority of ppl in DoY are the same cocks as in NC.
The model of allowing players to completely define a game's political system is noble but flawed. It certainly hasn’t worked in Neocron, nor does it work in Shadowbane. You simply cannot give the players that much freedom. It is griefing taken to a grander scale that can not only force an individual to quit, but entire clans and can in fact wreck an entire server. I feel it is a developer’s responsibility to direct the political scene in a way that not only follows the storyline, but more importantly, keeps the game fun for everyone.
Its been a problem cos your can't kill allies with out losing soulight so people will be dicks cos there not afraid when I was TG I don't lie when I say it was the worst faction for it they fight them self on saturn more than the BD that raids. Sad but true but if in Doy people mess about like that well big clans will simply put them right they won't be dicks no more cos getting ganked as soon as your leave your appy is no fun it will happen. Politics will be under the big clans control I hope and people will do what there told ;) at the same time if that big clan is evil the unlcanned and smaller clans will fight them out of the city
edit: I really don't see anyother way to solve this apart from making you lose 10 soulight so you go -10 after one murder of an ally which one wants too much shit involed with that
yeah my roots are from fps games(quake crctf). I played planetside back during the beta and really enjoyed it, even though its replay value was very short lived. But i think for 9.99, i think i could get a lot of fun out of it for a month while i wait for bdoy, er nc2.
I feel it is a developer’s responsibility to direct the political scene in a way that not only follows the storyline, but more importantly, keeps the game fun for everyone.
Now that we are in full hijack mode.
If that is indeed the responisbilty then whey do we not have OP limits on clans and factions. I mean the way it is the biggest clan can hold all the OP's thus taking that part of the game away from smaller clans that would like to fight. This is an old subject but it bears repeating. OP limits would make the game alot more fun for more people.
I think Planetside has no depth at all, it is just mindless blasting away at stuff, like the modern version of duck shooting at a fun fair
sorry, not for me
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and quote :"And why do you think that the twats,cunts,assholes,bitchers,bullshitters would suddenly change into nice persons?
No matter what, majority of ppl in DoY are the same cocks as in NC
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All the original NC1 players will most probably be back in NC2 and that was a super duper crowd, they plus the ones that stayed here will outnumber the nasty ones! NC will never be as horrible with regards to players as for instance Lineage is because the mods and GM's keep a tight ship and don't let things get out of hand
I think Planetside has no depth at all, it is just mindless blasting away at stuff, like the modern version of duck shooting at a fun fair
sorry, not for me
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To an extent yes, one could say even more so for a game like NC where hours upon hours, upon days of shooting are required for leveling. Seems like the pot calling the kettle black.
I think there is a lot of strategy in a game like planetside even though the actions are repititious. Op battles, leveling, its all the same stuff over again.
But i would generally agree that there is more stuff to do in a game like neocron, and sometimes i just want to go out and blow shit up, much easier to do in a game like planetside.
planetside is crap... everyone there plays for themselves -- ZERO teamwork. It's hard to believe after hours of spamming I managed to have a bomber crew...
Liebestoter
29-07-04, 08:34
Ha.
Wolf ET.
I miss RtCW.
see, i played with guys from my various quake clans and we had voice comm. and we always used teamwork and had an absolute blast. We dominated one of those servers so bad, and we only had like 20 players the next clan in 2nd had like 75 guys heh. ok, enough bragging. Yeah if you play a game by yourself theres not gonna be much teamwork in a game like that, where its not necissary to go out. Many feel making a team is slowing them down or worhtless. In a game like NC, teaming is very much nessicary.
Richard Slade
29-07-04, 09:32
Once again: Are we allowed to discuss exploits in other games?
I think Planetside has no depth at all, it is just mindless blasting away at stuff...
planetside is crap... everyone there plays for themselves -- ZERO teamwork.PlanetSide most definitely lacks depth; however it can still be a lot of fun. I play a lot of UT2004 Onslaught and while that also lacks depth it is still fun. Today, I played a single map with 32 people that was amazingly balanced. It took us 70 minutes to complete one map!
The problem with PlanetSide is actually the same as with a Neocron OP fight: teamwork or the lack of it. If you are in a good clan and using voice comms, PlanetSide can be a blast. The OP system is leagues above Neocron’s. I only played for a short time and I had many memorable fights. It has outdoor fighting dominated by vehicles balanced with several levels of indoor, room-by-room, fighting to get to the hack terminal.
...no 'HAW HAW U'R SHIT I'M L33T!'...
Didn't we tell you to stay on the server you first came to when you started to play again a while back? ;) ;)
:)
Maloch Octavia
29-07-04, 16:34
planetside is crap... everyone there plays for themselves -- ZERO teamwork. It's hard to believe after hours of spamming I managed to have a bomber crew...
Now, that's not really that true.
After two days of playing, I had spent a bit of time, and located an excellent Outfit. I joined them, and my god, the teamwork was phenomenal.
There are dozens of brilliant Outfits out there for each Faction, and no-one has any excuse for not being a part of one, if that is what they want.
So Planetside does have amazing Teamwork, but I admit, if you go out to Solo, then, it will be solo. However, the choice is entirely yours.
Bit of time, bit of effort, and you're laughing.
The Teamwork I found on Planetside, when you do find it, is far, far superior to any teamwork I've ever come across in Neocron. The game simply requires that much more.
However, Neocron does have more depth, but, the enjoyment factor, I would say, is most definately equal.
Neocron - Best for Socialising & Relaxing
Planetside - Best for Killing, Teamplay & Tactics
Oh, and to those that have asked:
Planetside = $9.99 to buy, 30 day free trial (You need to register a form of payment for the subscription however, but you can cancel at the end of 30 if you've had enough)
I'm Vanu, on Werner Server (European Server, so check your ping before you join!), and my name is Korgoroth.
I've already met a few of you guys in there, good stuff!!
lol teamplay in planet side, non existence compared to Neocron?, PS is everything the Neocron op fight experience should have been. No game has so much PvP, and strategic depth, when it comes to op fighting, everything about it makes you feel a part of something, the fact you can get take over facilities, fight indoors to outdoors to underground is like amazing.
Unlike Neocron, which constantly reminds me I shouldn't be using an SH/HL PE.
Neocron - Best for Socialising & Relaxing
Planetside - Best for Killing, Teamplay & TacticsI would imagine thats because ones a MMORPG, where character development and social activity is the purpose... And the other is a MMOFPS where the point is to kill and win.
:lol:
Of course, most are trying to play NC as a pure MMOFPS... Sadly.
not played planetside since Beta, might give it another go.
was great fun having massive battles over ops, hack your way into the building, oh shit resistance, battles on the stair wells, ahh was fucking great when the shit was going down.
kinda miss my vanu max thingy or whatever they were called.
my stealth guy was great, the amount of idiots i killed who didnt even know what was going down was funny.
hows the balance now, i remember certain sides had more fire power than others when i played.
Maloch Octavia
29-07-04, 19:21
They've done a lot of tweaking to the balance, and from what I've seen now, things are fairly well balanced. Stealthers have been hindered somewhat, with an Implant which allows people to 'see' Stealthed peeps. Not sure what that consists of, not used it myself, but you appear more hazier than normal, I believe.
A lot of people opt for this Imp, so you tend to find that Stealth, for the most part, is limited in its uses.
Yeah, balance wise, it's all good right now. The Terrans have the strongest firepower, slowest reload, the New Conglomorate have, er, I forget, and the Vanu Soverignty (Yay!) has the fastest fire-rate.
The Op battles are amazing though, a battle at one of the Ops on Searhus, that I joined in with last night, was still going strong today, nine hours later.
Nuts. :)
I'd recommend getting back into it.
I would imagine thats because ones a MMORPG, where character development and social activity is the purpose... And the other is a MMOFPS where the point is to kill and win.
Really?! :) That's why I said I've found the best way to enjoy Neocron. It gives lots of things other MMO's don't, but is hindered by horrible PvP full of dickheads. So when I want to PvP in Neocron, I don't, I turn on Planetside and pretend it's Neocron. :P
JackScratch
29-07-04, 20:17
Drible, how does what you are saying about peoples behaviour apply to someone like me. Do you consider my anti Ganking attitude a problem or a reaction? I have become the #1 most hated person on Uranus, not because of what I say, but because of what I am seen to mean. I am against wholesale red=dead, not against PvP. Is your point pro or anti read = dead?
I'ven been playing Neocron for far too long, and recently looked at quiting, again, because I was in a bad way with the game.
Allies killing allies, people being dicks, interaction falling to a minimal, server populations dropping, nothing left to do, etcetc.
Then I hit upon a brainwave.
I went and downloaded Planetside, signed up, got stuck into it for five days solid, and have to say, have enjoyed it, thus far, (Although I do see its limited attention span), and realised the ultimate way to enjoy Neocron.
What is the Wastelands?
It's a levelling experience.
What is the Wastelands when it comes to PvP?
A really shit version of Planetside. :)
So what have I done?
I play Neocron now, for social interaction, with my Clannies, I go hunting mobs for Techparts, and then, when I get to the mood for some PvP, I switch over to Planetside, and cause merry havoc. It's brilliant!!
Keeps me fresh for both games. :)
Hoping to get my Clannies into it too, so that when we cross the border of the zone and get into the Wastelands, we quit out of Neocron, boot up Planetside, and continue on as if nothing's happened. :P
Although, the PS Community is the worst I've ever seen, but still, at least you don't get any grief from them over Chat, no 'HAW HAW U'R SHIT I'M L33T!' Or at least, I've not had it yet. :)
I play NC and SWG for the social aspects but I play PS for fun
you can go out and mindlessly butcher anything that moves thats red lol without worrying, its basically stress relief kill ppl and be killed with no need to stress about losing anything :D:D
although comunity wise SWG has far less arseholes and idiots (they are still there tho) than NC and about 50 times the population hehe
Allies killing allies, people being dicks, ....etcetc.
Better stay away from Saturn, then. ;)
...because ones a MMORPG, where character development...is the purpose...When I first started playing Neocron, it took me a whole 4 months to fully cap 2 characters. I recently started on a different server and fully capped 8 characters in only 3 months. I would say that character development is 15-20% of the Neocron experience, at least for me. The other 80% is standing in plaza asking…”Any OP fights?”…”Any events?”…”Any action?”…”No?”…”I guess I’ll go hunt some more WBs then.”
Of course, most are trying to play NC as a pure MMOFPS... Sadly.I don’t think that’s such a bad thing. You can double the depth of Neocron’s RPG elements (more mobs, more items, more territory, etc.) but it will still come down to the fight. Particularly with BDoY’s empire vs. empire model, everything you do is directly or indirectly related to the war effort.
Regarding PS...Is there a West Coast US server and does anyone know any good clans?
TheGreatMilenko
29-07-04, 20:42
Terran Repulic are the best only thing that really gets in my way is the Vanu Sovernty when they spam Lashers (shoots fast \ big ball \ AOE \ lost of dmg).
I think thats a little overpowered. Vanu are not the guys you wanna fight indoor.
My favorite guys to kill are New Conglomerats they are like free XP for me there so easy to kill.
i play
Terran Republic - Emerald (West Coast US) ;) - i think
Character Name - TheGreatMilenko
But i havent played it for awhile was my 2nd MMO. I quit and went back to Neocron(i quit NC for a year). Only reason i left is because the game sux ass if you dont have a good connection. I had 56k at the time game also sux if you dont have a good computer but i got a good one :).
JackScratch
29-07-04, 20:46
RayBob
You know, NC, much like life, is as involved as you make it. There is plenty of content, too much in my opinion. There is plenty of room for personal politics, individual interaction, and most importantly personal developement, beyond the Faction system. Go start a freeking clan, make some in game goals, damnit, go out there and acomplish something. There is a near infinite forum in this game, and your upset cause all you can find to do is OP fights and huntig? The flaw is not with the game, its with your imagination. That is the real problem here, this game is plagued with unimaginative people who only recognis NC as an FPS, rather than the complete virtual world that it is. Im spending all my time politicing and helping noobs, and let me tell you, I am hated for it, but Im not bored. There is so much you could be doing, the game isnt what is limiting you, thats all in your head.
...and your upset cause all you can find to do is OP fights and huntig?I'm not upset. :) I am shallow and happy to admit it. I want to blow shit up and kill people. I am actually a pretty imaginative person but I have never understood the appeal of role-playing. I mean look at the people that play the Sims Online, pretending to have little houses with pets and backed-up toilets. Jesus, that's not for me.
When I first started playing Neocron, it took me a whole 4 months to fully cap 2 characters. I recently started on a different server and fully capped 8 characters in only 3 months. I would say that character development is 15-20% of the Neocron experience, at least for me. The other 80% is standing in plaza asking…”Any OP fights?”…”Any events?”…”Any action?”…”No?”…”I guess I’ll go hunt some more WBs then.”
Damned colored text, cant be bothered to change it. =P
Character development isn't just leveling, its you. I'm exactly the same way though.
I don’t think that’s such a bad thing. You can double the depth of Neocron’s RPG elements (more mobs, more items, more territory, etc.) but it will still come down to the fight. Particularly with BDoY’s empire vs. empire model, everything you do is directly or indirectly related to the war effort.
Regarding PS...Is there a West Coast US server and does anyone know any good clans?
Fighting is an important part of the game - I agree. But as it stands its all of the game, and its been that way since release.
That is borked.
Maloch Octavia
29-07-04, 21:21
You know, NC, much like life, is as involved as you make it. There is plenty of content, too much in my opinion. There is plenty of room for personal politics, individual interaction, and most importantly personal developement, beyond the Faction system. Go start a freeking clan, make some in game goals, damnit, go out there and acomplish something. There is a near infinite forum in this game, and your upset cause all you can find to do is OP fights and huntig? The flaw is not with the game, its with your imagination. That is the real problem here, this game is plagued with unimaginative people who only recognis NC as an FPS, rather than the complete virtual world that it is. Im spending all my time politicing and helping noobs, and let me tell you, I am hated for it, but Im not bored. There is so much you could be doing, the game isnt what is limiting you, thats all in your head.
A lot of that makes sense, but then, from my point of view, it's not true.
I'm a dedicated PnP Roleplayer, I RP with the best of them, I've done LARP, I've done PnP, I've done Online Freeform, I've done it all.
Came to Neocron, and tried to port all my styles over, and failed, totally.
I set myself different goals, different objectives, achieved some, failed more.
I set up companies to provide services, never got used.
From BaneCollection - "You Want It, We'll Get It.." (Mass advertising, was used once or twice) to playing a proper City Merc, hiring out for money (Didn't work, game mechanics don't allow it), to providing on-site Vehicle Repair & Sales Services. (Zip around the Wastelands, providing on call repairs and maintenance, as well as sales, which failed, no-one used it.)
From running a huge Clan back on Pluto during the good old days, to being part of an excellent Clan on Saturn, from living in the Wastelands as a nomad (Failed, becomes far too lonely, because no-one else will do it), to trying all different classes and styles of gameplay, to being pure combat, to being pure Tradeskill, to hunting mobs and trying to achieve certain loot goals, to being Vice Editor of NeMa, to being a Faction Counsellor, to running NeMA Events, (Who remembers the Regants Fortress NeMa Sponsored Event!? That rocked!), to writing stories in the RPG Forum.
I've done it all, and I can safely say...
As a game, Neocron, does not support a lot of the great ideas out there.
So, I've given up. I'm not going to pretend to set goals for myself, when achieving those goals is mindnumbing and often fruitless (w00t! I got a bigger gun, now I can.. Keep doing what I've been doing... yay....)
Love the game, hate its system. :)
colorpilot
29-07-04, 21:45
here is a trial if u whant to have a go u will need to dowenload planetside first http://cmt.ubisoft.fr/planetside_pcgamer/
u can dowebload planetside from here http://www.download.com/PlanetSide-Free-30-Day-Trial/3000-7453-10249637.html?tag=lst-0-1
Fighting is an important part of the game - I agree. But as it stands its all of the game, and its been that way since release. That is borked.I agree with you that the game could and should have been about a lot more than just the fighting.
…Didn't work, game mechanics don't allow it…I've done it all, and I can safely say...As a game, Neocron, does not support a lot of the great ideas out there.I think that’s the problem. Even the blockheads who just want to fight appreciate the atmosphere created by a game that supports an evolving storyline. But what has changed in 2 years? A few more items to play with and some more mobs to smash, that’s about it. As you say, the game mechanics simply do not support the many possibilities.
Anyhow, this isn’t about Neocron vs. Planetside or any other game. It is possible to play more than one game at the same time. Just take whatever fun you can out of Neocron and do something else when you feel the frustration building.
I'm not upset. :) I am shallow and happy to admit it. I want to blow shit up and kill people. I am actually a pretty imaginative person but I have never understood the appeal of role-playing. I mean look at the people that play the Sims Online, pretending to have little houses with pets and backed-up toilets. Jesus, that's not for me.Dude you are missing out then. The main thing about roleplaying is that its hard to get over that initial feeling of believeing roleplaying is for pussies or something. Its not. You dont have to roleplay a crumpet eating tea sipping nancy boy. You can roleplay anything.
And Im not just talking, act normal, kill people, and say you are rping. But lets just take Shinjin for example. He played on Pluto, and basically killed people. He talked in all caps and acted like a retard. He stayed 100% in roleplay mode. It was amazing. Go to the forum quotes thread for some of his more famous sayings.
Roleplay is deeply intertwined with PvP in Neocron. Tbh I just cant see how either side can any fun in this game without the other. For the RPers not PvPing, and for the PvPers not RPing, I pity both of you.
RayBob just go out an experiment. I will give you step one to great roleplaying. Create a back story for each of your characters. Whats his past? Whats his parents past? Who are his friends, who are his enemies? Does he have any fears? What are his strengths? Build your character to more than just a guy with a gun. Maybe even write him in a story. If you see some one talking in character, strike up a roleplay conversation with them with your characters personality in mind. If you are embarrassed for talking in character around other players (like many people are) then get over it. You will be glad you did.
You dont have to roleplay a crumpet eating tea sipping nancy boy. :lol: :lol: :lol:
...act normal, kill people, and say you are rpingWell, I've never played a griefer. I generally fight enemies and support allies so in that sense I play along with the story. But to be honest, I do it more because I enjoy team-based combat and not because I am role-playing.
A long time ago I used to do sweeps of the aggies telling all TG to "get out of our city" or die, but that just resulted in incredible amounts of abusive language and "OMG, noob killer." Like Maloch said, it is hard when the game mechanics don't help you along. I mean you have TG standing in Plaza 1 laughing at the CA guards.
Create a back story for each of your characters. Whats his past? Whats his parents past? Who are his friends, who are his enemies? Does he have any fears? What are his strengths?...Maybe even write him in a story...If you are embarrassed for talking in character around other players (like many people are) then get over it. You will be glad you did.I'm sorry but that just doesn't appeal to me. I have never ridiculed anyone who RPs and have even engaged in a few such conversations when another person was adamant about staying in role. For example, I remember paying an allied CM clan for their help at an OP fight because the guy just refused to break character. I didn’t mind playing along.
It has nothing to do with embarrassment. For me, the best part of online gaming is working with a good group of mature and skilled players to achieve a common objective. My fondest NC memories will always be the many (but not nearly enough) 40+ minute OP fights. I can still recall the details of fights that took place a year ago—the strategic mistakes that lost the day as well as the victories. I know it sounds shallow, but all I want to do is OP fight.
Well it sounds like you are involved in a few rp situations. And you are right, sometimes roleplay just isnt for every one. But youd be surprised, maybe it doesnt appeal to you because you dont know what you are missing.
I feel your pain with the game mechanics too. Hopefully NC2 will create a better roleplay environment.
how do you roleplay in Neocron?
TheDuckMan
30-07-04, 00:22
Ok I havnt read every post so im not gonna make any comments on past posts or reinforce anything... i just wanna add, the only way i can imagine you can actually enjoy NC at this point is to pretend you: are about 47, do drugs, have sex ever night, your drunk... and to mute all of your channles, stay 0/2, and keep in your LE. lol thats the only way i could possibly enjoy it anymore
Sorry to add the negativity , planetside is a very good game but some people are getting out of hand (in this game). I swear to god its insane how people make a big deal out of a game o_O
edit: i read a post about how single clans ruin a server... <--- agree
how do you roleplay in Neocron?Carefully.
Figure - act as you would nowadays, seeing as the future isn't really different from the current. Its not as if you need to protect the king from dragons and stuff.
Anyone who doesn't have a crappy name, and talks about ingame related stuff... Conflicts, etc... Without going "HURR HURR, OMG U SUCK U BITCH LOL" is playing a role.
Planetside: Good for the 30 days it costs 5 quid for (Not free trial :()
Richard Slade
30-07-04, 00:39
Planetside: Good for the 30 days it costs 5 quid for (Not free trial :()
There's a free trial somewhere
Hence why you just get another trial when your first account expires, no loss in that
colorpilot
30-07-04, 15:48
here is a trial if u whant to have a go u will need to dowenload planetside first http://cmt.ubisoft.fr/planetside_pcgamer/
u can dowebload planetside from here http://www.download.com/PlanetSide-...tml?tag=lst-0-1
1.dowenload planet side from the link i gave u to dowenload it
2.get a cd key for the 7 day trail the link is at the top and then
3.make a planet side acount u well be able to do this wants u have instaled planet side
if u have any trubles pm me
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Sorry, I didn't even notice what was in your post... All I noticed was that artifact 5 slotted sig.
:p
(yes, on Friday's shallowness is allowed :p)
Sorry, I didn't even notice what was in your post... All I noticed was that artifact 5 slotted sig.
:p
(yes, on Friday's shallowness is allowed :p)
ditto
you know sigs can be 100 pixels high :angel: might be able to get some breast in
colorpilot
30-07-04, 18:59
who my sig ?? :D
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