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Seeing as how beta got put back a week, meaning there will be 31 days of testing before neocron 2 server's go live, and probably less then 2 weeks before neocron 2 has to go gold to start shipping, will the release slip?
Yes/no, simple poll
no, it will come on time........damn u now am gonna have nightmares about nc being delayed.....
juvestar15
21-07-04, 19:04
Won't be delayed. I pray to God that the beta tests goes good.
I'll give you a hot tip, if beta doesn't go well, NC2 is fucked.
Then maybe we need Glok to come up with a way to unfuck it. :D
Won't be delayed. I pray to God that the beta tests goes good.
I'll give you a hot tip, if beta doesn't go well, NC2 is fucked.
Then maybe we need Glok to come up with a way to unfuck it. :Djesus christ club what are you still doing up? :D
If bDoY gets pushed back to after The Matrix: Online comes out, KK is fucked... I know I'd leave, not worth paying 30 a month for the promise of vaporware.
If bDoY gets pushed back to after The Matrix: Online comes out, KK is fucked... I know I'd leave, not worth paying 30 a month for the promise of vaporware.
Matrix Online will be shit - More people will play Guild Wars.
I vote yes cause timelines isnt kk strong side... fixes and patches are...
Vaporware lol, love that word.
As much as I hate to be cynical about these things, assuming a beta start of 23/07/04, add four weeks on to that for beta, plus a week of close down while they (hopefully) get the chance to fix any bugs found during beta, then another two weeks to go gold and distribute to the retailers.. well, thats not September 1st. I could live with a delay of a week or two, but the forums would probably explode!
Of course, its possible that the version they release is the same version that gets beta tested and any bugs found during beta are put in a patch that will closely follow the retail release. They'd probably be able to keep the deadline that way, but again, there would be forum angst :D
juvestar15
21-07-04, 19:08
jesus christ club what are you still doing up? :D
I tried sleeping but i can't. I forgot i got like 10 gig left to download for this month. I intend on using it. Can't think of anything to download though.
I tried sleeping but i can't. I forgot i got like 10 gig left to download for this month. I intend on using it. Can't think of anything to download though.porn, porn and more porn
Shadow Dancer
21-07-04, 19:11
I too think it will be delayed. :(
I hope they work the beta testers hard, and give them instructions on what to test(if necassary).
Then maybe we need Glok to come up with a way to unfuck it. :DIf it is left up to me, NC2 is doomed. :lol:
juvestar15
21-07-04, 19:13
porn, porn and more porn
Na i don't risk it.
Lets get back on topic :)
I wouldnt mind delaying NC2 a month if there were no bugs when it comes out.
Na i don't risk it.
Lets get back on topic :)
I wouldnt mind delaying NC2 a month if there were no bugs when it comes out.Lets be realistic, even two months beta isnt enough to make a KK game anywhere near bugfree :(
Vampire222
21-07-04, 19:15
i really trust kk will keep their schedule this time...
I'm not so sure it'll be a problem. If you go by the "NC2 can't be a sequel because not enough has changed" people, then not much has changed therefore there isn't much to test. ;)
It's all running off the same basic system, so I don't think there's much scope for showstopping bugs that can't be fixed in the time available. Upgrading the engine to DX9 is probably the key part, and it could both solve a lot of problems and cause some new ones at the same time.
Also, KK might be considering the beta as more of a bug hunt than a bug squishing exercise. I.e. get the testers in, list every bug possible, and then dedicate the initial weeks after release to solving them as well as whatever can be done during the beta itself. Though that would be extremely risky IMO, given most of the community's lack of faith, they'll get NC2, see some bugs, come to the forum and say how they predicted that all along and then quit. 2 months later NC2 will run like a charm but nobody will be around to play it.
Yeah wouldn't mind if it was put back due to extending beta cuz imo a month or so isn't exactly a long period to beta what they claim to be a almost brand new product.... NC2
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Still next-to-no marketing = I vote "yes". :(
slaughteruall
21-07-04, 20:38
KK has never shown me any reason to trust they will keep this date.
On a side note. HELLO CARNI i see you joined us on the dark side of things.
slaughter
greendonkeyuk
21-07-04, 20:45
im gonna refuse to comment on this issue until september 1st i think. A lot can change in a month.
slaughteruall
21-07-04, 22:06
im gonna refuse to comment on this issue until september 1st i think. A lot can change in a month.
Not with this company. They proved it again today with the remote repair tool.
Slaughter
2 months later NC2 will run like a charm but nobody will be around to play it.
I fear the same @_@
If KK plan to pull in people in the long run, they STILL need to realise that advertising will be neccessary. Even if it's just very subtle, its still getting the point accross that 'This is Neocron 2, play it.'
I'd say yes it will prob be delayed, but it is still possible to make the release. They could easily have the games (disk etc) made up atm and ship it on time, patching in any fixes before it goes retail or in the first few days, just depends how stable its running atm, if its alot better than nc1 is atm it wold prob be a safe idea, if its worse or the same as nc1 is atm, imo the beta will need to be extended.
Cyphor, you bring up a good point. They could run beta all the way to Sept 1 and compile patches and have them ready on the day of release. Thinking of it that way, Sept 1 looks pretty good.
To be real honest, i still love playing nc and all, and look forward to NC2, but they have completely taken away my enthusiasm and need for it. I guess I've been dulled a bit and am unable to get excited about unsure things. So, I am with Marx.
That said, I do believe they will release it on Sept. 1st.
If they release September 1st it will be very buggy and the servers won't be able to handle all the people UNLESS they have been testing the crap out of it internally and found the cause and solution for not being able to have more than 70 players in a zone without the server crashing.
So far I haven't read anywhere about heavy internal testing or servers being
able to handle the current load let alone many new customers.
Not trying to be negative, but that's what I see so far. :(
If they release September 1st it will be very buggy and the servers won't be able to handle all the people
I really doubt we'll have alot of people coming in at release. If that was what was truly desired, the advertising process would've started already.
Its better for the game to have people come in over time rather than all in one lump sum.
If they release September 1st it will be very buggy and the servers won't be able to handle all the people UNLESS they have been testing the crap out of it internally and found the cause and solution for not being able to have more than 70 players in a zone without the server crashing.
So far I haven't read anywhere about heavy internal testing or servers being
able to handle the current load let alone many new customers.
Not trying to be negative, but that's what I see so far. :(
You missed the whole part about the beta being delayed due to waiting for the new server hardware then?
If it went gold and was there to be sold on sep 1st KK could just have bug fixing patches ready on sep 1st so youd have to patch up before playing, this would let them keep the deadline and fix the bugs but with KKs patch record and its ability to completly up fuck somthing unrelated to what theyve done this may be a very bad decision.
Im not sure but for the sake of the client working well on lanuch day i think it will be delayed.
Edit. Sorry for spelling, very tired :(
its been asked time and time again. please, no nay say threads
just have a little faith
How do you expect us to believe that this game is going to be in stores on september 1st. Im in no way trying to flame, but that is about a good month away, and the beta is just about to start? Not only that but i dont think they can make copies of the game and send them to stores in a day. So who else is just waiting for the delay msg like me. And if they do have the game in stores on september 1st, then major props to you, but it better not be bugg o' cron.
I'm going to allow this thread as it is a valid concern. Reakktor have deadlines upon them from their publishers, distributors etc. that mean they have to meet that date, so there's no reason to suggest that they are about to miss it.
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Well, they have stated numerous times that they have been working on BDOY for a very long time. Publishing problems only gave them even more time to work on it. My hopes are that they've just done so much inhouse testing that the closed beta is just a stress test and to iron some last minute things out. As far as getting it released and published by sept 1st. Not sure but it usually takes about 14 days or less for most other games to go from Gold status to on the shelves.
That is the optimal situation. With a game like neocron that can be constantly patched. I don't think its as urgent to have a completey polished product the day its put on shelves(even though thats what we would all hope for).
But i'm definitely with you. I don't think a little under a month is enough time to even give the beta testers enough time to do a thorough job. Lets pray they are some damn good testers/bugfinders or we could have a problem IMO.
I'd rather ave another delay than a bugged game to get into.
Gah :( Niddy you could have opened it before i tryed to apply my message :( have to type it again :p >_<
The beta test can run up untill the 1st of september even if the game has been sent to the duplicators and is sitting in boxes in store rooms of shops waiting to be stuck on the shelves for sep 1st all they have to do is have patches ready for the 1st of september when the servers go live and TA DA, bugs fixed and date met how ever i think that would be cutting it pretty damn fine, lol
I have no reason to believe they will miss their deadline.
enigma_b17
22-07-04, 12:02
Im curious, i dont know if any1 in kk can answer this but, can u guarantee that the level of bugs and other problems this game has will decrase by a decent amount when BDoY goes retail? The people of this community have put up with alot, im not sayin they avent got anything out of it, simply that in comparison to other mmorpgs this game has to ave one of the highest bug levels. Id really appreciate an answer if any1 gets a minute to read this :)
I have no reason to believe they will miss their deadline.
you really think that they will have neocron 2 in your hands in a month?
Im curious, i dont know if any1 in kk can answer this but, can u guarantee that the level of bugs and other problems this game has will decrase by a decent amount when BDoY goes retail? The people of this community have put up with alot, im not sayin they avent got anything out of it, simply that in comparison to other mmorpgs this game has to ave one of the highest bug levels. Id really appreciate an answer if any1 gets a minute to read this :)
Well, I'm obviously not connected to KK, but I can honestly say I think many of the bugs we hate today will be lessened or squashed, as many of them are technical in nature.
For example, syncing and FREs are some of the most annoying problems for people, and with higher spec servers as well as a more efficient way of handling the database, don't you think syncing could be cut down? As far as FREs, it seems related to memory leaks and such, who knows what will happen there. Bad FPS is another technical problem people hate, which won't be an issue due to the engine being changed to support DirectX9 which utilizes modern graphics cards and relieves load off the processor.
As far as balancing type bugs, only time will tell I guess.
you really think that they will have neocron 2 in your hands in a month?
I'm a fairly optimistic person, so yes I do believe they will keep their deadline. Not in a month though, that's before their deadline.
enigma_b17
22-07-04, 12:18
i originally voted yes, but on second thoughts they probably will. I was just looking back over the couple of years ive been playin, and I think its a fair assesment to say that the release of BDoY will be the make or break of neocron for kk. If they can get it out ontime, bug free (to a certain extent, every game has bugs), then i can see it taking off, but if they dont, its the end of neocron and kk. If it isnt arrived on deadline id say the majority of the vets in this game at the moment who havent already left will probably do so. Saying that ill probably still play it as Im not really waitin for doy that much, i like the game as it is.
Richard Slade
22-07-04, 12:26
Of course it will be delayed, it already is by more than a year so why not a little more ?
Who cares. KK tend to delay.. big deal.
If they released it on time the usual whiners would just find something else to whine about.
i originally voted yes, but on second thoughts they probably will. I was just looking back over the couple of years ive been playin, and I think its a fair assesment to say that the release of BDoY will be the make or break of neocron for kk. If they can get it out ontime, bug free (to a certain extent, every game has bugs), then i can see it taking off, but if they dont, its the end of neocron and kk. If it isnt arrived on deadline id say the majority of the vets in this game at the moment who havent already left will probably do so. Saying that ill probably still play it as Im not really waitin for doy that much, i like the game as it is.
I dont think it would be the end of KK, maybe neocron but i hope iot doesnt come to that, according to alot of the KK employees and even Mr MJS KK are in a perfectly fine finacial situation, the thing i would like if this is true KK hire more staff :p
Who cares. KK tend to delay.. big deal.
If they released it on time the usual whiners would just find something else to whine about.
Exactly, no matter what KK does, some people always seem to complain. What if Neocron was delayed to squash bug X? "Well good job KK, you've managed to **** up again" is what they'd say. Or what if Neocron was delayed because some government agency decided to close off that particular area for safety reasons, the same people would still complain to KK and say things like "Why couldn't you pick a different spot to set up servers you morons." And if Neocron came on time, the same people would complain that the beta wasn't long enough to squash bugs. I guarantee we will see the complaints no matter what.
i would rather wait a couple of weeks and have a reliable connection than a rush job and bugs
Vampire222
22-07-04, 12:38
i would rather wait a couple of weeks and have a reliable connection than a rush job and bugs
Well said.
i would rather wait a couple of weeks and have a reliable connection than a rush job and bugs
Couple of weeks? Been waiting a couple of years already and still have bad connections and bugs. :confused:
Dribble Joy
22-07-04, 16:21
When was the first sneal peak? Months ago.
The HUD has been tested, afaik the engine is done.
The beta is most likely for final testing of true server conditions (if low numbers), PvP balance, WoC, missions, NPCs and the nitty gritty stuff.
I just hope that they give the testers things to do, rather than just releasing them into the game and to bimble about untill they find something wrong.
That's a tough question...
Which would you prefer,
1. BDoY on time with some bugs
or
2. BDoY delayed with no bugs?
I'm kinda gravitating to number 1, yet I think number 2 would probably be better for the game as a whole....
heh the options i think fit the two types of player nc2 will bring tho
1) First timers, people looking to buy doy and give nc a try for the first would prolly prefer it to be on time and experience the bugs themselves
2) The long timers wouldn't mind a bit of a delay (used to it by now i spose) and see the bugs finally squashed (i dunno how long i have hoped the bugs will be squashed and i pray they will be finally)
me personally prolly 2
would suck if it did get delayed, but in the plus side, would allow me more time to recap tank, cap hybrid and recap my PE
Seeing as how beta got put back a week, meaning there will be 31 days of testing before neocron 2 server's go live, and probably less then 2 weeks before neocron 2 has to go gold to start shipping, will the release slip?
Yes/no, simple poll The game is already gold. I'm sure the datas are at the manufacturors. Of cause there will be a patch for NC2 at 1.9. thats the normal way to do an MMOrpg. It's totally differnt to a "normal" game cause the publish has the gurantee that every customer has a I-net connection( no point in playing NC without a I-net connection ;)) and can download the patch.
MMORPGS are always bananaware. Can you think of any MMORPG that had a smooth start? Server breakdowns, exploits etc are the normal features of an MMORPG at the start. If you want some stability wait 2 month after the start.
The game is already gold. I'm sure the datas are at the manufacturors. Of cause there will be a patch for NC2 at 1.9. thats the normal way to do an MMOrpg. It's totally differnt to a "normal" game cause the publish has the gurantee that every customer has a I-net connection( no point in playing NC without a I-net connection ;)) and can download the patch.
MMORPGS are always bananaware. Can you think of any MMORPG that had a smooth start? Server breakdowns, exploits etc are the normal features of an MMORPG at the start. If you want some stability wait 2 month after the start.
lol dunno AO wasnt stable even after a year either.
think i remember UO being sucky also, but back then we were all on 56k connection so meh
Shadow Dancer
22-07-04, 17:59
I just hope that they give the testers things to do, rather than just releasing them into the game and to bimble about untill they find something wrong.
Yea me too.
That's a tough question...
Which would you prefer,
1. BDoY on time with some bugs
or
2. BDoY delayed with no bugs?
I'm kinda gravitating to number 1, yet I think number 2 would probably be better for the game as a whole....
There's no way that any mmorpg will ever have "no bugs". So I don't consider #2 a possibility. I think if it has never been delayed, I could wait. But enough's enough. There comes a time when you just have to release the damn thing. meh
Yea me too.
There's no way that any mmorpg will ever have "no bugs". So I don't consider #2 a possibility. I think if it has never been delayed, I could wait. But enough's enough. There comes a time when you just have to release the damn thing. mehchange no bugs to fewer ;)
Gah :( Niddy you could have opened it before i tryed to apply my message :( have to type it again :p >_<
The beta test can run up untill the 1st of september even if the game has been sent to the duplicators and is sitting in boxes in store rooms of shops waiting to be stuck on the shelves for sep 1st all they have to do is have patches ready for the 1st of september when the servers go live and TA DA, bugs fixed and date met how ever i think that would be cutting it pretty damn fine, lol
This is a truly terrible idea. Even contemplating it fills me with unspeakable dread.
Any company stupid enough to gamble their future on such a plan doesn't deserve to survive.
Put money on it
Virtually guaranteed it will
Cudnt even order servers for beta on time lol
Wouldent suprise me, but i hope\think it wont. :)
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