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awkward silence
16-07-04, 22:19
Ok please kk look into these following points.
Ok droners can position themselves the in places in certain areas like tg where they can go over the cliff and drone = not getting killed. You can follow and kill them but ie. ppu can get owned by a raptor before that.
Also i found a place with my rifle spy where i cannot be targeted. I cant target there either but a friend tested it on a droner... . Probably those who have looked have found more.
Droner as a class is well balanced but the chance for them to exploit are endless ie. a tank cant shoot from the other side of a cliff ...a droner can.
That cliff was not meant to be such that you could go over it.
Im posting this here since it will not get any attention by kk if i mail em !!
Perhaps i sould make a droner ...exploit, make videos, post em here, get edited, get a threat that i will be banned, get banned/leave all that for helping kk since they ignore ya otherwise well tend to (you guys must know a exaple).
Would get rid of my neocrack problem before school and maybe kk will look into it. There are also places you can target ppl without them seeing ya.
So this is not just against droners.
waiting...
They should make the high cliff (boundry) areas toxic so if you are there for more then 10 seconds you die.
Gotterdammerung
16-07-04, 22:55
Any area accessable by a droner is accessable by anyone else. If he uses foot power or hovertec it's not like he can't be gotten to. Should you make a personal choice to play a character where you have no points spec'd for vehicles then that is your choice, but just because you can't drive up to a spot and get him doesn't make it wrong.
Also, if you feel that you have found something that is actually an exploit please follow the procedure for reporting it. The policy for discussing things of this nature on the forum is crystal clear.
steweygrrr
16-07-04, 22:57
Any area accessable by a droner is accessable by anyone else. If he uses foot power or hovertec it's not like he can't be gotten to. Should you make a personal choice to play a character where you have no points spec'd for vehicles then that is your choice, but just because you can't drive up to a spot and get him doesn't make it wrong.
Also, if you feel that you have found something that is actually an exploit please follow the procedure for reporting it. The policy for discuccing things of this nature on the forum is crystal clear.
*KAPOW!*
owned :p
Mr Friendly
16-07-04, 23:15
Ok please kk look into these following points.
Ok droners can position themselves the in places in certain areas like tg where they can go over the cliff and drone = not getting killed. You can follow and kill them but ie. ppu can get owned by a raptor before that.
Also i found a place with my rifle spy where i cannot be targeted. I cant target there either but a friend tested it on a droner... . Probably those who have looked have found more.
Droner as a class is well balanced but the chance for them to exploit are endless ie. a tank cant shoot from the other side of a cliff ...a droner can.
That cliff was not meant to be such that you could go over it.
Im posting this here since it will not get any attention by kk if i mail em !!
Perhaps i sould make a droner ...exploit, make videos, post em here, get edited, get a threat that i will be banned, get banned/leave all that for helping kk since they ignore ya otherwise well tend to (you guys must know a exaple).
Would get rid of my neocrack problem before school and maybe kk will look into it. There are also places you can target ppl without them seeing ya.
So this is not just against droners.
waiting...
actually incorrect
the only exploit droners have that u cant really fix has to do with Mc5, but as this is the forums & like any other exploit, it cant be said
Fight fire with fire - droners with droners.
Or just find a way to distract the droner then send someone after their body.
Why is it that anything that requires a small amount of tactics to overcome is immediately branded by some as an 'exploit'?
Athon Solo
sanityislost
16-07-04, 23:34
the only problem i see with drones is.........the crappy controls they gotta
put up with to fly.
SiL ..:..
Any area accessable by a droner is accessable by anyone else. If he uses foot power or hovertec it's not like he can't be gotten to. Should you make a personal choice to play a character where you have no points spec'd for vehicles then that is your choice, but just because you can't drive up to a spot and get him doesn't make it wrong.
Also, if you feel that you have found something that is actually an exploit please follow the procedure for reporting it. The policy for discussing things of this nature on the forum is crystal clear.
is the third ridge at mb foot power or hovertech power?
*KAPOW!*
owned :p
Did you say KAPOWNED?
:lol:
Maloch Octavia
17-07-04, 00:13
From: Expl0its@neocron.com
To: Mrwhin0r@iwantmymom.com
Subject: j00r whinz0r
Dear Mr Whin0r
Having recieved your complaint with regards to those players whom decide to Specialise themselves as Drone Combat players, and your demand that something be done about the constant 'Expl01tng' they do, we have here, a pre-defined reply which is sent to all such queries, of which there are many.
1: j00 r pwn'd
2: Please realise that Droners are not exploiters, and anywhere a Droner can get, a normal player can also reach.
3: Please remember that the Droner will always kill you if you focus on the Drone.
4: Please remember that when you have been pwnd by a Droner, do not run screaming to the Forums, because it makes you look weak.
5: Please get a grip on reality, adapt to the Droners combat style and find a good way to combat him, as people had to do when Poison became popular, as people had to do when Melee became popular, and so on, so forth.
j00r's,
The Neocron Expl01t3rs Team
P.S: j00'v b33n pwnd
is the third ridge at mb foot power or hovertech power?Thats /set reset_postion 1 power.
most drones can fly to the zone ceiling, so what? kinda nice considering a spy dies if you sneeze on him
Maloch Octavia
17-07-04, 00:22
most drones can fly to the zone ceiling, so what? kinda nice considering a spy dies if you sneeze on him
Exactly!!
I've argued this out so many times, but a few weeks later, I have to re-argue it because someone has been killed by a Droner and can't handle it.
Get a grip.
Seriously though, a proper Droner, is lucky if he makes it to his launch location half the time, and even luckier if he gets away from it after Pk'ing some people. I die to the slightest thing, I'm pure, 110% Droner, and I do kill quite easily, but I myself, am killed even easier. With 0 Resists, all my Strength & Con is put into Transport and movement based skills, I die if someone lets rip a stinker.
So work with it, either get a Droner alt yourself (I know someone has left their Droner sitting in a certain zone where I go Pk'ing regularly, just to combat me, and they usually end up succeeding too, because I don't expect it), or find new and alternative ways to hunt us down, or, just shut up and get on with things.,=
I personally don't see your argument here and i have 8+ months of droning experience. And i'm not talking about on and off, i'm talking about playing my main character for 8+ months straight. IN fact, Although admittedly not capped....a tank can go from the center of a zone and run to the edge of that zone before you can kill him with a PN or mosquito if he has a great resist setup. A)tanks are fast and B) drones can't zone before you can kill him. Also you can send a stealthed spy into that area and he can search and comb that area till the sun goes down until the meatsack is found. SO basically, unless its a op war, the best way to defeat a droner? clear the area, send a stealthed spy in and locate his meatsack. TBH, being a droner has the odds stacked against you heavily because a drone can't zone and a droner can't see stealthers looking for your body.
third ridge on MB can also be hovertec power if you did not know so if it is done with hover then no exploit and if a droner can go there everybody else can
Thats /set reset_postion 1 power.
I thought that was fixed ages ago.
Bikes can get up there though.
tbh a droner gets it too easy I'm lvling a droner I can drive a hovertech and get up a cliff with a good run TG for example I could own so many people which I plan on doing. They would have no chance they try to spawn a vehical at that depot I'll kill them the raptor does really nasty damage you can't out heal it and if you don't run your dead simple. Unless your an apu who don't have to target your screwed people saying adapt blah blah piss me off cos its them that play droners they don't want to fight cos there shit. You people who play droners get it so easy I have seen a raptor like so high up I had to switch to first person to target its bullshit and cos of its speed + lag I could fuck all to kill it. Its not hard at all to drive a fucking hovetech up some cliff where no one can get too it on foot and nid like everyones gonna have a vehical to get there O_o the point is not many people would gimp to drive a hovertech this is a big problem at CRP btw I'm hunting on my pe and some stupid raptor drone starts shooting me its lose lsoe lose it rips anyone apart
Edit: but thankfully there are not that many droners and its becos they can be a pain to lvl it gets boring its the most boring class to lvl as I have found its like hold mouse button down till mob is dead. But god if you come accross a drone that owns you will know what its like you dead befor you can running 100 meters
Exactly!!
I've argued this out so many times, but a few weeks later, I have to re-argue it because someone has been killed by a Droner and can't handle it.
Get a grip.
Hear! Hear! Every nerf the droners thread seems to be 9/10 started by someone who get killed by a droner. 8|
Hear! Hear! Every nerf the droners thread seems to be 9/10 started by someone who get killed by a droner. 8|
Yeah buts how fast they get killed befor the patch I was like oh its a drone I'll take a few shots at it and most of the time I had to find cover. after the patch I thought again oh its a drone fuck fuck its killing me :eek: so I run and I'm totaly dead O_o
Edit: I was on my nib ppu at CRP and some TG tank was blasting me I could not do anything so I started running to cycrow outpost <-- spelling to get into the underground. Then all of a sudden a BD raptor comes beaming down and the tank is dead in less than 5 seconds I did praise the drone but fucking hell he was buffed O_o
honestly right stand and let a raptor drone shoot you till you die and see how fast it kills you its allmost as fast an APU and the problem is you can't hit it well you could but not likely :rolleyes:
Edit: ok 2 things to make drones balanced cos there far from balanced REMOVE the flash they get when there hit increase there hitpoints slighty make them faster. Make them targetable FFS and there mobile repair time shorter then it will be like fighting another player only remotely and not some POS fly in the sky you can't hit and it will kill you if you don't hide
is the third ridge at mb foot power or hovertech power?
Neither.
Thats /set reset_postion 1 power.
Not sure what zones but to my knowledge the only way to get up there is by exploiting.
third ridge on MB can also be hovertec power if you did not know so if it is done with hover then no exploit and if a droner can go there everybody else can
Total BS. So should people exploit to get an exploiter?
Fight fire with fire - droners with droners.
Or just find a way to distract the droner then send someone after their body.
Why is it that anything that requires a small amount of tactics to overcome is immediately branded by some as an 'exploit'?
Athon Solo
Amen!
Exploits are bugs fuckit! When will people learn?
Anything that is meant to be there but not a playstyle is just a tactic! Sadly even if abused.
i dunno what it is, but sometimes i immediatly know where a droner is in a zone
hiding in some places is an exploit, and i have reported them.
a VERY good droner can kill people as well as a pistol spy....and a pistol spy is no match for the good ol monks or tanks.
Yeah drones do very good damage, well heres some news for you...drones can't be buffed like APUs can and become indestructible, drones screw over in a few hits and blow up. Spells can be used indefinetely you have to build drones through a painfull assfuck experience of 4 hours.
if drones are sooooo good i'm sure we'll see more of them then pistol spies on uranus or rifle spies for that matter.
Also drones give rifles one and the only use. Barely..a tank can easily take a drone down with ravager, monks with hl, ppus with parashock, and every other class even pistols can take drones to some degree due to the insane range every weapon somehow obtains in Neocron. And if the drone pwns you? trust me it ain't easy flying expensive precious drones is the hardest thing you can encounter in Neocron, without a compass, shittyy controls and still trying to hit someone.
yea i know how to get up there, it was sarcasm, but i spose u cant show that with text.
is this not exploiting if the droner goes up there and drones? coz u cant hit the droner unless you exploit to get up there
if i cant find the drone ill just keep blowing up his drones until he runs out and heads for the genrep.
love my storm laser cannon.
drones can't be buffed like APUs can and become indestructible
o_O since when was a APU buffed by a PPU indestructable?, if they dont have a holy heal running 24/7 APU's die easy enough even with buffs.
Drones are a problem, i do like that they at last now are a viable class to play, they do great dmg but in the same sense they should have zero defense, like an APU.
They have better range than a APU, they can take more hits than a APU, they can self repair "heal" when an APU can't, and if the Droner is nicely hidden away, they can drop multiple targets before dying if they are found.
Spies are weak, as weak as a APU, but there are ways to get good setups and so on, but to tbh a droner should be weak as hell as their power is in their drones.
I would agree with LiL T about changing the things on drones, hitpoints and target box etc...
There is also a certain thing people use when zoning to get to spots you can not get to even with a hovertech, i can't obviously state what that is coz it would break forum rules, but if GM's don't know it, then your not playing the game often enough tbh, at least not keeping in touch with the player base anyway.
steweygrrr
17-07-04, 12:22
o_O since when was a APU buffed by a PPU indestructable?, if they dont have a holy heal running 24/7 APU's die easy enough even with buffs.
Drones are a problem, i do like that they at last now are a viable class to play, they do great dmg but in the same sense they should have zero defense, like an APU.
They have better range than a APU, they can take more hits than a APU, they can self repair "heal" when an APU can't, and if the Droner is nicely hidden away, they can drop multiple targets before dying if they are found.
Spies are weak, as weak as a APU, but there are ways to get good setups and so on, but to tbh a droner should be weak as hell as their power is in their drones.
I would agree with LiL T about changing the things on drones, hitpoints and target box etc...
There is also a certain thing people use when zoning to get to spots you can not get to even with a hovertech, i can't obviously state what that is coz it would break forum rules, but if GM's don't know it, then your not playing the game often enough tbh, at least not keeping in touch with the player base anyway.
YoDa, the last bit afaik was fixed as part of the MC5 exploit fixes.
But a droner has a better range than an APU? Don't make me laugh! The useful drones have a range of around 75m, HL has around 140. They can take more hits than an APU? Are you kidding?? Drones go down in about 5 or 6 hits from an HL!
Droners ARE weak! Spec poision and Raptors aren't really that huge of a problem. Find his meatsack and what chance does he have of surviving that encounter? Precisely none. The drone heal takes FAR too long to finish and all the while you can't fire. Since when did any other class stop firing when a heal started on them? A drone can drop multiple targets before it dies. Gee whizz so can any player using any other kind of weapon.
*APU and Droner player*
Mr Friendly
17-07-04, 14:13
third ridge on MB can also be hovertec power if you did not know so if it is done with hover then no exploit and if a droner can go there everybody else can
riding up a glitch isnt hovertec power bud =)
But a droner has a better range than an APU? Don't make me laugh! The useful drones have a range of around 75m, HL has around 140. They can take more hits than an APU? Are you kidding?? Drones go down in about 5 or 6 hits from an HL!
A capped or near capped droner can fly a drone across a zone.
Droners ARE weak!...
The point isn't the droner, it is that some droners are using exploits to get to areas that you have to exploit to kill them (unless your a droner) or some using areas they cannot be attacked from.
YoDa, the last bit afaik was fixed as part of the MC5 exploit fixes.
But a droner has a better range than an APU? Don't make me laugh! The useful drones have a range of around 75m, HL has around 140. They can take more hits than an APU? Are you kidding?? Drones go down in about 5 or 6 hits from an HL!
Droners ARE weak! Spec poision and Raptors aren't really that huge of a problem. Find his meatsack and what chance does he have of surviving that encounter? Precisely none. The drone heal takes FAR too long to finish and all the while you can't fire. Since when did any other class stop firing when a heal started on them? A drone can drop multiple targets before it dies. Gee whizz so can any player using any other kind of weapon.
*APU and Droner player*
The last bit as you call it, is not fixed, people still doing today.
Drones can cover an entire zone, while the droner itself is nicely hiden away the drone has the ability to reach anything and anyone, the firing range is a different matter, yet we see a PN can hit from a big distance, sure the raptor needs to be closer, but with current hitbox and server lag it is almost impossible to target and make a hit count, and only a APU can really take out a drone effectively.
Spec poison for a raptor ? funny that all classes die to a raptor, even ppu's, even a good ppu won't stay about when 2 raptors on on them.
Anyway...............
I agree if an exploit exist it needs to be fixed, but some of the arguments people pull over are just plain ridiculous.
The PN can shoot about as far as HL. A Drone suffers several disadvantages its vision is impaired when hit, it cannot be buffed and healed, self repair makes you useless, the crappy controls, and if you are an APU tank or rifle spie who spots a drone and can't kill if no offence, but you suck. Hate bringing the skill concept into the equation, but there is no difficulty in targeting drones with the current range in pistols, beam cannons and psi spells.
Yoda if drones can beat APUs solo, its agreeable, but my point is that with a PPU APUS rule drones and everything else, while a PPU can give a droner , drone 3....
and the final point I have to make IF DRONERS were so GOOD why do they still remain one of the rarest classes next to the rifle PE in game?
and apart from MB where else is a droner useful, when we appear in the godamn local list, also any dumbass knows to run for shelter when getting hit by a drone, much like the whole sniper theory. If a PPU dies to 1 or 2 raptor then they suck, I can easily handle them on my PPU who isn't even the best, and controlled by a crap player. With a DS , capped dex and good resist setup there is no way in hell 1-2 raptors can take a good ppu down.
and so drones can kill people...so what,...? are they much of a problem compared to the other imbalances right now? I don't think so.
Maloch Octavia
17-07-04, 18:15
Every time, again and again, over and over.. *Sighs*
Droning
- The Downsides
1: Your body is a static target. You do not know if someone is standing right in front of you, whilst you are flying your Drone elsewhere, often, you only realise someone is there, when you suddenly drop your drone and appear lying dead on the ground.
2: Bloodflash often doesn't work, so you don't even know you're being hit, I've often only found out I'm under attack, by either when I suddenly gain a Con or Str level, or my Armour is damaged, message appears.
3: You have to gimp 100% to droning to be seriously effective. All points in Willpower, all points in Remote Control, majority of points in Transport and Endurance, with zero Resists.
4: Drones tend to bug out when trying to launch them, meaning you drop more Drones than you fly, if you're really unlucky.
5: Drones have horrible vertical controls, it doesn't matter what angle you're pointing at, if you're going in a straight line, guarantee you'll be heading towards the ground as well, giving your target time to run, because..
6: Drones have a nasty habit of getting stuck in the floor or walls, giving your target plenty of time to destroy your precious Drone, which often happens because of..
7: Damage flash, which occurs constantly, if you're taking fire from a Pistol or Gatlin totting enemy. I've had occassions where I've seen my target, he's started shooting, and that's the last I see because of flash, until my Drone blows up.
8: For every Drone that blows up, you need to waste more time, relaunching another, and getting it back there, giving your enemy time to heal, buff and run, or call for backup.
9: Whilst you're Droning, people can be scanning around for you, and so you need to keep moving, meaning you spend more time running around hiding than actually fighting.
10: Droning is an irritating past-time, with most Researchers flat out refusing to to Drone work, because of the tedium, and Repairing being unviable, as generally your Drone will be destroyed in PvP before it becomes wrecked.
11: You tend to run out of cabinet space very quickly, and find you need to spec heavily in Transport just so you can stay out in the field for a while.
12: Whilst your Teammates are busy engaging in battle, you're flying around trying to wonder where the fuck you are, and end up dropping the Drone so you can launch another and head off in the right direction.
13: You're chasing someone and they zone, but your Drone can't, and so you have to fly it all the way back, then run after them, or just let it go. Worse yet, is to put up with zone hoggers.
14: You can't tell who is around your Drone, so you've got to get up close and check every person before opening fire, giving time for retaliation or alert.
15: You can't check if someone is Le'd until you shoot them, which again wastes time and the element of surprise.
16: If your Drone is under attack, you have to Repair it, which uses Ammo, and takes a long time to complete, during which you cannot attack, and are an easy target.
17: It costs a fortune to research and construct your Drones, because you go through them by the truckload.
18: You can't buff your Drone, and the most powerful Drones tend to have the weakest armour, making them easy pray for APU's.
19: You can't use your RPOS screen whilst Droning, meaning if you need to quickly check the map, or check Inventory, or anything, you need to return or drop your Drone.
20: You need to pick your hiding place carefully, meaning more often than not, by the time you've found your target and hid yourself, he's gone and buggered off.
21: Drones are susceptible to their AoE weaponary, and people have a blissful ignorance of Drone AoE in caves and suchlike, with people finally understanding tanks and AoE, they've totally ignored the flying tincans, especially those tanks with AoE.
22: We only have one really workable Dungeon where we can level our Dex and Int, because anywhere else, you go through far too many Drones.
23: Drones find it hard to fit into everyday routine, because we need to take special care about how we treat our bodies, and there are frankly, a lot of places we can never go by ourselves, because of our crap Resists.
24: People keep moaning at you for killing them with your Drone, just because they can't reach you, because you took the time to spec to a Hovertec, and found a route to the top of the highest cliff, or whatever, legally, by simply using a bit of the old back and forth routine.
25: People automatically assume that Drones are overpowered, just because they can't shoot at the Droner, only his Drone.
26: You can't get mob loot, 90% of the time, because you're too far away from it, by the time you reach it, most have despawned.
27: You can't really get in for belt hacking either, because that would involve giving away your hiding place.
28: Immediate retaliation upon an attack on you, is impossible. What are you going to do to the tank that takes a pop at you? Stop, turn round, launch a Drone, fly it to him, and hope that in that time he hasn't wasted you?
29: Droning in itself, consumes so much time, hiding, launching, flying to target, flying back from target, relocation, repeating.
30: Droning costs money, but you never quite make that money back, unless you're doing Techpart sales, which again, involves risking life and limb to go into the Hack interface, knowing your meatsack is stupidly vulnerable, to even a fucking Mech turtle.
Drones are not overpowered, you are all just shit.
Admit it.
steweygrrr
17-07-04, 18:20
The last bit as you call it, is not fixed, people still doing today.
Drones can cover an entire zone, while the droner itself is nicely hiden away the drone has the ability to reach anything and anyone, the firing range is a different matter, yet we see a PN can hit from a big distance, sure the raptor needs to be closer, but with current hitbox and server lag it is almost impossible to target and make a hit count, and only a APU can really take out a drone effectively.
Spec poison for a raptor ? funny that all classes die to a raptor, even ppu's, even a good ppu won't stay about when 2 raptors on on them.
Anyway...............
Melee tanks ******** drones. As does anyone who can aim.
An APU can cover an entire zone if he wanted to. He has these wondrous things stuck on his body called 'Legs'. Firing range is what I was talking about. No use being able to cover a whole zone with a drone if you have to be within 2 feet to hit effectively due to the terrain, lag and flash from being hit now is it? Two APU's can kill a PPU but you don't hear people calling nerf on them anymore do you?
Lets this be the thirty laws of the new drone religion.
Amen
Oh and one more thing...droners can see system messages when the server is about to go down. :lol:
Every time, again and again, over and over.. *Sighs*
Droning
- The Downsides
1: Your body is a static target. You do not know if someone is standing right in front of you, whilst you are flying your Drone elsewhere, often, you only realise someone is there, when you suddenly drop your drone and appear lying dead on the ground.
2: Bloodflash often doesn't work, so you don't even know you're being hit, I've often only found out I'm under attack, by either when I suddenly gain a Con or Str level, or my Armour is damaged, message appears.
3: You have to gimp 100% to droning to be seriously effective. All points in Willpower, all points in Remote Control, majority of points in Transport and Endurance, with zero Resists.
4: Drones tend to bug out when trying to launch them, meaning you drop more Drones than you fly, if you're really unlucky.
5: Drones have horrible vertical controls, it doesn't matter what angle you're pointing at, if you're going in a straight line, guarantee you'll be heading towards the ground as well, giving your target time to run, because..
6: Drones have a nasty habit of getting stuck in the floor or walls, giving your target plenty of time to destroy your precious Drone, which often happens because of..
7: Damage flash, which occurs constantly, if you're taking fire from a Pistol or Gatlin totting enemy. I've had occassions where I've seen my target, he's started shooting, and that's the last I see because of flash, until my Drone blows up.
8: For every Drone that blows up, you need to waste more time, relaunching another, and getting it back there, giving your enemy time to heal, buff and run, or call for backup.
9: Whilst you're Droning, people can be scanning around for you, and so you need to keep moving, meaning you spend more time running around hiding than actually fighting.
10: Droning is an irritating past-time, with most Researchers flat out refusing to to Drone work, because of the tedium, and Repairing being unviable, as generally your Drone will be destroyed in PvP before it becomes wrecked.
11: You tend to run out of cabinet space very quickly, and find you need to spec heavily in Transport just so you can stay out in the field for a while.
12: Whilst your Teammates are busy engaging in battle, you're flying around trying to wonder where the fuck you are, and end up dropping the Drone so you can launch another and head off in the right direction.
13: You're chasing someone and they zone, but your Drone can't, and so you have to fly it all the way back, then run after them, or just let it go. Worse yet, is to put up with zone hoggers.
14: You can't tell who is around your Drone, so you've got to get up close and check every person before opening fire, giving time for retaliation or alert.
15: You can't check if someone is Le'd until you shoot them, which again wastes time and the element of surprise.
16: If your Drone is under attack, you have to Repair it, which uses Ammo, and takes a long time to complete, during which you cannot attack, and are an easy target.
17: It costs a fortune to research and construct your Drones, because you go through them by the truckload.
18: You can't buff your Drone, and the most powerful Drones tend to have the weakest armour, making them easy pray for APU's.
19: You can't use your RPOS screen whilst Droning, meaning if you need to quickly check the map, or check Inventory, or anything, you need to return or drop your Drone.
20: You need to pick your hiding place carefully, meaning more often than not, by the time you've found your target and hid yourself, he's gone and buggered off.
21: Drones are susceptible to their AoE weaponary, and people have a blissful ignorance of Drone AoE in caves and suchlike, with people finally understanding tanks and AoE, they've totally ignored the flying tincans, especially those tanks with AoE.
22: We only have one really workable Dungeon where we can level our Dex and Int, because anywhere else, you go through far too many Drones.
23: Drones find it hard to fit into everyday routine, because we need to take special care about how we treat our bodies, and there are frankly, a lot of places we can never go by ourselves, because of our crap Resists.
24: People keep moaning at you for killing them with your Drone, just because they can't reach you, because you took the time to spec to a Hovertec, and found a route to the top of the highest cliff, or whatever, legally, by simply using a bit of the old back and forth routine.
25: People automatically assume that Drones are overpowered, just because they can't shoot at the Droner, only his Drone.
26: You can't get mob loot, 90% of the time, because you're too far away from it, by the time you reach it, most have despawned.
27: You can't really get in for belt hacking either, because that would involve giving away your hiding place.
28: Immediate retaliation upon an attack on you, is impossible. What are you going to do to the tank that takes a pop at you? Stop, turn round, launch a Drone, fly it to him, and hope that in that time he hasn't wasted you?
29: Droning in itself, consumes so much time, hiding, launching, flying to target, flying back from target, relocation, repeating.
30: Droning costs money, but you never quite make that money back, unless you're doing Techpart sales, which again, involves risking life and limb to go into the Hack interface, knowing your meatsack is stupidly vulnerable, to even a fucking Mech turtle.
Drones are not overpowered, you are all just shit.
Admit it.
Every time, again and again, over and over.. *Sighs*
The issue is with certain droners exploiting. Only option 4 is a known issue. The rest are what the droner has to live with, and droners are extremly powerful at the moment.
An APU can cover an entire zone if he wanted to.
An APU can be cut down by the drone long before it gets they get to the meatsack. And if the APU knows exactly where the meatsack is to begin with then you must really suck as a droner.
Look can all the bleeding heart droners give it a rest. The thread is about certain droners exploiting to stop being able to attack them.
The issue is with certain droners exploiting. Only option 4 is a known issue. The rest are what the droner has to live with, and droners are extremly powerful at the moment.
An APU can be cut down by the drone long before it gets they get to the meatsack. And if the APU knows exactly where the meatsack is to begin with then you must really suck as a droner.
Look can all the bleeding heart droners give it a rest. The thread is about certain droners exploiting to stop being able to attack them.
maybe they should add a new vehicle for victims of droners:
http://home.comcast.net/~schroet/ambulance.jpg
YoDa, the last bit afaik was fixed as part of the MC5 exploit fixes.
But a droner has a better range than an APU? Don't make me laugh! The useful drones have a range of around 75m, HL has around 140. They can take more hits than an APU? Are you kidding?? Drones go down in about 5 or 6 hits from an HL!
Droners ARE weak! Spec poision and Raptors aren't really that huge of a problem. Find his meatsack and what chance does he have of surviving that encounter? Precisely none. The drone heal takes FAR too long to finish and all the while you can't fire. Since when did any other class stop firing when a heal started on them? A drone can drop multiple targets before it dies. Gee whizz so can any player using any other kind of weapon.
*APU and Droner player*
5-6 hits? You got a strong drone..
Oh, and all the time you're being killed you have no idea where you're going, you can't see whos killing you etc...
Ahh almost forgot- there's a bug that means if your meatsack gets shot you cannot see blood on your screen unless you're hit by force, and it's impossible to get out and stealth/run fast enough if you notice.
Maloch Octavia
17-07-04, 19:21
Hey, I'm not giving it bleeding hearts, I'm simply stating why Droning is a nightmare at times, and why we are not overpowered.
The Author should make his point more clearly, because it reads that he's just moaning about people being able to get to hard to reach spots, not exploiting as such.
My 30 laws are more aimed at those that scream nerf.
I own with a Drone, my posted picture shows that, my Clan can attest to it, I'm quite happy with my Drone, even given all the damn setbacks. :)
Drones don't kill people.
People kill people.
bah i cant be arsed to argue about this, no one listens.
KK dont listen, you lot dont listen, i dont listen, everyone is wrong and everyone else is right, its all perspective, end of story, these posts come up almost every day week in week out, same old story, one class to the next.
Lets just play.
awkward silence
17-07-04, 20:07
I DONT WANT DRONERS NEFRED AS SUCH !!!
I just tthink they get more advantage of bugs than anyone else.
Also its easy to say that you should go get a hover and go after the the droner.
If your not a ppu your dead before you get to the asg ffs.
Droners have the advantadge of being in an area you are trying to get to.
Even a lowsy droner can kill a good ppu with no heal while on a hovertech trying to get over the ridge.
I THINK IT IS TOO FUCKING RIDICULOUS TO GO AFTER A DRONER WITH THOSE ODDS !!
I think droners should not be allowed to be in those places where you need to get with a hover or .... the other way.
That was my point... again i dont want drones nerfed!
and if anyone can challenge maloch octavia, or prove that there are certainly more droners then tanks go ahead, and its worth going through all this shit just for a lousy spot in Mb, when I can do so much better going pistol with my spy.
Also when were APUs and PPUs meant to be soloble, the fact that they are indestructible as a pair agaisnt any other class or team pairings is already a reason to be them. If you want to solo go hybrid, it is very good now.
and how about the good old monk third person exploit? you ever consider that, thats a hell lot more useful then that lousy mb exploit, that doesn't even work anymore, I think 3rd person is stupid alltogether, you shouldn't be able to attack in third person, simply because it allows you to see far more then you should. That droner exploit is not even worth the trouble of using it.
If a lone PPU or APU dies to a drone thats completely fair in my point of view, if they pair up and lose, then thats stupid, its balanced right now leave it BE.
I DONT WANT DRONERS NEFRED AS SUCH !!!
Hello McFly?
No one is looking for droners to get nerfed. They would like it that the meatsacks don't hide using objects to block people from targetting them, or using an exploit to get to the top ridge of game boundries.
Hello McFly?
No one is looking for droners to get nerfed. They would like it that the meatsacks don't hide using objects to block people from targetting them, or using an exploit to get to the top ridge of game boundries.
If that was the point then maybe the thread title and first post should have been more clear.
Those exploits can be and are used by other classes too all the time. They need fixing and we all know that but confusing the issue doesn't help.
I think the first post was clear. I know I understood the meaning of it the whole time. The only point awk wanted to make was that droners stand to gain more from exploits than other classes, top level MB cliffs being a prime example.
I think the first post was clear. I know I understood the meaning of it the whole time. The only point awk wanted to make was that droners stand to gain more from exploits than other classes, top level MB cliffs being a prime example.
Until a few months ago it was snipers up there. I've even seen tanks up there with lasers and AoE and one guy with a reveler.
Standing in boxes and such like I have seen every single class doing.
Making it out that only droners are doing this is wrong and bound to stir up trouble.
Until a few months ago it was snipers up there. I've even seen tanks up there with lasers and AoE and one guy with a reveler.
Standing in boxes and such like I have seen every single class doing.
Making it out that only droners are doing this is wrong and bound to stir up trouble.
A sniper can be shot back by someone below though, whereas a droner can stand back from the edge and becomes unhittable to anything but another droner. The point isn't that droners are the only ones exploiting, just that they gain more when they do. Though in all fairness I can't really see anything that can be done about it besides fixing the exploits in the first place, so the fact that droners gain more of an advantage is mostly irrelevant.
A sniper can be shot back by someone below though, whereas a droner can stand back from the edge and becomes unhittable to anything but another droner. The point isn't that droners are the only ones exploiting, just that they gain more when they do. Though in all fairness I can't really see anything that can be done about it besides fixing the exploits in the first place, so the fact that droners gain more of an advantage is mostly irrelevant.
Agreed.
I don't think we have any differences on this Scikar, I'm just trying to point out that the way the topic was brought up is the reason the thread went off on a tangent.
Maloch Octavia
17-07-04, 22:54
If the discussion is about exploits, then I agree, we need to get them rectified, but as was pointed out, to suggest that only Droners benefit from them, or use them, is crap.
One perspective, is that if a Droner can get somewhere, so can someone else. So, fight fire with fire, et' al, and go get him.
Because on the same extent, that falls under the category of the Droner that gets a great, legit, hiding spot, and can't be shot at, and can't be reached, because no-one has bothered to spare the 20 odd points to use a Hovertec.
Same idea.
As for killing a PPU, if a PPU dies to my Drones, he's shit, unless Mosquitos are being used, which makes a difference. I've never managed to kill a PPU with my Drones, except once, when I was aided by a Speed Gat wielding PE, and even then, the PPU only died because he was too fucking stupid to turn around and hit the GR out of there.
My point, that I keep raising when these keep coming up, is that exploits aside, which everyone abuses and uses, Droners always get the blame for being overpowered when people get killed by them, simply because they can't think out of the box on how to kill them back.
That's all it comes down to.
I remember, I went on a spree at my favourite haunt, took about ten people down, and sure enough, in here, fifteen minutes later, was a nerf Drones thread.
:rolleyes:
It's also about tactics.. For example, I'll only hunt in zones with good cliffs and hills, because that's unaccessible to foot travelling people, and I guarantee, that if I've got a spot I'm happy with, and you're on foot, can't drive, and don't have a Droner friend to assist, I will kill you, because I'll wear you down, you'll make mistakes, and your time will come.
However, have any of the above, and I suddenly become very easy meat. Numerous times I've been killed by another Droner, that has been called in by someone thinking outside the box. Good tactics on their part. They kept running around, giving me tasty targets, whilst unbeknownst to me, a stinking Droner was setting up camp and skimming around in a Revenge looking for me. Bastardooooo.
So just think a bit, sit down and say..
"The next Drone attack, how will I deal with it? Will I stand or run?"
Sometimes running is the best answer, and as for complaints that a PPU can't outrun a Drone on a Hovertec.. Please...
Use the terrain, our Drones will be bouncing around like pinballs, and you'll be miles ahead of us. On foot, it's a tad different, we can keep up with a lot of you, but then again, a lot more have good Agil and Ath and can just about outrun us.
There are other, very good ways of sniffing out a Droner, of which I wont tell you, but they work very well. Just sit down and think about it.
A sniper can be shot back by someone below though, whereas a droner can stand back from the edge and becomes unhittable to anything but another droner.
Fully understand what you're saying here mate, but what I'll add, is that if people aren't willing to make an effort, this is generally always the case, because we hide ourselves good, and take the time and effort to find a suitable location. There are hundreds of occassions where only a Hover user or Droner will be able to get me, that doesn't make it exploiting, it just limits the available field of retaliators, yet some people almost treat it like it is exploiting.
People need to gain perspective on these things, and realise that they've just been beaten by different tactics.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go to pack forty Drones, go to my uber camping spot, and pick on you nib 80/65 APU's and Tanks.
:)
third ridge on MB can also be hovertec power if you did not know so if it is done with hover then no exploit and if a droner can go there everybody else can
I can get up there with a hivertech as well. Easy peasy.
Why is this spam tread still going. As long as ppus are still overpowering anyplayer near them droners will never be really effictive. We cant nib heal/shield. We run out of ammo long before anyone with a ppu dies.
FFS
trigger hurt
18-07-04, 04:27
Hey, I'm not giving it bleeding hearts, I'm simply stating why Droning is a nightmare at times, and why we are not overpowered.
The Author should make his point more clearly, because it reads that he's just moaning about people being able to get to hard to reach spots, not exploiting as such.
My 30 laws are more aimed at those that scream nerf.
I own with a Drone, my posted picture shows that, my Clan can attest to it, I'm quite happy with my Drone, even given all the damn setbacks. :)
Most of the points you put forth are either bugs *drone flash, dropping drones when you launch, drones getting stuck in walls* so scratch those from your list of shit that makes life hard on you. Riflers, Pistolers, Heavy Combatters, Monks all have their own bugs that can make life a bitch for them. I've played a rifle spy since the beta and I've seen showstopping bugs for me as well. If being a droner is so difficult for you, lom to rifles, lom to pistols or be a tradeskiller. The other parts, well some are there for balance. I still don't understand why bp'ing a TL 40 drone takes an entire minute, but i'm guessing it's a bug.
The issue I have with drones is not that they are powerful, it's that the netcode can't handle them. I pelt a rocket with SH shots, it appears to take damage, but low and behold...it's behind me...not on the other side of the hill where I first saw it. To that extent, droners are using lag to their advantage. It's not on purpose, but that's what is happening. There are far too many bugs with drones. They don't need a nerf, but they need some serious fixing.
I can get up there with a hivertech as well. Easy peasy.
the third lvl is the one thats 6 times as high as everyone else and that u always find cix snipers on top of. Which is also completely inaccesible by hovertec on by pressing a certain button
Seems to me like a lot of people are getting confused over which level of the cliffs.
Just to clarify, would anyone who can get to the very top cliff, that's the absolute highest steep cliff which marks the edge of the zone and is the highest map point in the zone, using only a hovertec and no exploits, please make themselves known? I think a lot of people are thinking of the second cliff here, not the very top 3rd cliff.
Seems to me like a lot of people are getting confused over which level of the cliffs.
Just to clarify, would anyone who can get to the very top cliff, that's the absolute highest steep cliff which marks the edge of the zone and is the highest map point in the zone, using only a hovertec and no exploits, please make themselves known? I think a lot of people are thinking of the second cliff here, not the very top 3rd cliff.
Actually i would count the floor as a lvl so u have 1st lvl which u can run up 2nd lvl which in one spot u can run up or hovertec up and 3rd lvl which is vertical and supposidly impossible to get up.
Actually i would count the floor as a lvl so u have 1st lvl which u can run up 2nd lvl which in one spot u can run up or hovertec up and 3rd lvl which is vertical and supposidly impossible to get up.
Yeah sorry, I meant to say 2nd. Was a typo. :D
EDIT: So just to clarify again, anyone who thinks they can get to the 3rd level cliff as Cannings describes above without exploiting, please make yourselves known.
Magic Sausage
18-07-04, 08:37
Ok... now about everyone bitching about droners getting to drone from anywhere...
What will happen when gliders come out and everyone can go everywhere...
Sense gliders are already in the test server... and what i hear already on retail but GM's won't release them... no where is unaccessable and no where can possibly be considered exploiting.
So are you guys going to say.. well for the next month getting on the third layer of the cliff is hacking :P
Kinda a dead point now if you ask me.
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