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So when is the god damned "spray and pray" aiming of the plasma rifle and cannon going to be fixed? I can't tell you how often I've gotten creamed by accidentally aggro'd 120/120 guards becuase of shooting at someone and having a stray plasma bolt nail one of them in the head.
And you can't tell me to aim better cause guess what... The only way you don't have a chance to hit one of them is to be turned 180 degrees from them.
/set bitch_mode 0
PLEASE PLEASE FIX THIS!
--Stryfe
ya its annoying to be in p1 and have one of my tpc shots grace a friggin guard and e toasted. i realy wish they would fix it somehow.
stop stayin by the zone line then. Its just as simple as that. back in the day people didnt camp pp1/p3 border, everyone chilled and fought inside
stop stayin by the zone line then. Its just as simple as that. back in the day people didnt camp pp1/p3 border, everyone chilled and fought inside
That comment had nothing to do with this, There are gaurds everywhere around PP :P
stop stayin by the zone line then. Its just as simple as that. back in the day people didnt camp pp1/p3 border, everyone chilled and fought inside
Alot of the time you dont have a choice if the person your fighting likes to hug them...
its not a glitch... in real life not every bullet lands on target... most hit some little girl eating ice cream on her porch.
its not a glitch... in real life not every bullet lands on target... most hit some little girl eating ice cream on her porch.
some ones got some seriouse issues
aye.. it is really funny when ppl thinks that shooting is just point and pull the trigger.. and always hits.. stop watching hollywood-movies...
well this isent real life. becouse a stray bullet from a pe's pain easer cant hit that guard. if it could then i wouldent mind so much becouse plasma using people wouldent be the only ones who have that handicap of maybe hitting the guard.
aye.. it is really funny when ppl thinks that shooting is just point and pull the trigger.. and always hits.. stop watching hollywood-movies...
But what does that have to do with game weapon balance?
Personally, I think the plasma weapons should be more inaccurate than other weapons, but not as inaccurate as they are now. I think Plasma weapons should behave in that if EVERY hit hits, it will do the most damage of any weapon, but will rarely ever get all hits. Still should not get 1-2 of 4 hits 60% of the time though... maybe 2-3 being most common, which puts it slightly less/even with other guns (but remember 4 hits = great).
Rob01m, that's exactly how plasma weapons do work, in fact all burst weapons do. The only plasma with issues really is the plasma rifle line. Cannons are fine, and the pistols have double barrel fire mode, which is the same as rayguns and laser rifles.
Rob01m, that's exactly how plasma weapons do work, in fact all burst weapons do. The only plasma with issues really is the plasma rifle line. Cannons are fine, and the pistols have double barrel fire mode, which is the same as rayguns and laser rifles.Cannons are not fine, thank you. They suffer from the same issues of "I fire in a general direction, and instead of having all plasma bolts at least fire in a semi-tight cone, I manage to hit the guard who is 3 feet away from me and 50 degrees off my line of fire."
While it's true that bullets/projectiles do not go in a straight line, they at least follow a cone. None of the guns ingame do that, but only the plasma rifles and cannons are actually affected by it, as they are the only ones that can hit something that they aren't actually aiming at.
--Stryfe
Rob01m, that's exactly how plasma weapons do work, in fact all burst weapons do. The only plasma with issues really is the plasma rifle line. Cannons are fine, and the pistols have double barrel fire mode, which is the same as rayguns and laser rifles.
Well, its sorta like how I mean, I think it should be exactly like I say though. Right now I'm not so sure it's exactly the same. Of course Rifles are messed up, that needs to be fixed. Cannons I'll agree are fine. Pistols though... the plasma weapons are pretty accurate, and don't do "great" damage with that accuracy. But with such a small burst (2), I guess we can't really apply the plasma idea to it anyways without making it limited. I remember in beta the rifles were a little better than now, at least the EPR was, unless my memory is shot...
Cannons are not fine, thank you. They suffer from the same issues of "I fire in a general direction, and instead of having all plasma bolts at least fire in a semi-tight cone, I manage to hit the guard who is 3 feet away from me and 50 degrees off my line of fire."
--Stryfe
I think they should make it tighter too, or what if they made it like most weapons where you see the bullet/blob/etc hit the target, but no damage comes of it, instead of that said bullet/blob/etc flying and hitting something else.
Well, its sorta like how I mean, I think it should be exactly like I say though. Right now I'm not so sure it's exactly the same. Of course Rifles are messed up, that needs to be fixed. Cannons I'll agree are fine. Pistols though... the plasma weapons are pretty accurate, and don't do "great" damage with that accuracy. But with such a small burst (2), I guess we can't really apply the plasma idea to it anyways without making it limited. I remember in beta the rifles were a little better than now, at least the EPR was, unless my memory is shot...Plasma pistols aren't burst weapons. They are double-barrel, similar to raypistols and laserpistols.
--Stryfe
Plasma pistols aren't burst weapons. They are double-barrel, similar to raypistols and laserpistols.
--Stryfe
Yes, that's what they are now, but all I'm saying is you can't really apply that plasma idea I like to them. :(
its not a glitch... in real life not every bullet lands on target... most hit some little girl eating ice cream on her porch.
100% correct.
Full-autofire is not likely to hit anything at all. I have an uncle that was a Marine in Vietnam, he told me a story:
On his base they had a big problem with wild dogs getting into garbage, eating food, killing chickens in the local village, ect. He was standing around the base on patrol when they saw a dog run across the field about 40 feet away. Every single marine (12 of them in the platoon) emptied an entire 30rnd clip from an M-16A1 and not one of them hit the damn dog.
if you're fighting in a civilian-populated area (IE downtown Neocron) you have to accept the fact that bystanders could get hurt and that the well-armed bystanders might not appreciate this, or switch to a weapon you can control better and lose the damage and RoF of a plasma weapon.
My previous comment was mostly directed for ppl who think that shooting with a burst-weapon is just point and click. Sorry bout that.
My experience of real weapons:
Assaultrifle RK-62, The one finnish military uses to train ppl.
nice and compact. can hit a half-a-meter target from 300m when shooting from ground on single shot mode.
lets go to 100m. put the lever to "BURST" mode, kneel, and shoot.. how many bullets did hit the same halfmeter target? lets say the burst was 5 bullets. more or less likely only 1-3 bullets were near the target. If you get 2 or more hits, you can really congratulate yourself.
Hard to say about plasmarifles.. cause haven't really been shooting with those :) but anyways.. the bigger the weapon - the bigger is recoil ,and harder to shoot.
My previous comment was mostly directed for ppl who think that shooting with a burst-weapon is just point and click. Sorry bout that.
My experience of real weapons:
Assaultrifle RK-62, The one finnish military uses to train ppl.
nice and compact. can hit a half-a-meter target from 300m when shooting from ground on single shot mode.
lets go to 100m. put the lever to "BURST" mode, kneel, and shoot.. how many bullets did hit the same halfmeter target? lets say the burst was 5 bullets. more or less likely only 1-3 bullets were near the target. If you get 2 or more hits, you can really congratulate yourself.
Hard to say about plasmarifles.. cause haven't really been shooting with those :) but anyways.. the bigger the weapon - the bigger is recoil ,and harder to shoot.FFS. I want to have plasma weapons either always fire in some cone (WHICH ALL WEAPONS DO, BURST OR NO) or not do any damage when a stray bolt hits something.
Besides, real life can't be applied to this situation because A) we don't have plasma weaponry, and B) we don't have any personal shoulder-mounted automatic guns. Considering that I was using my STR-capped tank, who is a pure HC user, I should be considered a specialist in that field. Therefore I should be able to hit a half-meter target WITHIN 5 FEET and have ALL SHOTS HIT!
--Stryfe
yup.. monkey in arse is nice thing too [/bitching]
Yea, but how about reading it again. My comment wasn't pointed to ur plasmas.
and yes.. even specialists can miss from 5 feet every bullet when running around and waving their weapon like a lunatic.
go to 5 feet, crouch, and still u say u miss every shot.. hardly..
OK this is purely theoretical here...
but if you were a specialist (IE near-capped or capped) at a range, holding your weapon properly and everything else was Ideal, most of your shots would hit the target at a moderate range.
Now consider most of the time in PvP you're running in circles like e chicken with its head cut off, adrenaline pumping, being shot at and shot yourself, holding your gun however you can get a grip on it running willy nilly while holding down the trigger and spraying plasma around like a firehose of green death, then I'd say your accuracy would be slightly less :p
There's only one good Plasma Rifle, and KK banned it (http://neocron.jafc.de/showthread.php?t=88215). :-(
Cause you were never meant to have it :P
Back when the gaurds droped their weapons they used, So did some copbots, that was not intended to have players shoot that rain plasma from the sky gun :P :P :P :P
Im shure that was a intended only as a joke though :P
-Crono
I think the idea here is that your firing the cone of fire is in one direction. Ive seen the CS spray one missed shot left wide and the next right wide and the other two on the end hit.
This happens more in 3rd person mode then in first is also a problem. If you miss a shot in 3rd person mode it just flies off in random direction not related to the area you were firing. That is the part that sucks.
I think the idea here is that your firing the cone of fire is in one direction. Ive seen the CS spray one missed shot left wide and the next right wide and the other two on the end hit.
This happens more in 3rd person mode then in first is also a problem. If you miss a shot in 3rd person mode it just flies off in random direction not related to the area you were firing. That is the part that sucks.Exactly.
@tiikeri, sorry, but I thought you were directing your comment at me.
--Stryfe
Perhaps we could just get the number of Tsunami guards scaled back to two at each entrance to a Tsunami-owned facility, and not peppered (heh) around the zone willy-nilly?
trigger hurt
13-07-04, 07:44
Perhaps we could just get the number of Tsunami guards scaled back to two at each entrance to a Tsunami-owned facility, and not peppered (heh) around the zone willy-nilly?
Or maybe just remove the gaurds from zone entrances all-together. Right there in those spots is where the majority of fighting takes place. Remove em from pepper 1 and 2. Station them at the doors of Club Veronique, as they are now on the first floor and the second floor bridges for Tsunami. Then move the BD gaurds in pepper 2 away from the entrance. Leave them in front of shooting range and the BD HQ.
Open the space of for fighting on a grand scale. It would be much more enjoyable to watch a fight move from pepper 3 to pepper 2 to pepper 1 and eventually spill into the streets and alleys of plaza 3.
It's to late for me to read the whole thread. But I agree I just lomed to H-C today (from rifles) and i was fighting in pp and EVRY time i shot my Plasma cannon a gard shoots me (the gards have rifles for me and it doesnt show them shoot or make a sound) died 3 times to plasma in my first day :lol: (i dident miss my target)
Cause you were never meant to have it :P
Back when the gaurds droped their weapons they used, So did some copbots, that was not intended to have players shoot that rain plasma from the sky gun :P :P :P :P
Im shure that was a intended only as a joke though :P
-Crono
Really? They were given out as a reward for a gm event last I heard... and they were BPable. Copbots never dropped anything, never gave money and I don't think they ever gave exp. This is the pp copbots before they removed them.
Logan_storm_03
13-07-04, 09:16
FFS. I want to have plasma weapons either always fire in some cone (WHICH ALL WEAPONS DO, BURST OR NO) or not do any damage when a stray bolt hits something.
its funny watching people talking about what they think bulliets actuly behave like :), im only 15 and have really good expirence with moden assault rifles and supportweapons and bolt action rifles, can from what i know they dont fire in cones as such its almost like each round is indervidule, and depending how well you can control your weapon i.e if you body is not correctly inline the round could snatch of to the right or if you yank insted of squeesing the trigger it round will fly high right, so with some people there shots are constistantly and left coz of supporting it correctly, nothing to do with cones ;). but any way plasma cannons need to be unacurate, but a slight improvement, meybe :cool:
Oh yh, if ya wanna shoot a dog from 40feet with 12 peeps, i recoment using the
L85 SA80 with a SUSAT coz it just ownes acurat shots, and its really compact, tis my fav rifle so far, or even the L86 LSW with is basicly a souped up SA80 to a support weapon and has even greater acuraces 8|
he's just saying make them more cone like, not shoot in 90degree angles
http://members.chello.nl/hjw.heezen/J/spray.gif
Like that ^^^ .................. not this ^^^
because everyone knows bullets can't get out of a barrel in a 90degree angle. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out
its funny watching people talking about what they think bulliets actuly behave like :), im only 15 and have really good expirence with moden assault rifles and supportweapons and bolt action rifles, can from what i know they dont fire in cones as such its almost like each round is indervidule, and depending how well you can control your weapon i.e if you body is not correctly inline the round could snatch of to the right or if you yank insted of squeesing the trigger it round will fly high right, so with some people there shots are constistantly and left coz of supporting it correctly, nothing to do with cones ;). but any way plasma cannons need to be unacurate, but a slight improvement, meybe :cool:
Oh yh, if ya wanna shoot a dog from 40feet with 12 peeps, i recoment using the
L85 SA80 with a SUSAT coz it just ownes acurat shots, and its really compact, tis my fav rifle so far, or even the L86 LSW with is basicly a souped up SA80 to a support weapon and has even greater acuraces 8|Fine. You know more about firearms than I. But how does all this relate to bolts of plasma flying off at about 70 degrees and hitting a guard in the head and pissing him off? Besides, plasma weapons are directed energy weapons and since we don't exactly have those available, we don't know that jerking the gun around would even affect it.
I either want all plasma bolts in a burst to go in the same general direction when fired, or make it so that stray plasma bolts don't do anything, like bullets and stray lasers, etc.
--Stryfe
the thing that would help the plasma canon for tanks would be a hc eye,meaning that its the tanks low weapon lore that makes the cannon a laff
you can cap aiming on a CS and still get the same shitty results, a little weaponlore won't help. the way some guns aim has to be altered altogether.
Cannons are not fine, thank you. They suffer from the same issues of "I fire in a general direction, and instead of having all plasma bolts at least fire in a semi-tight cone, I manage to hit the guard who is 3 feet away from me and 50 degrees off my line of fire."
While it's true that bullets/projectiles do not go in a straight line, they at least follow a cone. None of the guns ingame do that, but only the plasma rifles and cannons are actually affected by it, as they are the only ones that can hit something that they aren't actually aiming at.
--Stryfe
On average, I hit with 3 out of 4 shots each burst on my CS. From time to time I land the 4th and big damage. I think that's about right. Not like FL where the average is 1-2. The fact that the 4th goes flying off at a crazy angle is a fair point though.
@seraphian: You may be running and dodging all over the place, but you're dodging with a view to getting the cannon aimed square in someone's face. To get any kind of aim on CS while moving requires that you be within 10m of your intended target. I'd say it would be pretty impressive to miss when your intended target is practically inside your gun barrel.
mm been a while since i played my tank have to dig him out
Praetorian
13-07-04, 11:33
aye.. it is really funny when ppl thinks that shooting is just point and pull the trigger.. and always hits.. stop watching hollywood-movies...
Tell that to KK and the way pistols are handled in this game... o_O
the thing that would help the plasma canon for tanks would be a hc eye,meaning that its the tanks low weapon lore that makes the cannon a laff
What we need is KK to put in a Cybereye 3 and 4. Cybereye 1 and 2 add Weaponlore, nothing else, and have no drawback other than a DEX requirement.
Cybereye 3 +12 WEP req ~45 DEX
Cybereye 4 +15 WEP req ~65 DEX
Why aren't these in the game?
@seraphian: You may be running and dodging all over the place, but you're dodging with a view to getting the cannon aimed square in someone's face. To get any kind of aim on CS while moving requires that you be within 10m of your intended target. I'd say it would be pretty impressive to miss when your intended target is practically inside your gun barrel.
Point taken, my main point was that people seem to want more accuracy out of their guns than is realistic sometimes.
I agree that there should be *some* form of physics applied to stray shots, so that they at least behave in a somewhat realistic manner, my point was that wild shots, even the occasional one that exits the barrel at an odd (70*+) angle, do occur.
On average, I hit with 3 out of 4 shots each burst on my CS. From time to time I land the 4th and big damage. I think that's about right. Not like FL where the average is 1-2. The fact that the 4th goes flying off at a crazy angle is a fair point though.Thank you. :p Now if only other people would agree.
--Stryfe
Only plasma rifles need fixing, in terms of cannons.... dont shoot till you can actually hit them?
Scikar i land 4 shots from my cs 70%ish of the time.
Only plasma rifles need fixing, in terms of cannons.... dont shoot till you can actually hit them?
Scikar i land 4 shots from my cs 70%ish of the time.Thank you for your oversight. Not everyone is godly-good with the CS and every now and then we all miss. All I'm asking for is to have either the plasma bolts not to damage when they go careening off at God knows what odd angle, or they all go in a relatively controlled cone. That's all.
--Stryfe
Only plasma rifles need fixing, in terms of cannons.... dont shoot till you can actually hit them?
Scikar i land 4 shots from my cs 70%ish of the time.
A lot of the time it looks like the 4th hits, but you just get an AoE effect. The only time I'm certain I hit with 4 shots is because you see 80, 90, 100 come off the target instead of 50, 60 or 70. Anyway point is, plasma cannons are fine when it comes to aiming, it's the rifles which are screwed.
im only 15 and have really good expirence with moden assault rifles and supportweapons and bolt action rifle
Oh yh, if ya wanna shoot a dog from 40feet with 12 peeps, i recoment using the L85 SA80 with a SUSAT coz it just ownes acurat shots, and its really compact, tis my fav rifle so far, or even the L86 LSW with is basicly a souped up SA80 to a support weapon and has even greater acuraces 8|
omg you're 15 and you have a 'fav rifle' and ppl wonder wtf is wrong with the world. 8| I'm sorry, I'd say more but I'm speechless. I can only guess your american.
omg you're 15 and you have a 'fav rifle' and ppl wonder wtf is wrong with the world. 8| I'm sorry, I'd say more but I'm speechless. I can only guess your american.
That offends me as an American with no guns.
Sincere apologies to any American's with no guns, but I'm stuggling to think of any other so called 'civilised' countries where a 15 year old could have 'really good expirence with moden assault rifles and supportweapons and bolt action rifles'. Appreciate I'm not gonna win a lot of friends here but I happen to feel very strongly about this subject. What possible reason could a 15 year old boy have for needing any, never mind 'really good' experience with 'modern assault rifles and support weapons and bolt action rifles.' Words fail me. Is he likely to be assaulted by the equivalent of a small nation's armed forces in his own home?? If he lives in a country where he has both access to a pc with internet access, and the freedom of speech to post such information, I highly doubt it. Most likely this is to appear 'cool' to others of a similar age and mentality which merely perpetuates the kind of tragedies we unfortunately hear about on a weekly basis, where children of similar age have acess to extensive arsenals of weaponry, and use them to appear cool and inevitably ends in tradgedy. If anyone can tell me why a child of 15 needs to have any knowledge of, never mind have 'really good expirence' of weapons of such awesome killing potential I'd be fascinated to hear them.
edit// and thank god there are some ppl out there with your mentality Rob01m
Well i think Stryfe has a point here. Not only is the missing burst of the plasma ways out of the shooting direction which honestly does look stupid.
But the biggest problem imo, is that the missing splash does damage whereas no other weapon has this dissadvantage. Shoot with a libby and only plant 2 bullets on target. The 2 missing ones may hit a guard or whatever mob thats just standing there its damage would be 0 0 to that mob.
Yeah you can say in real life random bullets do hurt bystanders. but guess what on that field all weapons are equals. A missing colt will do damage and a missing machine gun will in the end all weapons deal damage if they miss why has it to be that only plasma bursts do damage when hitting.
It should be all or nothing.
trigger hurt
14-07-04, 04:25
omg you're 15 and you have a 'fav rifle' and ppl wonder wtf is wrong with the world. 8| I'm sorry, I'd say more but I'm speechless. I can only guess your american.
By the time I was 13, I already had 3 guns of my own. Now, I don't know what he is using assault rifles for...
But I use my 2 rifles and 1 shotgun for hunting meat. When I was a kid growing up, we didn't have alot of money, so we went hunting when we could and put meat up for the year.
As an American with guns, I am offended by your comments. Just because I have guns...doesn't mean I'm pointing them at humans.
I guess the real problem is that the Plasma Rifle and Plasma Cannon lineup are supposed to be AoE, but because the firing cone uses the same parameters as non-AoE weapons, it doesn't work.
Just another addition to the KK fix list.
By the time I was 13, I already had 3 guns of my own. Now, I don't know what he is using assault rifles for...
But I use my 2 rifles and 1 shotgun for hunting meat. When I was a kid growing up, we didn't have alot of money, so we went hunting when we could and put meat up for the year.
As an American with guns, I am offended by your comments. Just because I have guns...doesn't mean I'm pointing them at humans.
apologies, I was unaware that rabbits/deer were now that hard to shoot that it required 'moden assault rifles and supportweapons' to fell them. They're sporting the latest in personal body armour or driving a challenger tank are they? :wtf:
'Oh yh, if ya wanna shoot a dog from 40feet with 12 peeps, i recoment using the L85 SA80 with a SUSAT coz it just ownes acurat shots, and its really compact, tis my fav rifle so far, or even the L86 LSW with is basicly a souped up SA80 to a support weapon and has even greater acuraces' Hmm great, should we be encouraging and teaching our children to shoot domestic pets??
You may not be pointing your particular guns at humans. Does that mean that anyone who breaks into your property and steals these weapons ('moden assault rifles and supportweapons' !!) won't?? The fact is that children or anyone else for that matter, cannot be murdered by such ridiculously high powered weapons if they are not held by the general public, who blatantly have no need to posess such items other than penile extensions, or because it makes then 'real hard men'. Perhaps people should think about the consequences of them owning such ridiculous guns and their responsibilities, including maybe teaching children that guns are not 'cool' or toys, before they demand that they have a 'right' to keep high powered anti-personal armouries in their houses. Perhaps there's a reason that the US has such a high rate of children taking small arsenals into schools, the like with which you could invade a small country, and murdering children and teachers. Perhaps parents should consider their responsibilities a little more carefully before they teach 'little Jimmy' to be proficient in firing modern assault rifles and support weapons, which he obviously needs in order to protect himself from the horrors he faces every day. Like his fellow children.
omg you're 15 and you have a 'fav rifle' and ppl wonder wtf is wrong with the world. 8| I'm sorry, I'd say more but I'm speechless. I can only guess your american.
Well at least in America we dont put 15 year old boys in the trenches shooting assult rifles at other men in the name of our god being better then thier god like the middle east.
FFS we teach our kids to use and respect firearms. To hunt and defend themself with them. I was hunting with a 22 rifle and 410 shotgun by the time I was 13. I was never allowed to pick up a handgun till I was well over 18.
The kid that has a fav assult rifle lives in a fucked up home or has just played to many war games. I really doubt he has in real life fired these weps or at least i hope not. If that the case his parents need a visit from the cops.
apologies, I was unaware that rabbits/deer were now that hard to shoot that it required 'moden assault rifles and supportweapons' to fell them. They're sporting the latest in personal body armour or driving a challenger tank are they? :wtf:
'Oh yh, if ya wanna shoot a dog from 40feet with 12 peeps, i recoment using the L85 SA80 with a SUSAT coz it just ownes acurat shots, and its really compact, tis my fav rifle so far, or even the L86 LSW with is basicly a souped up SA80 to a support weapon and has even greater acuraces' Hmm great, should we be encouraging and teaching our children to shoot domestic pets??
You may not be pointing your particular guns at humans. Does that mean that anyone who breaks into your property and steals these weapons ('moden assault rifles and supportweapons' !!) won't?? The fact is that children or anyone else for that matter, cannot be murdered by such ridiculously high powered weapons if they are not held by the general public, who blatantly have no need to posess such items other than penile extensions, or because it makes then 'real hard men'. Perhaps people should think about the consequences of them owning such ridiculous guns and their responsibilities, including maybe teaching children that guns are not 'cool' or toys, before they demand that they have a 'right' to keep high powered anti-personal armouries in their houses. Perhaps there's a reason that the US has such a high rate of children taking small arsenals into schools, the like with which you could invade a small country, and murdering children and teachers. Perhaps parents should consider their responsibilities a little more carefully before they teach 'little Jimmy' to be proficient in firing modern assault rifles and support weapons, which he obviously needs in order to protect himself from the horrors he faces every day. Like his fellow children.What the hell? Get out of my thread and go rant elsewhere. *Then* I'll argue with you.
--Stryfe
Sincere apologies to any American's with no guns, but I'm stuggling to think of any other so called 'civilised' countries where a 15 year old could have 'really good expirence with moden assault rifles and supportweapons and bolt action rifles'. Appreciate I'm not gonna win a lot of friends here but I happen to feel very strongly about this subject. What possible reason could a 15 year old boy have for needing any, never mind 'really good' experience with 'modern assault rifles and support weapons and bolt action rifles.' Words fail me. Is he likely to be assaulted by the equivalent of a small nation's armed forces in his own home?? If he lives in a country where he has both access to a pc with internet access, and the freedom of speech to post such information, I highly doubt it. Most likely this is to appear 'cool' to others of a similar age and mentality which merely perpetuates the kind of tragedies we unfortunately hear about on a weekly basis, where children of similar age have acess to extensive arsenals of weaponry, and use them to appear cool and inevitably ends in tradgedy. If anyone can tell me why a child of 15 needs to have any knowledge of, never mind have 'really good expirence' of weapons of such awesome killing potential I'd be fascinated to hear them.
edit// and thank god there are some ppl out there with your mentality Rob01m
OK, not meant as a flame here, but you guys are so narrowminded about guns sometimes. The only reason to shoot a gun is not to kill people. First of all bolt-action weapons are the best hunting weapons, because of superior accuracy. I've used military guns for hunting and target shooting (specifically a Mauser k98 circa 1930s vintage and a surplus version M1 garand, old guns, but amazingly accurate) guns are passed down for generations sometimes and sometimes a family ends up with the rifle that grandpa used to use to hunt rabbits during the depression, which happens to be the story of my grandpa's M1. So yeah it's technically a military rifle, but it's not used that way at all (in fact it's been modified so that it would suck in combat, extra external safety, bayonet lug cut off, ect.)
Second, target shooting is a fun sport for a lot of people. It's a challange of hand-eye corrdination and nerves and it's a lot more physical and requires more concentration and dedication than any other. I own a few guns (mostly pistols and a shotgun) but I have no intention of ever using them against people, my purpose is to shoot for fun.
Same thing with people talking about experiance with military weapons. It's a lot of fun in some ways to fire a fully automatic weapon, you haveto go to special ranges and pay through the nose to do it (places like 'the gun store' in Vegas let you shoot class 1 stuff) I've fired an H&K MP-5 and a M-16b commando version (AKA the Colt Commando, the full-auto M-16b), but I have no idea how you would even go about trying to buy one (it probably involves nasty men with names like sammy 'the goldfish')
so stop assuming we have guns to protect ourselves or to kill people... :rolleyes:
Logan_storm_03
14-07-04, 13:08
omg you're 15 and you have a 'fav rifle' and ppl wonder wtf is wrong with the world. 8| I'm sorry, I'd say more but I'm speechless. I can only guess your american.
not im from the UK, and way im not a gun nut if thats what you think, i do this through a goverment organisation funded by the army like almost basic training you can do before you enter along with other things like first aid ect, even they teach you the god damn countrie code when you first join. It also teaches you safty and respect for these weapons. One simple mistake like forgeting to check the safty catch after you unload you get chucked off the range and get a servier bollocking. I dont own a weapon and never will. weapons dont kill people, people kill people. I must say im abit shocked with sum peeps response, i know it as abit of a stupid post and didnt come across correctly, but this isnt a thred about saying to other people whats right or wrong, get back on topic about plasma accurasies O_o
only problem i have with the plasma is its amazing ability to fly of and hit the guard no matter where they are :lol:
If you stop the spray shoots do damage you also wont be able to kill a stealther with your CS.
Logan_storm_03
14-07-04, 14:46
If you stop the spray shoots do damage you also wont be able to kill a stealther with your CS.
very good point :D
I'm stuggling to think of any other so called 'civilised' countries where a 15 year old could have 'really good expirence with moden assault rifles and supportweapons and bolt action rifles'.
Maybe you don't have enough information then. Go read about Switzerland's gun laws and firearms ownership in its population.
That's just the first example I could think of. There's many many more.
Sorry to go off topic, but people talking out their ass like that really pisses me off, as does any American bashing. When your country spends as much on foreign aid as the USA does, then you can run your pie-hole. Until then, get back under your rock.
If you stop the spray shoots do damage you also wont be able to kill a stealther with your CS.
True, but those stealthiers usually don't allow me to see their blue blob run around for a while. :angel:
I think I'd rather have the non hits do no damage, but both have their ups and downs. I mean, most plasma combat is probably SUPER close range anyways, in which case a missed plasma blob can hit the person on occasion to do some extra damage. But then again if you're doing the PvP dance, your missed blob will probably go the complete wrong way and land on the ground, a friendly, or NPC that won't appreciate it. Personally I think I'd rather have it do no damage.
PS: I love your avatar! :D
steweygrrr
14-07-04, 19:14
CS aiming....god I hate it! I mean I'm good with a CS and can land most shots on target, it's just the shots that miss and fly off at right angles or something stupid that annoy me. Also the fact that said errant shot still does damage is also annoying. Say a PE or libby missed with one shot that flew off at a weird angle and ventilated some guards skull. Would he aggro you? No, because the shot wouldn't do any damage. I don't think its the aiming thats the issue here, it's plasma's unique ability to damage anything it hits unlike any other weapon in the game. Unless plamsa rifles AND cannons count as AoE, which would explain a few things.
its not a glitch... in real life not every bullet lands on target... most hit some little girl eating ice cream on her porch.
I agree. More guns should randomly miss like the plasma guns and the Lib. And they should do more damage too :p It's a bit more realistic.
And can we get little girl NPCs who eat ice cream to walk around?
*ducks*
I agree. More guns should randomly miss like the plasma guns and the Lib. And they should do more damage too :p It's a bit more realistic.
And can we get little girl NPCs who eat ice cream to walk around?
*ducks*AAAAAAHHHHH!!! http://home.comcast.net/~cydog2001/Pictures/Emoticons/flamethrow.gif
BAD FN, BAD! :p
--Stryfe
Yeah stop random packet straying.... and increase the burst bonus chances slightly,
and if you wanna bring rl into it, if i stand next to a big high metal rod will Holy Lightning hit that rather than me... especially if i am in some non conductive armour and have my weapon in my gogu... :D
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