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-=BlackBeard=-
16-06-04, 20:05
i hvae just been thinking about the plasma counter parts
JUDGE - Nice power,uber aiming average ROF
CURSED SOUL- amazing power, nice aiming, nice rof
FIRST LOVE-- ok power, crap aiming, ok rof
yet the first love is the higher tl of them all??? and people still choose to use the healing light or rog instead of this i think it needs to be made more powerfull or given better aiming
plz post ure thoughts
Jackie Chan
16-06-04, 20:07
aha... but i think everybody has another style ^^
Dribble Joy
16-06-04, 20:09
Firstly.
Why are you compareing the plasma weapons to each other? they are toally different tl.
Secondly, how can you possibly compare rifles/pistols to heavy? the dmg output per tl is far higher on a heavy weapon, simply because of the fact that tanks have a completely different style of weapon systems.
The Fl does indeed have aiming issues.
Other than that the dmg is fine, near CS power in fact.
-=BlackBeard=-
16-06-04, 20:10
Other than that the dmg is fine, near CS power in fact.
yes but its also alot lot lot harder to cap with out ppu buffs
slaughteruall
16-06-04, 20:14
yes but its also alot lot lot harder to cap with out ppu buffs
Put a kami in. Look it's a FL that you can use like a sniper rifle. Dont talk about capping weapons. Tanks cant fully cap alot weapons with a PPU buff either. Live with it man. And stop bitching and moaning.
Slaughter
lol rifles suck get over it. Rog agaisnt RoLH? Liberator agaisnt PE? Executioner agaisnt Thunderstorm? Healing Light agaisnt Beam of Hell. You get the idea.
Executioner agaisnt Thunderstorm?
O_o
You mean redeemer right?
Clownst0pper
16-06-04, 20:39
The FL isnt designed for distance, get in close, and youll hit all shots, I capped a FL with a rifle kami inq spy - rather fun!
Hits hard then, still sprays like a swedish porno
still sprays like a swedish porno
Nice similie :D . Have to remember that one.
Live with it man. And stop bitching and moaning.
Slaughter
hehe, how is that boring day at work coming along Slaughter :p ;)
:D
lol green spray? i'm a disruptor fanboi myself.
And stop bitching and moaning.
FFS before you even think of making a comment like this think about what you are saying. Bitching is making a point by insulting someone - which he has not done. Moaning is giving no good reason to back up your arguements - he has made some decent points - yes you may want to counter them but no need to make a snide comment.
WHY THE HELL CAN'T PEOPLE ARGUE ON THIS FORUM WITHOUT RESORTING TO COMMENTS LIKE THIS? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I see too many comments like this, and its really bugging me.
slaughteruall
16-06-04, 21:15
hehe, how is that boring day at work coming along Slaughter :p ;)
:D
51 minutes to go here. Thanks for asking. Just got back from a nice double smoke.
FFS before you even think of making a comment like this think about what you are saying. Bitching is making a point by insulting someone - which he has not done. Moaning is giving no good reason to back up your arguements - he has made some decent points - yes you may want to counter them but no need to make a snide comment.
WHY THE HELL CAN'T PEOPLE ARGUE ON THIS FORUM WITHOUT RESORTING TO COMMENTS LIKE THIS?
I see too many comments like this, and its really bugging me.
"Stop bitching and moaning" is a common phrase here in the states. Basically means shutup i'm tired of hiring your shit. That is about it really. Nothing to serious really.
Slaughter
-=BlackBeard=-
16-06-04, 22:33
slaughter u really hurt my feelings rofl ... but u r at work cant blame u for being grouchey
It's aim is borked, but apart from that, it's a CS with longer range. They have the same RoF and similar damage. Aim is awful on it for apparently no reason (though as I said in another thread, may be due to recoil - Tanks have higher strength). If it wasn't for aiming, that would be a sweet spy weapon. As it is, only Divide uses it. :p
SamuraiPizzaCat
16-06-04, 22:50
my FL PE on Pluto uses it :p
Yep, the FL is basically best suited to real close combat. Can be very effective that way. But if you stay absolutely stationary kneeling, and dont ever sneeze, you can also use it at longer range with an accuracy that is sort of marginally okay and not totally pathetic. If all shots hit it actually out damages an RoG by a little bit in a 15.5 second interval of time and beats a Healing Light by a bit more; but a Disruptor beats the FL. Would be an awesome all purpose gun if the accuracy was improved; but then i guess that is why it hasnt been. ;)
Spook @ Pluto
greendonkeyuk
16-06-04, 23:16
tbh its accuracy at mid level range ought to be increased considerably, its tl114, it should no way outdo the disruptor but given its 1 tl lower i think it should offer a healthy alternative.
Having said that, the old adage is range means shit in nc i guess maybe this is something callash in his new "fixer-upper" role could look at? Or maybe jus look at fixing the first love, (after you droners get your pa).
It's aim is borked, but apart from that, it's a CS with longer range. They have the same RoF and similar damage. Aim is awful on it for apparently no reason (though as I said in another thread, may be due to recoil - Tanks have higher strength). If it wasn't for aiming, that would be a sweet spy weapon. As it is, only Divide uses it. :p
you can't cap freq on a fl tho without a lvl 3 bost or kami, but with cs you can...that shit needs to be fixed.
Eledhbrant
17-06-04, 06:13
As it is, only Divide uses it. :p
My spy uses it :p
you can't cap freq on a fl tho without a lvl 3 bost or kami, but with cs you can...that shit needs to be fixed.
yes but u can come really damn close tho... well ok not that close but at around 177/min its still pretty decent...
and the only use you have for the FL is close range combat...
and my spy used to use it ALOT... FL = mini-CS = teh pwn
but yeah the freq should be made more easily capped...
you can't cap freq on a fl tho without a lvl 3 bost or kami, but with cs you can...that shit needs to be fixed.
Really? My tank is pure heavy combat (capped str) and i get 220/min on my cs (that's artifact frequency), so that's 7 off cap. Granted i dont have a herc in, but, im not sure i'll cap with the extra 5 hc... At any rate, that's _pure_ heavy combat, over 200 with implants. Also the aiming would just about be the same percent (I get 220, though im not pure wep), though yes, that's not taking into account the other aiming issues.
Another thing, have you checked the fl vs. cs damage lately? I'm fairly sure that the fl would come very close if not equalling the damage a cs deals. And pulling out a fl, isn't an insta para like pulling a cs is =P
a 190% aiming cs aims better then a capped aiming FL by far. so realy the main aparent "disadvantage" of being a tank by not capping aiming is realy nothing. you cant use the argument "well tanks cant cap aiming" as an argument. you cant compare the 2 weapon types. they are completely diffrent.
plasma rifles arnt bad to aim like people say. the fl should get a SLIGHT boost in damage to be in line with the other rifles damage for their tl. POSSABLY increase the accuracy a bit. but thats it.
i always thought the rog n first love should have had a tl switch, but no one else thinks so. the raygun rifles are all higher tech aside from the rare versions. but o well.
wish there was a +25 r-c or p-c drug.. huh.
Liebestoter
17-06-04, 09:23
FL hurts. When it hits.
Anyone remember Joystick? Anyone remember how he outdamaged most HC tanks with his FL? ^______^
you can't cap freq on a fl tho without a lvl 3 bost or kami, but with cs you can...that shit needs to be fixed.
If your tank isn't weak to piercing then you don't cap RoF on CS either. Also you need PA to cap it, which is gimpage enough from my POV, but I won't get into that argument here. :p
Besides, 190 R-C will at least give you a good RoF on a FL, and you can do that with Inq 1 still.
If your tank isn't weak to piercing then you don't cap RoF on CS either. Also you need PA to cap it, which is gimpage enough from my POV, but I won't get into that argument here. :p
Besides, 190 R-C will at least give you a good RoF on a FL, and you can do that with Inq 1 still.
But a tank is still viable with capped RoF on a CS. While a spy with a capped RoF on a FL is dead. Its a close combat rifle. And a spy with a capped FL will die in aprox. 2 hits.But i agree, 190 shots are ok. Actually you can get up to about 200 and still use inqui 1.
But still, the gun is shit. The aiming just sucks. A CS aims godlike compared to a FL. o_O
FL hurts. When it hits.
Anyone remember Joystick? Anyone remember how he outdamaged most HC tanks with his FL? ^______^
sure all of what over a year ago, back before specialisation changes proberbly
DigestiveBiscui
17-06-04, 16:53
FL hurts
leave it
NEXT!
Eledhbrant
17-06-04, 17:08
If you want RC high enough for a good freq on it you'll either move slow as shit, be drugging for runspeed, or constantly drugging for your INQ armour since you used a brainslot on a dist 3 or something.
And a tank caps ROF with PA3 all STR in HC and a herc on an artifact freq CS and all INT in wep lore (yes it affects it), so that person knows (didnt read name)
If you want RC high enough for a good freq on it you'll either move slow as shit, be drugging for runspeed, or constantly drugging for your INQ armour since you used a brainslot on a dist 3 or something.
And a tank caps ROF with PA3 all STR in HC and a herc on an artifact freq CS and all INT in wep lore (yes it affects it), so that person knows (didnt read name)
True, but to me all STR in HC, PA and all INT in weapon lore is just as bad as not wearing Inq on a spy... o_O
Liebestoter
17-06-04, 22:10
There was a DarK spy, can't remember the name, who really hurt me with his FL. Damage on it is fine, it just needs to be more accurate heh.
-=BlackBeard=-
17-06-04, 23:00
There was a DarK spy, can't remember the name, who really hurt me with his FL. Damage on it is fine, it just needs to be more accurate heh.
yeah i no man thats what im trying to say :)
Here are some comparison numbers for a given interval of time. The interval used is what it takes to fire one full clip of a Healing Light plus a reload (15.5 sec). The damage numbers assume that all shots fully hit the target, you cap both damage and rate of fire, and the target is a Decayed Horror.
TL 098 Ray of God = 2,834
TL 110 Healing Light = 2,772
TL 114 First Love = 2,880
TL 115 Disruptor = 3,312
Obvious points of discussion include whether the RoG is overpowered, or whether it is fine but the HL and FL should instead each get a slight boost to position them better between the numbers 2,834 and 3,312.
However, interestingly enough, because of individual rate of fire, frequency of reloads, and damage per hit, you have slightly different performance between the guns after about a minute (59 sec):
TL 098 Ray of God = 10,464
TL 110 Healing Light = 11,086
TL 114 First Love = 10,368
TL 115 Disruptor = 10,557
The implication being that if you need to hose down a target for quite a while, the Healing Light is a dandy choice. But if you only have a few brief moments, then the Disruptor is the better choice for doing the most damage in a very short period of time (assuming you fully cap it).
But given varying degrees of accuracy, it probably just boils down to using the gun that you are most happy with, or perhaps carrying two and switching off based on circumstances.
Spook @ Pluto
Well, that confirms my suspicions. :p
I take it the RoG results are for point blank range? Thus it seems reasonable that it can only deal that damage at very close range, while the other rifles deal the same damage even from a distance. It does highlight what I've been saying redarding PEs vs Spies though - the two Spy weapons, FL and Dis, are inferior compared to the standard drugged PE weapon - HL. The opposite should be true - only Spies should be using the very best, yet instead, as PEs have always done, the PEs get the most powerful weapon and leave the weaker ones to the Spies.
Spies get shafted as usual, no real surprise there then... :rolleyes:
Isn't it about time they unfucked the game by removing some of the things that made you have to specialise so much? patch 16* something i think it was... ahwell i can always dream...
first love needs to aim a LITTLE better, and do a LITTLE more damage... not get the super insane boost KK always gives to underpowered weapons. a 10% damage increase would be nice.
Yes, the RoG figures are for pointblank. At a distance i'd guess its more like two thirds of what you see here (supposedly it has a +50% closeup damage bonus but i never got around to verifying the real numbers).
Realize though that with Lupus looking at all the weapons and doing some rebalancing all of this stuff will probably change.
Spook @ Pluto
-=BlackBeard=-
18-06-04, 08:57
first love needs to aim a LITTLE better, and do a LITTLE more damage... not get the super insane boost KK always gives to underpowered weapons. a 10% damage increase would be nice.
couldnt agree more matey, the day a tl 98 weapon can outdamage and outaim a tl 114 weapon this game has some issues
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