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This is why you shouldn't take a corner at over 120mph
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1298917
Dribble Joy
15-06-04, 00:41
Holy shit, those red x's look nasty.
Holy shit
thats one fucking nasty crash :(
lol i bet sumone woke up with a headache
Underground
15-06-04, 00:49
There had to have been something up with that car, seriously, for part of it to get physically wrapped around a tree, yet the tree is still upright, and for the chassi to prettymuch split clean in two, cut and shut ? who knows, no blood anywhere, just seems dodgy O_o it is 100% genuine right ?
theres blood all up the trees (or at least one of them)
edit (lots of these today) that model of audi wouldent have a chasis, its too new, it would have a pair of subframes not a single seperated chasis
edit (again) looking at the pics closely (and trying to ignore the blood, its there, everywhere when you look close) i would say the car hit a tree head on and sudden change of direction caused it to summersault hitting another tree side on, roof first.
Holy hell! I don't think I've ever seen an accident where a car got split in half by a frickin' tree. o_O If anyone inside that car survived that, I would be thinking "miracle".
@_@
--Stryfe
ouch 8| that must of hutr..... :eek:
Maloch Octavia
15-06-04, 00:54
Read the full thread.
If you ask me, it's a fake.
Positioning of the halves are all wrong, all wrong.
Dribble Joy
15-06-04, 00:54
Gah, you guys can see it?
buggar.
There had to have been something up with that car, seriously, for part of it to get physically wrapped around a tree, yet the tree is still upright, and for the chassi to prettymuch split clean in two, cut and shut ? who knows, no blood anywhere, just seems dodgy O_o it is 100% genuine right ?
the fact that the tree is still standing seemed odd to me too
look like neo got to it and made it look like the tree did it
Gotterdammerung
15-06-04, 01:13
Contrary to what you may think (as rl is not a jackie chan movie) trees, yes trees that we use to build many a very robust structure are very strong. They do not splinter & break when hit by an automobile. Owning to trainning recieved in a previous incarnation that vehicle apparently hit the tree broadside and thus was split in 2. To illustrate this on a lesser scale take an empty aluminum soda can (a great analogy for an auto), stand it on end, place some bricks on it till it collapses. Take another can, lay it on it's side and try the same exp, it will collapse very soon. A vehicle is much stronger on it's ends then over the wider surface area of it's sides. Hence the big flying 140mph hollow soda can was torn asunder by the immobile tree.
The driver obviously exceeded the limitations of his vehicle and the road.
Cones, if the car had hit the tree at 100KPH, there would be a "lot" more cones on the floor from the impact into the tree, there would also be a lot of pine needles all over the place. Due to the lack of both, I'm guessin its a "what happens when you speed and dont buy a Merdeces" informercial
Dribble Joy
15-06-04, 01:31
Cars are not solid lumps of iron.
From an engineering design nescessity stand point, there is no need to make the entire vehicle strong enough to withstand cirtain types of impacts (and in cirtain directions).
Given a car chassis, what forces are needed to be withstood?
The wieght of the frame, the engine, transmission systems and all the other bits of the car that make the car a car.
The stresses induced from the engine and cornering effects.
Simple bending moments and the resulting compression, tension and torsional stresses produced.
A high speed impact, centred on a small section of the frame/chassis is simply not catered for.
This may sound dumb, but cars are simply not designed to crash.
Steel is strong.. but it is not like plastic, it can rip, tear, and shatter so very very easily given the right circumstances.
Compare say... a thick tin foil and a pencil/small stick. A car is effectively made of the thin, bendy foil and the tree the stick.
Cars are crashed a lot, they did a test, they crashed an older car into a newer car head on, the newer car was hardly dented, the older car was a complete write off. Cars these days are tested left right and centre to try to provide some form of protection, though at the end of the day, your in a big steel cage when you hit a solid object, so dont feel safe :p
look at picture 1, 4 and 14
note the position of the tree where the inital "impact" was made
judging by 14, we should be able to see part of the road on 1 and 4. but its not there.
Contrary to what you may think (as rl is not a jackie chan movie) trees, yes trees that we use to build many a very robust structure are very strong. They do not splinter & break when hit by an automobile. Owning to trainning recieved in a previous incarnation that vehicle apparently hit the tree broadside and thus was split in 2. To illustrate this on a lesser scale take an empty aluminum soda can (a great analogy for an auto), stand it on end, place some bricks on it till it collapses. Take another can, lay it on it's side and try the same exp, it will collapse very soon. A vehicle is much stronger on it's ends then over the wider surface area of it's sides. Hence the big flying 140mph hollow soda can was torn asunder by the immobile tree.
The driver obviously exceeded the limitations of his vehicle and the road.Simply said: trees > cars
:lol:
Dribble Joy
15-06-04, 01:50
There is a difference between a 40 mph collision with another vehicle and a 120 mph collision with a 1-2 foot wide pillar.
Cars are designed to 'survive' 'crashes', but again the forces used in those tests are not only limited in magnitude, but also in the application.
Cars these days are actually being designed to not survive, but to slowly (within the space of an impact interval) crummple and break up, thus ensuring the safety of the occupants (Eg, get a glass and fill it with eggs, and throw it on a concrete floor. Big mess yes? Do the same again onto a matress and the egs may crack, but no ikky inner liquids).
Regarding old cars, there was little or no efforts made to make them accident 'safe', and the cars of today are specifically designed to cater for cirtain types of impacts.
It's all about physics.
Cars are crashed a lot, they did a test, they crashed an older car into a newer car head on, the newer car was hardly dented, the older car was a complete write off. Cars these days are tested left right and centre to try to provide some form of protection, though at the end of the day, your in a big steel cage when you hit a solid object, so dont feel safe :pDepends which "old" and "new" cars you pick. I've seen a Morris tear the rear axle off a volvo and not even notice.
Depends which "old" and "new" you pick cars. I've seen a Morris tear the rear axle off a volvo and not even notice.
I cant drive a car, so I'd go with takin the bus :(
http://home.arcor.de/bratzekopp/escort.jpg
nuff said
btw. thats not a fake (the audi one i mean)
Gotter's right, steel is like paper, relatively poor compressive and sheer strength, but high tensile. The idea being you exploit that strength, i.e. roll a piece of paper up and it becomes 50x stronger. The design of the steel frame of the car simply isn't built to withstand that amount of pressure in that direction. Steel is also like the plastic/foil stuff you get on some food bags, its very strong in tension, but one you make a tiny rip, it'll carry on ripping incredibly easily. Although the roof actually curling round the tree like that is a bit weird.
Car obviously swerved, rolled once or twice then hit the tree roof first (maybe even airborn at the time), passengers maybe were ejected out when the car began to roll or thrown out on impact, either way, nasty way to go.
Although I am slightly suspicious about the lack of disturbance on the woodland floor, and the lack of engine oil/petrol/water/anti-freeze/brake fluid around.
Although I am slightly suspicious about the lack of disturbance on the woodland floor, and the lack of engine oil/petrol/water/anti-freeze/brake fluid around.
The one, only and hopefully last, time I saw an engine completely seperated from a car in an accident it was like that - eerily clean and intact (oil filter still on it and everything). I assume once the pipes are ripped off the fluids get thrown all over and just get lost in the mess. Also, if the block is intact the oil won't come out and that's the only thing that wouldn't evaporate anyway.
Psycho_SquiRReL
15-06-04, 03:25
Cones, if the car had hit the tree at 100KPH, there would be a "lot" more cones on the floor from the impact into the tree, there would also be a lot of pine needles all over the place. Due to the lack of both, I'm guessin its a "what happens when you speed and dont buy a Merdeces" informercial
lol this sounds like your post
Another thing is, why is the ground not even touched. I know someone said that thousands of needles probably fell and covered it, but common..... Look at the crash site, the ground should have been tore up by the way the car got ripped apart, but yet the ground is even and untouched. Also look at the grass on the pictures by the car parts, espacially by the wheel it looks like it wasnt touched at all.
I honestly don't know what to think, real or fake. I'm catually leaning towards real, just cause of the detail of the car.
But it would be nice to actually find out the truth about these pictures. Any see if people actually died or if this was just another "see what happenes when u speed" example.
yeah, these look like they might be crash test shots and not a human crash...
First of all, there's no blood.
If there were a person in that car, and he hit the steering wheel with his head hard ehough to dent the metal wheel, there would be blood (and other things) staining the car.
<<Alert, this is kind of graphic>>
There was a dumbass drunken kid who did the same thing in a brand new Viper in my hometown, he lived, but his friend didn't. All but one of the paramedics on the scene was throwing up, and they shut down the highway for a few days to photograph and then clean the scene. Until they did, there was no way to cross the road because of all the scavanging animals....
<<End alert here>>
also the lack of gasoline, oil, brake fluid and all the other things that would be littering the ground I find suspisous.
Reading through all the posts on there and a few other places I'm pretty sure it's real.
Either that or whoever did it had the help of the emergency services, spent an enormous amount of time and effort and either fooled or had suport of the local newspaper for a stunt they never used to any purpose.
/edit - I would be more suspicious if there were any puddles of fluids.
tomparadox
15-06-04, 05:46
good lord O_O, if the dude dident live atlest we can hope he dident feel anything... if it was real...
Trees don't move! Seen alot of MVA's in my time and that's no fake. Even the older car (Lead sleds from the 70's and 80's) would break up after hitting a tree, I have pictures of a 1968 Fast back Mustang that hit a curb at an intersection doing 90 Mph went airborne hit a tree 8 feet off the ground and ended up on someones porch upside down, teens having fun late at night six in the car (yes six three in back two up front number six sitting on center console) three didn't make it, this car's engine and most of the frontend went it's own way.
tomparadox
15-06-04, 07:23
yea, trees are hard to move, shit they have a hard time moveing them with bulldozers sometimes... trust me i know, i hit a, id say most was 4' all the way around the tree, hit it with a gocart going 20 mph, and the thing dident move at all, as for the gocart the stearing and front axle was bent to hell...
yeah, these look like they might be crash test shots and not a human crash...
First of all, there's no blood.
If there were a person in that car, and he hit the steering wheel with his head hard ehough to dent the metal wheel, there would be blood (and other things) staining the car.
also the lack of gasoline, oil, brake fluid and all the other things that would be littering the ground I find suspisous.
http://wryday.com/~edson/rabbit.jpg
That was one of my brother's good friends, i've seen pics of the car after it made it to the salvage yard, there's no blood in it, yet they needed dental records to id his body....
tomparadox
15-06-04, 23:07
my god, i feel sorry for that dude :/ , he dident feel a thing though, wich is good...
[TgR]KILLER
15-06-04, 23:15
lol i bet sumone woke up with a headache
as seeing the car is in 2 pieces.. well a 3rd on the tree.. and those white bags on the ground on the first few pics..
i don't think anybody woke up from that one..
i don't think anybody woke up from that one..
i was being a ass, trying to make a few jokes :P
greendonkeyuk
16-06-04, 00:09
yea, trees are hard to move, shit they have a hard time moveing them with bulldozers sometimes... trust me i know, i hit a, id say most was 4' all the way around the tree, hit it with a gocart going 20 mph, and the thing dident move at all, as for the gocart the stearing and front axle was bent to hell...
dude did you expect the go-kart to tear the tree asunder.... like it would jus smash down behind you narrowly missing you as you tear away at breakneck speeds...
sorry, im jus having a laugh.
did the bear eat the bodies??? . but yea ouch . thats gonna leave a mark in the mornin'!
tomparadox
16-06-04, 07:15
dude did you expect the go-kart to tear the tree asunder.... like it would jus smash down behind you narrowly missing you as you tear away at breakneck speeds...
sorry, im jus having a laugh.
no, i dident tell it in gr8 detail :p
i was driveing around there 5 acore lot that has woods and a path for the gotart, so they had this big mulch thing and i ran over it and there happend to be a tree behind it that you couldent realy see...
if u read the entire post or happen to look at the pic, ull see there 2 bodies under sheet in the back ground. And in one of the shots there blood on the tree.
no one survied this accedent and it ISNT staged.......
/bow his head
Original monk
16-06-04, 09:47
this post hurts me alot
but still a question: on the right driverseat is that a little babychair standing in there ? or is it yust the seat itself that got ripped apart to bits and pieces ?
also the steeringwheel looks nice 8|
First one is not a fake. It was most likely remade from crap parts (chop shop).
Nice to see someone nicked the radio.
Radio is still there, seen that happen not long ago. The face plate is removable to prevent theft, G-forces caused it to come off the radio. As for no blood being seen, you have to be alive to bleed. Death came so fast that the body or bodies had no time to bleed out, plus from the pictures if the white sheets are over the bodies then they were ejected after impact.
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