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All you need to worry about these days, is wether or not your video card drivers are upto date, or wether or not your 1GB of RAM is enough to play X Game. Tut, you have it soooo easy.
Now, I remember when I was a lad, computers had 4MB of memory, if you were rich, and the 128MB was only for companies that could afford the few thousand quid to spend on it.
When disks were spelt with a k on the end, because they were floppy disks, not these new fangled DVD -/+ or CD-Roms, blergh, you have it so easy.
These days, you turn on your computer, and everything works for you, but it wasnt always like that!
Back in the olden days, as you youngsters wont remember, computer users had two files they had to tweak, these were, config.sys and autoexec.bat
And tweak them we did, for hours and hours on end! Unlike these days, where it says "Requires 256MB RAM" we had to try and find 640k of lower memory! Which was a pain in the bum, i can tell you!
Memory works like this you see, you have Lower memory, and Upper Memory (extended memory). The lower memory is the first 640k, upper memory is 640-1024k, and if you didnt have enough lower memory, you were screwed tbh!
Now, this isnt an easy task you know, far from it, if you look at Windows XP these days.....
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
C:\Documents and Settings\David>mem
655360 bytes total conventional memory
655360 bytes available to MS-DOS
591952 largest executable program size
1048576 bytes total contiguous extended memory
0 bytes available contiguous extended memory
941056 bytes available XMS memory
MS-DOS resident in High Memory Area
you have 591k worth of lower memory! Which isnt much! You youngsters, no idea how much trouble we would have getting that much! Let me explain.
Firstly, you needed to load stuff into your system:
Mouse
CD-Rom
Sound Card
All these went into your Config.sys or Autoexec.bat!
So, your typical Config.sys =
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS
FILES=30
STACKS=0,0
BUFFERS=20
DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ANSI.SYS
DEVICEHIGH=C:\MTMCDAI.SYS /D:123
Which would load Himem into higher memory, and EMM386, and your CD-Rom!
All these take memory you know! And thats without CodePage!
SET SOUND=C:\PROGRA~1\CREATIVE\CTSND
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 E620 T6
SET PATH=C:\WINDOWS;C:\
LH C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\MSCDEX.EXE /D:123
LH C:\MOUSE\MOUSE.EXE
And thats your Autoexec.bat file *sigh* memories. And we had to tweak these for hours on end, moving things from lower into upper, just to get that extra 2k of lower memory, just to run Leisure Suit Larry 1!!
These days, its download and play *sigh* you youngsters never had it so good :p
landofcake
08-06-04, 19:44
I think i began to use computers towards the end of this period ... playing with 386's and 486's was very interesting to say the least , although i never got into much depth with it back then.
Congratulations Lexx
You win the "Most Random Thing Today" award, it consists of a Cookie and sex with any drom you desire.
Well Done....
lol
And damn man, im glad ive only used one of these "new fangled contraptions" we have today, lol or i would be crazy
This is not a random post, but thanks for the cookie!
/e sex :D
Yeah I remember the old days, I miss them. However Windows NT/2000/XP doesnt use autoexec.bat or config.sys anymore. They can still be activated though but you need to edit a file which I dont remember the name of. And Windows 3.11 was the best OS ever and still is, it never crashed and if an application or game crashed all you needed to do was the Ctrl+Alt+Delete and wooooosh, you were back in Windows.
You've been trying to play Elite or Lemmings, haven't you? :p
Best thing to do with 3.11 these days, use RAMDISK to make a 256MB RAMDISK, and setup 3.11 on that, so nanosecond access instead of millisecond :D
Lemmings rocked! So did Prince of Persia 1 & 2, Body Blows, Wolfenstein 3D, Keen 1-(9?) and all the other names I dont remember. Still got my old 500mb disc with all those old games on it :>
ResurgencE
08-06-04, 19:51
I faced the same dilemmas with the config.sys and autoexec.bat files. I used to keep a boot disk everytime something went awry, and my answer to every problem = re-format. Would always operate in dos because none of my games would run in windows.
Im 21 now, which still qualifies me as an alleged youngster, so some of us have been through it as well. ;)
/Edit God i loved Commander Keen.
Crucificio
08-06-04, 19:54
HAHAHA OMG. I have been playing computer games since the 1980's, and this post really really brought back the painful memories of having to tweak my config.sys and autoexec.bat for HOURS just to get a game to work.
I remember thinking that tweaking these files for hours would all be worth it, because when I finally got it to work....this old game was going to rock. LOL. Looking back now, it is one of those fond memories of yester-years.
Windows 3.11 was the best OS ever and still is, it never crashed and if an application or game crashed all you needed to do was the Ctrl+Alt+Delete and wooooosh, you were back in Windows.
:wtf:
It most certainly did crash, lock, freeze, chug, mong and generally suck.
Usually you could bail to DOS though which was sometimes useful.
Yep and after spending 2 hours pulling your hair out to get a config.sys/autoexec that worked, you'd try another programme which would say "ha, no way, your missing stuff from your config sys that should be there!" so you have to fiddle with it again to get stuff to work, or you would load everything it needed, then be told "This programme requires at least 620k free memory" ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
/me dies
I dont know about your Windows but the Windows 3.11 was so stable it never crashed. It even had network technology which was uber :P
HatchetRyda
08-06-04, 19:59
I remember in the ol'e days when I needed 2 floppys to play Card Sharks, and baseball on my computer.
Windows 3.0 > Windows 3.11 < DOS > * :angel:
I dont know about your Windows but the Windows 3.11 was so stable it never crashed. It even had network technology which was uber :P
WFW was just another level of pain. Trust MS to think TCP-IP wasn't important O_o.
ResurgencE
08-06-04, 20:02
"This programme requires at least 620k free memory" ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Christ, i abhorred that.
I had a problem with freeing up extended memory, so i had to prevent my mouse driver from being loaded so that i could play police quest 3. Everytime i wanted to use my pr-24 on the crazy guy charging out of the river in his underwear, i had to use the arrow keys, then just when i was close enough, hold down shift and frantically try to position the cursor right on his noggin.
And then we have todays machines. They're so fast that the game cant keep up, and everytime you start your engine in pq3 your vehicle goes flying off the highway. The only possible solution is a program like dosbox.
Its like you just cant win with Sierra classics. :/
aaah police quest....
the joys of hitting F10 to get the siren going and race trough red lights, only to crash into a car in front of you....
If kids today had rectangles racing over their screen they'd go murder the developper I think :lol:
LoL. I remember those days.
I'm telling you my good Lexx, there is nothing better then playing SOPWITH on my sweet monochrome comodore dude.
30MB Hard drive, sweet as hell.
damn this is a trip down memory lane, i loved screwing up my autoexec.bat/config.sys :D just made me more determined to get it to work next time.
ResurgencE
08-06-04, 21:01
the joys of hitting F10 to get the siren going and race trough red lights, only to crash into a car in front of you....
If kids today had rectangles racing over their screen they'd go murder the developper I think
I honestly think i picked up my coordination skills trying not to hit the other rectangular boxes with my own box.
Loved the entire series, i tell ya. Solved 'em all. Lost interest after the swat series went in a different direction.
Doc Holliday
08-06-04, 21:10
just one question. lexx is your real name david?? just looked at the first post and saw that. i figured u would have some kinda interesting first name to go with your interesting persona......... :p
just one question. lexx is your real name david?? just looked at the first post and saw that. i figured u would have some kinda interesting first name to go with your interesting persona......... :p
Umm... nope, my real name is Orhorth The Destroyer!! Err, well ok yes, thats my name, but dont tell anyone *coff coff*
MjukisDjur
08-06-04, 21:55
I was brought up with 64k memory so I must be a really old bastard then, argh
All you need to worry about these days, is wether or not your video card drivers are upto date ...
blah blah blah
...And we had to tweak these for hours on end, moving things from lower into upper, just to get that extra 2k of lower memory, just to run Leisure Suit Larry 1!!
These days, its download and play *sigh* you youngsters never had it so good :p
was the wheel round then?
I was brought up with 64k memory so I must be a really old bastard then, argh
I started out with 128k speccy of course, though I must admit, I did tinker with the 48k option :p
/edit - actually, was a BBC Micro back in Junior school, must be over 20 years ago O_o
was the wheel round then?
We didnt have wheels back in them days
I was brought up with 64k memory so I must be a really old bastard then, argh
-"I was brought up with even less, had to live in a lake with my Vic 20... bah..64K - luxury" (To recycle that old Monthy Python joke)
it was like:
10 Print "Hello world"
20 Goto 10
Out of memory
Error
I remember playing a "cargame" on a sinclair ZX81, which you had to type the code in for from a magazine (pages and pages of code) and then you could save it to a casette, which would break after about 20 loads :-)
Then i also remember the XT desktop pc, which had a hercules card and then you had to run a simulator program to play games which were ment for color screens (yeah we had those sucky black and green screens back then).
With 8mb hd's thinking "oh they'll NEVER get full" :-)
Oh yeah, i forgot....
One of the coolest adventure games ever.....
Can't even remember the name but it was a scifi text adventure based on a book, where you had to get out of a house before the bulldozer got you, take a bag of peanuts to live throught the "GR ing " to the spaceship and off you went, hours and hours of fun.
And then we had spacequest from sierra and leasure suit larry.... Those were some awesome games for the time.
O_o get over it things change! you starting to sound like your 50.
Heavyporker
09-06-04, 09:58
Get out of house before bulldozer flattens house...
Wasn't that "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"?
Man.... Infocom text games RULE.
I think i got on a pc in late 80s early 90s? .. not sure but it was a 386 ..and it sucked trying to just find games that would work . had to make sure you read the requiments ... .sound card capatible was a touchy thing and your video might end up in 4 colors instead of .. .16!!!! .. .worse yet is when your ad lib compatible sound card didn't work and the sound came in cheap midi sound through your "INTERNAL SPEAKER"!! ewwww that sucker was usually cranked up and was really bleeping high pitched . . .lol. Sometimes trying to get a mouse to register was a pain -_-;;;. And I could never finish long games cause my friend would format his pc over and over again ..
Ooooo the days of extrenal modems .. and logging onto that bbs site called After Dark . .. where the female operator would interupt your porn pic downloading .. err i mean .. downloading pac man clone games and such .. .and try and talk dirty to you .. err okay umm . ...
OOOOOO the days of Sierra! ..
I still have a floppy Disk Drive and some old floppies with games and old writiings and such ;)
how about getting that new game and loading it up on your pc .. that took about an hour cause you had 10 floppy disks to load :D
Copywright protection that was annoying as hell ... what is the 5th word on page 11 sentence 3. or Don't lose that image page that is made so you can't xerox it and have to choose the proper diagram description on program ;)
Copywright protection that was annoying as hell ... what is the 5th word on page 11 sentence 3. or Don't lose that image page that is made so you can't xerox it and have to choose the proper diagram description on program ;)
That's where guys like me came in :)
(and about those images, they could be scanned and twiddled with in photoshop, then printed)
i used amigas over pc.s so much more powerfull and flexiable hell i had 512kb ram base and 1mb with my lurvley 300 quid expansion card and i could do gfx and such even modern pc's struggle with.
(you find a modern pc that can do SMOOTH 64 layer paralax scrolling in planar mode :) they dont exist check out how jerky marquee screen saver is as proof :) )
EDIT: actually my first computer was a vic 20 with its 4k ram but i had the tape drive as well as teh cartridges so all was good :)
Now, I remember when I was a lad, computers had 4MB of memory, if you were rich, and the 128MB was only for companies that could afford the few thousand quid to spend on it.
When disks were spelt with a k on the end, because they were floppy disks, not these new fangled DVD -/+ or CD-Roms, blergh, you have it so easy.
Now I know you're older than me Lexx so I'm confused :p
I remember when there were no floppy disks, and you had to record your data to a casette tape. I remember humming "dum dum da dum dum dum dum da dum da dum" as the wampus ate me and i remember when i had no monitor, just a Texas Instruments "computer" hooked up to my gram's old TV in her spare bedroom :p hehe
fu all.
I remember the wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee naknaknkan n wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee doodddeedooodoo whoo whoooooooooo
neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
*insert shity 1/2 a bit music, followed by uber fred!
Spectrum zx48k > you
I also remember the old gameconsoles that looked like miniature arcade machines, asteroids pwns.
I remember my friend getting a sound blaster. Earlier games had played with a bip or a brrrrrrrrt sound. It was like a new world.
I also remember going down to a mate with atleast 50 floppys to copy quake. Took ages and when you got home, you could be damn sure that atleast 5 disks where corrupt. I was late getting a cd-rom and burner.
And making alot of different bootdisks so you didnt have to change your config.sys and autoexec.bat all the time.
Hey,
About a month or three ago I went to this gaming convention, and they had nothing but the games we are talking about right now.
I can't even remember all the names but those concoles were so awesome.
Playing pong with a friend of mine on this huge ass box with 3 operating buttons.
1 to start or restart, and two little things which you could turn around to move your little peddle.
Now then you had a game where you were playing with triangle cars, and it was meant for two players! And you had to catch eachother, not race, but you had to play catch!
Then there were games such as crossing the street with your duck, I so forgot the name! You could also play soccer games, fun fun, these little fellas were so smart hehe.
Then, I went in to this little room all the way in to bottom, there it was, the XBOX Live and about 10 greedy dudes wackin off on the screen, I then walked back up the stares, told my friends to get ready, and on 3 we all tossed our smoke grenades in there, RUN RUN RUN!
That's where guys like me came in :)
(and about those images, they could be scanned and twiddled with in photoshop, then printed)
you had photoshop then? . ..OMG you were uber!
I also remember the old gameconsoles that looked like miniature arcade machines, asteroids pwns.
OMG Oath .. i remember those .. I had a two player pacman version :D
heck look what i still have http://users3.ev1.net/~amfest/donkeykonghockey.html
i used amigas over pc.s so much more powerfull and flexiable hell i had 512kb ram base and 1mb with my lurvley 300 quid expansion card and i could do gfx and such even modern pc's struggle with.
(you find a modern pc that can do SMOOTH 64 layer paralax scrolling in planar mode :) they dont exist check out how jerky marquee screen saver is as proof :) )
EDIT: actually my first computer was a vic 20 with its 4k ram but i had the tape drive as well as teh cartridges so all was good :)
You can't really use a piece of MS sample code that's gone almost unchanged for 10 years as an example of how to do anything.
I can emulate an Amiga in a few % of my CPU.
Back then though they did rock.
A long time ago.....
Yep I can still remember it. My first piece of junk was a 286 with only 2 FDD Drives and no HDD. But I was able to play Zelliard after a lot of tweaking in Config.sys and Autoexec.bat.....
:D
*rolls on the floor laughing his ass off*
your right *snif* those days... *sigh* ahh let us all go back and play digger on our cga 80x86's :p
hmm how about digger online? :eek:
So, your typical Config.sys =
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS
FILES=30
STACKS=0,0
BUFFERS=20
DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ANSI.SYS
DEVICEHIGH=C:\MTMCDAI.SYS /D:123
Which would load Himem into higher memory, and EMM386, and your CD-Rom!
oh and to add to the uselessness: :p you just loaded himem into conventional memory, and loaded ansi.sys and your cd driver into high memory :p
And god why? ansi.sys loading into a basic config.sys ? ... onoz, I neee333dxzzz thatz memoryz.
Hell I remember asking everyone around if they had different drivers, just so I could found smaller ones, saving up mem and tweaking what to load high and what to load low... good where those days... *sigh* :p
632k free conventional memory was the highest I got after months of work hehe, and thats with cdrom, mouse and extended mem \o/ \o/ \o/
Now I know you're older than me Lexx so I'm confused :p
I remember when there were no floppy disks, and you had to record your data to a casette tape. I remember humming "dum dum da dum dum dum dum da dum da dum" as the wampus ate me and i remember when i had no monitor, just a Texas Instruments "computer" hooked up to my gram's old TV in her spare bedroom :p hehe
Ahh, yah, the Speccy had a tape drive, though the +3 had a basic floppy disk too, which was ub3r. Worst game ever, Outrun, each level you had to load by tape, but if you went right instead of left, you had to fast forward the tape till you found the next course, then listen to the tape noise, now that was uber.
Or buyin Total Recall on the speccy, sitting down, firin up 48k, waiting 10 minutes whilst it loaded up (a bit like Word these days) only for it to crash and you realising it needed to be run in 128 :o
The speccy then evolved into the SAM or something, I really wanted one of they, I never got one though, did get a Dragon (which had far superiour visuals to the speccy and c64 combined) and a MSX, which i never got to work :(
Heavyporker
09-06-04, 14:39
You bitches. How dare you ignore the Infocom text adventures. Zork > Neocron.
Pfft, look on the Leisure Suit Larry CD (mine broke :() you'll find a text adventure, where you have to have sex or something, I tried with the barman, he beat me to death with my own leg, and tried with a hooker, and got atomic clap :eek: 8|
There was another one I tried to play, you were an investigator, and it was paranormal mystery, but as soon as I got on the train to go to Dorset, the game crashed, blooming thing :(
My first PC had a sexy Pentium 1 processor 1.2 Ghz, 8mb Ram and a 1gb Hard drive.
It was so sexy,
I think my 586/686 range started as a P75, AMD100, Cyrix 300, Celeron 500, Celeron 800 (100mhz FSB) upto Athlon XP 2200+ My Cyrix used to pwn with its 4MB S3 Virge DX :D
/edit - the Canopus Pure 3D II had nothing to do with the pwnin :angel:
Heavyporker
09-06-04, 16:23
Pentium 1s had 1.2 ghz??? o_O
Pentium 1s had 1.2 ghz??? o_O
oops!
i meant 120mhz
my bad!
yea lol.
Damn hard to find that boot disk all the time so you could run the games.
And bless that 4 mb ram I bought for 320 dollars 8|
Chucky Egg on my acorn electron
chucky egg, wasnt he made by codemasters, or was that another egg? Ohh, no, that was Dizzy, Dizzy > All :p
Computers have always been easy for those that paid somebody to make it easy for them. It's download and play if thats all you want to do. If you want to tweak graphics, make your drivers work, get a different rpos, and what not, they are as easy to use and you want, and as hard to use as you want. Not to flame, but shove it lexxuk. Also some of us have used Dos prior to windows 3.1, i can' navigate in dos when i have to, but there is no need.
Bred
I remember having to do all that just to play Doom. Of course we would transfer Doom itself (~30Mb iirc) over a serial cable connection - and that took hours :lol: All for a multiplayer experience with only two pcs.. Then we invested in a 10Mb lan. We were amazed at the speeds! And with four players!
Just imagine what will be going on in another 5-10 years.. perhaps laggy mmos will be a thing of the past ;)
PS: yes we were poor students at the time :p
hey lexx mate how is it going
any way who you calling a youngster bet you cant rember the spectrum 48k lol
my first pc a
486 50mhz
240mb hardrive
4mb ram
2mb video card
cd drive 4x lol
and a f***ing huge case
i played mega race which i though was assome and then dune 2 although by then i had gone for a dx100
with 16mb ram and a 4mb 3d video card s3 virge to be precise with a 14"monitor lol anyone use a lower spec machine than that pc wise
i rember i had to use memmmaker to get enought of my 640k to run a game
or even add lines ot the autoexec file to do it
and edit the config file
but i tell ya what even though the dos 6.22 manual was the size of a computer case back then i sure as hell didnt have as many problems as i do now lol
I dont know about your Windows but the Windows 3.11 was so stable it never crashed. It even had network technology which was uber :P
I take it all you did was play solitare then :D:D
3.11 sucked ass imo was slow, crashed and was annoying !!!
QuantumDelta
09-06-04, 21:21
80086.
80286 (12mhz clock speed, 1.44 mb ram).
P2 350.
AMD Athlon 1Ghz.
AMD Athlon 2200+ XP.
AMD Athlon 3000+ XP.
Yes, I'm a youngster.
First Gaming experience was on an Amiga 600, awesome machine. Then, 2 machines, each 90Mhz, 4 MB RAM, over LAN playin C&C: tiberian sun.
Then 450Mhz, 64MB RAM
Then my current rig, 1.9Ghz, 512MB RAM, etc etc
Although I do have somewhere an old Atari 2600 (if anybody knows what that is) with a couple of games (space invaders, asteroids, pong, etc), that I used to play on for hours an hours as a young child.
Damn autoexec.bat and config.sys - lots of boot up discs for various occasions
And if you had a 386sx then 486 dx2 woot u were in business
21 meg hard drives
Falcon 3.0 on about 15 discs
Leisure Suit Larry
Wolf 3d
Buyind PC Format about the only games / serious mag out there
The old days :)
Amiga 600? Pfft. A500+ here. :D
First would have been a BBC though.
Moved up to a P120, my first PC, after several years, never got a 3D card for it but it still runs. I used to play Red Alert on it a lot, is that what you mean Ormy? Tib Sun came fairly recently by this thread. :p
Yes i meant Tib sun, I'm only 15, but i know my C&C games :rolleyes:
I'm way to young to know anything about this autoexec/config.sys stuff tho
Now, I remember when I was a lad, computers had 4MB of memory, if you were rich, and the 128MB was only for companies that could afford the few thousand quid to spend on it.
Even then you had it easy ... back in my early days you were happy to have 4K of "core" memory in your big laboratory computer, not 4MB. I kid you not. I learned how to program by toggling in binary code using switches. My first program was a space war game that displayed on a little black and white 4 inch by 4 inch cathode ray tube and you used potentiometer dials to control the ships. The primary i/o device was an ASR/KSR Teletype that could read and punch paper tape, with holes punched into the paper tape being the stored program. Listings came out on a spooled continuous-feed paper roll built into the Teletype behind its keyboard section; Teletypes basically look like, and sort of act like, big ugly typewriters with paper tape reader/punch attachments. Heh ... "real programmers" remember the days of paper tape (not punched cards or various forms of magnetic tape). ;)
Of course now we'll have to hear from some guy who used one of those room filling monster size computers from the 1950s who was tickled to have even half a K of memory.
Spook @ Pluto
Not to flame, but shove it lexxuk. Also some of us have used Dos prior to windows 3.1, i can' navigate in dos when i have to, but there is no need.
Bred
I was using an Amstrad 8088, with 2 5 1/2" FDD's, and no hard drive, which meant having to use a boot disk just to start the thing up, then having to set prompt and the date, so aye, I was using DOS long before I ever touched Windows, with my first "PC" being weird machines with green screens that you couldnt turn on at once because the server couldnt cope.
I still use DOS, there are a few things you can only do via DOS from a base system, like copying all files of a certain extension, I also play with Linux for fun, so the CLI there is a must have (its also used on my ISP's CGI Shell account, so I need to know the CLI stuff there too)
any way who you calling a youngster bet you cant rember the spectrum 48k lol
ZX81 pwnz0rs, they had one for sale down the local store recently, but I decided not to buy it :p
First Gaming experience was on an Amiga 600, awesome machine.
Try Amiga In A Box, emulates the A600 on a PC, I went the ST Route myself, think I had a whole meg of RAM in that baby :D
First would have been a BBC though.
Ditto, had some weird game they forced us to play, where you had to solve puzzles to progress, being like 6 years old with 2 jugs of different sizes, trying to get X water into jug Y, sucked, so got the teacher and he couldnt do it without looking in the solutions manual hehehe
/edit @ Above - my teacher in Plymouth used to work with those machines that did that tape stuff, or bits of card with holes in it, so I've seen one, would hate to have to use one :D
Im only 18, but i remember messing with autoexe and config.sys
I used to use 3.11 as well
and i had a Speccy with 128K mem :o
AND a Dragon with Mansion of Doom. Classic game.
Ditto, had some weird game they forced us to play, where you had to solve puzzles to progress, being like 6 years old with 2 jugs of different sizes, trying to get X water into jug Y, sucked, so got the teacher and he couldnt do it without looking in the solutions manual hehehe
Lol I remember those. The ones we had took 5 minutes just to load up a teletext picture, then you press x to go through a door and wait another 5 minutes to load up the next teletext picture. :p
moved to > moan forum> haha lol just kidding . yea im 14 and ive got it piss easy and i laugh at the foools at skool and shit that think they are depressed etc at skool . and i respect my elders .....THNE KICK EM IN DA BALLS MUAHAHHAHAAHAHAH.....oops did i say that outloud??
i can't log in so im spamming forums wweeee
you had photoshop then? . ..OMG you were uber!
Considering that the photoshop bit was regarding a piece of paper, and the first statement was about removeing protection from code - yes i was, and some people will never experience that first era of learning computers because it's gone. Now it's all friggin' MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solitaire Expert) and people go "i'm l33t" - Wrong, you're just another tech with mediocre skills.
Crucificio
10-06-04, 10:13
Hahaha I remember saving data onto key-punch cards LOL. Then I remember upgrading to a Radio Shack TRS-80 that has NO hard-drive (and DOS was the OS of the day). You had to save everything to a cassette tape or a 5 1/4" floppy. If the power went out and you got a power surge/spike you were screwed. Ah the good old days.
I'm a youngster still, not even of age of majority, and I still remember my first PC with 2MB of RAM and no math co-processor. I remember my 2400 baud modem on the local freenet and surfing with telnet.
And the whole young have it easy rhetoric is so stupid anyway. I'm sure there's some 100 year old elderly folks that could tell you how easy you have it with modern motorized vehicles and information technology today :rolleyes:
The days of making a different DOS bootdisk for each game to get the right memory setup.
Getting a game working came with a certain sense of satisfaction :)
Now its all too easy.
Amiga 600? Pfft. A500+ here. :D
lol young'uns
started with an
A1000 desktop
then got a
A500
then a A2000
then to a A3000+
then ended on a A4000 040 but thats not got a 604ppc and a 060 in it :)
and damn its still faster than my fking 3ghz pc boot to OS is under 2 seconds !!
Original monk
10-06-04, 14:50
cool, i found a thread that isnt locked :)
i had all my games on tapes, stupid games but it was fun :)
when ya put that tape in the stereo ya got weird bleeping sounds 8|
my first computer was a console the size of a playstation where ya could play pling plong on ... and only pling plong LOL
second one was a commodore 64, then a 128 :P (with floppy's the size of a record) making little calculaterprograms in basic and stuff :P real fun
my niece had a mac, it was waaay cooler then wordperfect, it had windows in it that if ya clicked on it ya got to see the maps and all, it was heaven :) no more black screen and green text :P
even a small paintlike program :)
it where fun times :) and my auntie learned me how to type and stuff :D
The first real computer I owned was a BBC B but we had a few other odd things around before that because my father worked for ICL and one of it's precursors I can never remember the name of. When I was about 10 he started me on 6502 Assembler because he didn't see the point in all these new fangled high-level languages.
If you think config.sys was fun - I remember soldering in my RAM upgrades and upgrading my OS by soldering in new ROMs. Anyone else remember sideways RAM?
After that I/we had all sorts of GEM (PC1512 was top) and PC based systems, and some more Acorns (partly because they were what we used at school and partly for Elite :) ).
If you are in the UK and interested in seeing all these old machines go to the cryptography museum at Bletchley Park. They have a great collection of old computers there from collaters and sorters onwards. They also now have a working Elliot, thanks to my father who vanished inside it like a rat up a drainpipe when I took him there.
edit - memory upgrade old skool (http://www.swattons.freeserve.co.uk/brian/bbc/swram.htm).
Original monk
10-06-04, 15:29
I remember soldering in my RAM upgrades and upgrading my OS by soldering in new ROMs.
i still solder in my new ram, isnt that the ideal way then ? :D
i still solder in my new ram, isnt that the ideal way then ? :D
Nah, these days a few taps from a hammer is all you need.
Dude, i never tap in my ram, it's too delicate near those vacuum tubes :-)
Dude, i never tap in my ram, it's too delicate near those vacuum tubes :-)
That and it scares the hamsters inside the PSU :p
"My first game was on my mates brand new Vic-20. We debated a while as to whether it was better than my other mates BBC Micro modelA, but since he was upgrading to a model B, we were unsure.
Then one day I got a C-64 which came with a tape drive and a 5 and quarter inch floppy disc drive. That was it, since I was the only person with a floopy disc drive plus a whopping 64kB of memory, I won hands down. "
Orig.Monk, I had a c-128 as well! Same as the c64 really but could flip into some odd O/S, too long ago really.
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