Ok so I take back what I said about *********-O-L... its shit and so are their support... I need to know is Neocron running on a Peer2Peer type connection?
If so I could lose access to my internet, or even go to jail... this is a joke...
I've used programs to ping the neocron server and i find packet loss but if i ping the nodes that "give packet loss" through CMD, I don't get any packet loss.
So if this indeed the problem (that my ISP has blocked peer2peer programs) looks like I've quite for good. Too much hassle to change ISP and all ISP's will eventually enforce this I bet.
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22-02-08, 00:25 #1Just-a-Joe
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22-02-08, 03:48 #2I want longer stealth :(
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Nah, NC ain't p2p.
You must be having a bad day. AOL may be shit in some respects, but I know that Nobby uses AOL and sings its praises and he has no problems with NC.
Try again tomorrow. I had to do that with Tiscali all the time
Next time we go to war, that's us fucked then
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22-02-08, 08:12 #3Banned User
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Problem is, you never know when these problems will end. Mine are going on for 6 months now maybe more...
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22-02-08, 12:22 #4Slaving over Sony Vegas
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You can't go to jail in the UK for just using a peer-to-peer application. AOL may be narrowbminded bastards and ban you from using it on their services, but that doesn't make it an arrestable offence.
The problem I understand that NC has is that the main packet type it uses (UDP) is apparently less reliable than TCP packets (I don't understand that much networking, but so I am told). Now, when ISPs start monkeying around with traffic (as AOL have as long as they have existed - hell, do you still have to run their special program on your PC to even be allowed online?), this tends to upset certain packet types that aren't being targeted, or software that relies on things arriving quickly etc... - NC it's pretty obvious because of it's sensitivity to net issues is obviously one of these.
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22-02-08, 13:07 #5Huckle Beare'
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UDP is where information is needed to be sent back and forth quickly over a network where speed is the issue. Tcp sends back each packet for verification that its correct. it takes longer but is more accurate.
(im studying for my mcse at the mo :P)
Nec if its that bad get your mac code if you need it from AOL and get the hell out. there are other ISPs out there. try bt for example or one of the ones mentioned in the other thread.______________________________________________________________________________________
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22-02-08, 14:12 #6Just-a-Joe
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My understanding is that UDP throws the packets at the server IP and hopes it receives them, where as TCP counts the packets, and verifys them. But TCP is slower due to the counting and security... Originally Posted by CMaster
(what Doc pretty much said)
But AOL thinks that Neocron is p2p software, and "If I escalate the problem, My service will be ended with them". They are ******************ed, Grrrr it angers me. Not being funny but their understanding of "packets" are chunks of songs sent through p2p programs.
I was 95% sure NC wasn't "p2p", so atleast I can ring them up and have a good argument about it now... although I dunno if I can be arsed
Anyway, this problem started 3 days ago, only today have I bothered to lose 3 months worth of programs, games, drivers etc So lets see what happens, Hopefull this problem is from me being a ****************** and jumping to conclusions...
At least I have "Zee Radio" to keep me entertained until I download enough windows updates to use MSN again...
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22-02-08, 14:32 #7Huckle Beare'
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tell them to give you your mac id and just move over to a new supplier. it will be worth it in the long run.
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22-02-08, 15:14 #8Hand me a gun and ask me again
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...and it is now illegal for an ISP in Britain to refuse to give you the mac id in order to move to another ISP so long as you have fulfilled your contractual oblications.
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22-02-08, 22:11 #9Spermy made my hands messy :'(
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Replace your ISP, ISPs that filter trafic are a bunch of cunts, period. Originally Posted by Necpock
specially AOL :P
Neocron is not Peer2Peer software by any crazyperson stretch, its a mmorpg, its the same thing as them blocking WoW.
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Because you prefer it from behind?
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22-02-08, 23:10 #10Registered User
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it ain't hard for the wankers to google neocron either....
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23-02-08, 08:06 #11Banned User
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I never understood why on earth should the end consumer be obliged to enter very specific tech matters in order to bail out from a bad ISP/service. Originally Posted by zii
The end consumer should simply issue a request of canceling the contract with one and starting it again with the other. In fact this is how things are done in Greece, and we were never held hostages by any company ever. On the other hand, dslam ports in Greece can only be given by our national Telco. How things are done in Britain? Do you have a central comittee that acts as a mediator between consumers and companies?
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23-02-08, 11:36 #12Registered User
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Because Mr Jini. It keeps the customer from bothering.
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23-02-08, 12:04 #13Registered User
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Sorry if asking for a number is technical... Originally Posted by jini
Its just like asking for your phone number, it identifies your adsl activation.
Its nothing technical in the eye of a user, and with multiple adsl providers its so people cant jump from a 12 month contract 2 months in
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23-02-08, 12:04 #14Just-a-Joe
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I think all ISP's think your a complete noob to computers and are over 70 with no clue. Every time I ring them, they tell me to delete my cache and cookies step by step.
They also said that if I take the matter further, In their eyes NC is p2p and they will remove me from my subscription... Are they ******************ed? No one wants to know... Ive emailed 3 different emails to my ISP about this and rung them up now countless times.
I can't move ISP due to problems at home.. Infact I'm lucky that I have a connection atleast...
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23-02-08, 15:42 #15Banned User
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Well, mac address is very technical I think. It's not exactly the number that you put on your bus. cards like a phone number. Originally Posted by Voodoo_Magic
Second, there are other ways to make you honour your contract. Also this is why I ALLWAYS avoid long term contracts with traders. Because most times, their bait is low price, but also a lousy service, so they got you in the trap and they dont offer you anything.
In my eyes there should be a way of bailing out, because in the end its all about the cash, and not blackmailing you by keeping mac addresses and the like, which is why UK courts took this right decision.
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